President Barack Obama - Term 1 and 2 Thread

[fredinator]

There is some truth to what you say but this is not a new problem. The Republicans have been in charge for the last 8 years; why the microscope over ACORN now? The biggest and best news remains what's happening in the recovery.

[Eric]

There is some truth to what you say but this is not a new problem. The Republicans have been in charge for the last 8 years; why the microscope over ACORN now? The biggest and best news remains what's happening in the recovery.

10% unemployment

Republicans haven't been in charge since 2006

[Ehwmatt]

Recession 'Very Likely Over,' Bernanke Says
Retail Sales Gains Extend Beyond Autos
Bernanke Says U.S. Economy On Verge Of Recovery

These are the real stories; ACORN is now getting heavy scrutiny as it should if it broke laws... Small potatoes compared to what's happening in the economy.

Do you mental midgets really believe the economy is on some miracle recovery... there are NO jobs! Not yet anyway. Banking, auto, and finance industries are all far from solvent or self-reliant, for the most part. Don't even get me started on cash for clunkers... have dealers even been paid in full yet?

[RedWingFan]

Prosecute ACORN and then immediately dismantle ACORN.

Please don't try to tie Obama into ACORN and it's few asshole apples.

Grow the fuck up FF.

Dean, Can I ask you a serious, honest, man-to-man question here?

If all this was uncovered during the primary when Obama was running against Hillary, would you still have the same opinion?

[JrnyScarab]

OH. What's This! McCain was chumming around with ACORN as well! This from "The Silent Patriot" in Oct 2008:

"The beleaguered Democratic-leaning community group Acorn sends over this photograph: John McCain, in March of 2006, sitting beside Florida Rep. Kendrick Meek at an event Acorn co-sponsored in Florida.

The immigration event, which other photos show was packed with red-shirted Acorn member, was co-sponsored by the local Catholic Archdiocese, the SEIU, and other groups.

McCain, still spiting much of his party on immigration at the time, was the headliner.

Bertha Lewis, Acorn's chief organizer, said in a statement that came with the photo, “It has deeply saddened us to see Senator McCain abandon his historic support for ACORN and our efforts to support the goals of low-income Americans."

”We are sure that the extremists he is trying to get into a froth will be even more excited to learn that John McCain stood shoulder to shoulder with ACORN, at an ACORN co-sponsored event, to promote immigration reform," she said."


STOP TRYING TO PORTRAY THIS AS AN OBAMA ONLY ISSUE. TYPICAL RIGHT WING EXTREMESTS. ACORN HAS DONE WRONG BUT STOP WITH THE GUILT BY ASSOCIATION CRAP. YOUR BOY McCAIN WAS HANGING OUT AS WELL AND THIS WAS ALSO SPONSORED BY THE CATHOLIC ARCHDIOCESE. GUESS THEY ARE SOCIALISTS TOO.

There is enough corruption to go around with both parties. I'm sick of all the Obama bashing.

[RedWingFan]

OH. What's This! McCain was chumming around with ACORN as well! This from "The Silent Patriot" in Oct 2008:

"The beleaguered Democratic-leaning community group Acorn sends over this photograph: John McCain, in March of 2006, sitting beside Florida Rep. Kendrick Meek at an event Acorn co-sponsored in Florida.

The immigration event, which other photos show was packed with red-shirted Acorn member, was co-sponsored by the local Catholic Archdiocese, the SEIU, and other groups.

McCain, still spiting much of his party on immigration at the time, was the headliner.

Bertha Lewis, Acorn's chief organizer, said in a statement that came with the photo, “It has deeply saddened us to see Senator McCain abandon his historic support for ACORN and our efforts to support the goals of low-income Americans."

”We are sure that the extremists he is trying to get into a froth will be even more excited to learn that John McCain stood shoulder to shoulder with ACORN, at an ACORN co-sponsored event, to promote immigration reform," she said."


STOP TRYING TO PORTRAY THIS AS AN OBAMA ONLY ISSUE. TYPICAL RIGHT WING EXTREMESTS. ACORN HAS DONE WRONG BUT STOP WITH THE GUILT BY ASSOCIATION CRAP. YOUR BOY McCAIN WAS HANGING OUT AS WELL AND THIS WAS ALSO SPONSORED BY THE CATHOLIC ARCHDIOCESE. GUESS THEY ARE SOCIALISTS TOO.

There is enough corruption to go around with both parties. I'm sick of all the Obama bashing.

Yeah, McCain is such a fighter for the conservative movement!!! McCain attending an event trolling for votes, equates to Obama working for and espousing the virtues of ACORN??? Pathetic argument!!! The Bamster's going to have to continue to wear ACORN around his neck....sorry!!!

[JrnyScarab]

I'm sick of all the Obama bashing.

Get used to it. What goes around comes around.

Sorry, but I wasn't into the relentless Bush bashing. Seems like schoolyard taunting.

[JrnyScarab]

I'm sick of all the Obama bashing.

Get used to it. What goes around comes around.

Sorry, but I wasn't into the relentless Bush bashing. Seems like schoolyard taunting.

It's really a bloodsport.

I can tell you it's a bloodsport at work for sure. I'd chime in more here but by the time I get home from work I'm worn out from the endless debates there!

[JrnyScarab]

Asked for the first time today about the infamous ACORN footage, White House press secretary Robert Gibbs called the conduct of some of the organization's employees "indefensible."

"The administration takes accountability extremely seriously," he said. The U.S. Census Bureau's decision to sever ties to the group reflects that, he added, with their view that the group "could not meet the bureau's goal of achieving a fair and accurate count in 2010."

Gibbs would not say, however, whether President Obama would, as the leader of the Democratic Party, urge the DNC and other campaign committees to sever ties to the group...

I'd say sever the ties. My only concern was if these were just a bunch of bozos within the group and not the big picture. Kind of like the videos of some of the retards at Burger King putting snots in the burgers or something like that. Does that make Burger King bad or just some of the idiots who work for them.

[RedWingFan]

Asked for the first time today about the infamous ACORN footage, White House press secretary Robert Gibbs called the conduct of some of the organization's employees "indefensible."

"The administration takes accountability extremely seriously," he said. The U.S. Census Bureau's decision to sever ties to the group reflects that, he added, with their view that the group "could not meet the bureau's goal of achieving a fair and accurate count in 2010."

Gibbs would not say, however, whether President Obama would, as the leader of the Democratic Party, urge the DNC and other campaign committees to sever ties to the group...

I'd say sever the ties. My only concern was if these were just a bunch of bozos within the group and not the big picture. Kind of like the videos of some of the retards at Burger King putting snots in the burgers or something like that. Does that make Burger King bad or just some of the idiots who work for them.

ACORN is a criminal organization....not just because of these videos but also because of their past voter fraud convictions.
If you want to "have it your way", ACORN is to crime what Burger King is to burgers!!! And Obama cut his teeth in the criminal organization!!!

[Lula]

i'm sure there are still some good people in the organization. maybe it got too big and became conducive for scum to thrive. as i said earlier- time to dissolve the organization. it is sad when the bad can drag the good with them.

[JrnyScarab]

Asked for the first time today about the infamous ACORN footage, White House press secretary Robert Gibbs called the conduct of some of the organization's employees "indefensible."

"The administration takes accountability extremely seriously," he said. The U.S. Census Bureau's decision to sever ties to the group reflects that, he added, with their view that the group "could not meet the bureau's goal of achieving a fair and accurate count in 2010."

Gibbs would not say, however, whether President Obama would, as the leader of the Democratic Party, urge the DNC and other campaign committees to sever ties to the group...

I'd say sever the ties. My only concern was if these were just a bunch of bozos within the group and not the big picture. Kind of like the videos of some of the retards at Burger King putting snots in the burgers or something like that. Does that make Burger King bad or just some of the idiots who work for them.

ACORN is a criminal organization....not just because of these videos but also because of their past voter fraud convictions.
If you want to "have it your way", ACORN is to crime what Burger King is to burgers!!! And Obama cut his teeth in the criminal organization!!!

Looked this up on a GOP blog: "to date some 70 Acorn employees in 12 states have been convicted of voter registration fraud". Sounds bad, but there are 400,000 Acorn members. Not exactly a large percentage of bad there (1/100th of 1%). I say don't give them another dime until a criminal investigation is done on the organization itself. Then, let the chips fall where they may.

[RedWingFan]

ACORN is a criminal organization....not just because of these videos but also because of their past voter fraud convictions.
If you want to "have it your way", ACORN is to crime what Burger King is to burgers!!! And Obama cut his teeth in the criminal organization!!!

Looked this up on a GOP blog: "to date some 70 Acorn employees in 12 states have been convicted of voter registration fraud". Sounds bad, but there are 400,000 Acorn members. Not exactly a large percentage of bad there (1/100th of 1%). I say don't give them another dime until a criminal investigation is done on the organization itself. Then, let the chips fall where they may.

Remember, that's all THAT GOT CONVICTED!!! That doesn't include pending trials, the crime's committed in these videos or those who have gotten away with their criminal activities altogether!!!

[JrnyScarab]

ACORN is a criminal organization....not just because of these videos but also because of their past voter fraud convictions.
If you want to "have it your way", ACORN is to crime what Burger King is to burgers!!! And Obama cut his teeth in the criminal organization!!!

Looked this up on a GOP blog: "to date some 70 Acorn employees in 12 states have been convicted of voter registration fraud". Sounds bad, but there are 400,000 Acorn members. Not exactly a large percentage of bad there (1/100th of 1%). I say don't give them another dime until a criminal investigation is done on the organization itself. Then, let the chips fall where they may.

Remember, that's all THAT GOT CONVICTED!!! That doesn't include pending trials, the crime's committed in these videos or those who have gotten away with their criminal activities altogether!!!

That's true but like I said, let's have a full investigation of the organization. This will better tell us if this is systemic within the group or not. If so, kill em dead.

[RedWingFan]

ACORN is a criminal organization....not just because of these videos but also because of their past voter fraud convictions.
If you want to "have it your way", ACORN is to crime what Burger King is to burgers!!! And Obama cut his teeth in the criminal organization!!!

Looked this up on a GOP blog: "to date some 70 Acorn employees in 12 states have been convicted of voter registration fraud". Sounds bad, but there are 400,000 Acorn members. Not exactly a large percentage of bad there (1/100th of 1%). I say don't give them another dime until a criminal investigation is done on the organization itself. Then, let the chips fall where they may.

Remember, that's all THAT GOT CONVICTED!!! That doesn't include pending trials, the crime's committed in these videos or those who have gotten away with their criminal activities altogether!!!

That's true but like I said, let's have a full investigation of the organization. This will better tell us if this is systemic within the group or not. If so, kill em dead.

Yeah, you're right. We do need a full investigation by an independent entity that's not tied to ACORN.....that rules out the U.S. Government!!!! Maybe we can hire the Brits to do it!!!

[Enigma869]

Carter breaks out the race card! This buffoon oughta keep his mouth shut and let us all remember him as an economically illiterate president


Hate to keep breakin this out, but hey, don't shoot the messenger

Let me first state for the record that W. is the only reason that Jimmy Carter wasn't the worst president of my lifetime. That said, I saw some interviews with him and during one of them, he said that racism was "alive and well in the south". Considering that he is a born and bred southerner, he's entitled to an opinion. Something else that further cements his point are the objective numbers from the election. 43% of whites across the country voted for Obama. In Louisiana, 14% of whites voted for Obama. In Mississippi, a whopping 11% of whites voted for Obama, while in Alabama only 10% of whites voted for Obama. I tend to agree with Carter...racism is alive and well in this country and in certain parts of this country, it's a badge of honor. Having said all of that, I think it's fucking absurd to accuse people of being racist for no other reason, other than they don't agree with the policies of Barack Obama. People disagree with the policies of EVERY president, regardless of the color of his skin. If you're going to be arrogant enough to seek the highest office in the land, you better have some REALLY thick skin!

[Ehwmatt]

Let me first state for the record that W. is the only reason that Jimmy Carter wasn't the worst president of my lifetime. That said, I saw some interviews with him and during one of them, he said that racism was "alive and well in the south". Considering that he is a born and bred southerner, he's entitled to an opinion. Something else that further cements his point are the objective numbers from the election. 43% of whites across the country voted for Obama. In Louisiana, 14% of whites voted for Obama. In Mississippi, a whopping 11% of whites voted for Obama, while in Alabama only 10% of whites voted for Obama. I tend to agree with Carter...racism is alive and well in this country and in certain parts of this country, it's a badge of honor. Having said all of that, I think it's fucking absurd to accuse people of being racist for no other reason, other than they don't agree with the policies of Barack Obama. People disagree with the policies of EVERY president, regardless of the color of his skin. If you're going to be arrogant enough to seek the highest office in the land, you better have some REALLY thick skin!

Exactly my point, wow, we agree again.

[RedWingFan]

...43% of whites across the country voted for Obama. In Louisiana, 14% of whites voted for Obama. In Mississippi, a whopping 11% of whites voted for Obama, while in Alabama only 10% of whites voted for Obama.

I'd guess that whites in these states aren't too keen on "gov't run health care" or the rest of the Bamster's socialist agenda.
I think these percentages of whites in these same states would look pretty similiar to what John Kerry got in 2004.

[JrnyScarab]

I'd guess that whites in these states aren't too keen on "gov't run health care" or the rest of the Bamster's socialist agenda.

Don't forget, some of the biggest socialism going on now and including the end of Bush's term is the money spent propping up Wall Street Bankers. Some capitalism! I'd love to have a company that made profits when times are good and have the taxpayers cover my losses when times are bad. Mega socialism right there! Just not for us working stiffs. We get butt-fucked as usual. Oh, and while those banks are at it stealing our money they are raising interest rates on credit cards to cover more losses. We just can't win.

[Ehwmatt]

...43% of whites across the country voted for Obama. In Louisiana, 14% of whites voted for Obama. In Mississippi, a whopping 11% of whites voted for Obama, while in Alabama only 10% of whites voted for Obama.

I'd guess that whites in these states aren't too keen on "gov't run health care" or the rest of the Bamster's socialist agenda.
I think these percentages of whites in these same states would look pretty similiar to what John Kerry got in 2004.

Without going and looking at the numbers for recent Democratic candidates in those states, I won't deny that racism has something to do with those numbers this time around... but I suspect the racism only made it easier to disagree with his agenda for many.

[RedWingFan]

I'd guess that whites in these states aren't too keen on "gov't run health care" or the rest of the Bamster's socialist agenda.

Don't forget, some of the biggest socialism going on now and including the end of Bush's term is the money spent propping up Wall Street Bankers. Some capitalism! I'd love to have a company that made profits when times are good and have the taxpayers cover my losses when times are bad. Mega socialism right there! Just not for us working stiffs. We get butt-fucked as usual. Oh, and while those banks are at it stealing our money they are raising interest rates on credit cards to cover more losses. We just can't win.

You're absolutely right! None of the bailouts should have happened! Though to Bushs' credit he did campaign as a "compassionate conservative"...compassionate as in "Throw other people's money at the problem". We conservatives had to take the good with the bad.

My problem with Obama is, he's doubling down on a losing hand...with our money!

[RedWingFan]

...43% of whites across the country voted for Obama. In Louisiana, 14% of whites voted for Obama. In Mississippi, a whopping 11% of whites voted for Obama, while in Alabama only 10% of whites voted for Obama.

I'd guess that whites in these states aren't too keen on "gov't run health care" or the rest of the Bamster's socialist agenda.
I think these percentages of whites in these same states would look pretty similiar to what John Kerry got in 2004.

Without going and looking at the numbers for recent Democratic candidates in those states, I won't deny that racism has something to do with those numbers this time around... but I suspect the racism only made it easier to disagree with his agenda for many.

How can you make that statement without knowing if the #'s are the same, or if Kerry got a lower %?

[Ehwmatt]

...43% of whites across the country voted for Obama. In Louisiana, 14% of whites voted for Obama. In Mississippi, a whopping 11% of whites voted for Obama, while in Alabama only 10% of whites voted for Obama.

I'd guess that whites in these states aren't too keen on "gov't run health care" or the rest of the Bamster's socialist agenda.
I think these percentages of whites in these same states would look pretty similiar to what John Kerry got in 2004.

Without going and looking at the numbers for recent Democratic candidates in those states, I won't deny that racism has something to do with those numbers this time around... but I suspect the racism only made it easier to disagree with his agenda for many.

How can you make that statement without knowing if the #'s are the same, or if Kerry got a lower %?

Cause I'm too lazy to look it up Too fuckin tired to go look at some demographic chart or figures right now.

You can feel free to if you like. I'm gonna guess that's lower than past Democratic candidates. I'd be real interested in seeing what, say, Slick Willy got in 92 from whites in the same states... that was another realigning election of sorts. If you've been following my posts lately you know what side of the fence I'm on on the racism issue... but still.

[yak]

For what it's worth:


ACORN drops tarnished name and moves to silence critics. NEW NAME = COI

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-blo ... 9896/posts

Association of Community Organizers for Reform Now (ACORN) leaders are using the threat of a law suit to silence and intimidate critics, according to current and former members of the liberal activist group.

In a letter dated June 11 an attorney for ACORN advised top whistleblowers that their unauthorized use of the organization’s name could make them liable for monetary damages and injunctive relief.

ACORN executives have also changed their organization’s name, which was tarnished by investigations in at least 14 states of allegations of voter registration fraud during the 2008 presidential campaign, and charges by current and former members of financial mismanagement and misrepresentation.

The new name will let ACORN leaders continue their operations without worrying about prior bad publicity, according to Marcel Reid of ACORN 8, a group of present and former members.

“We’ve known for many months now that the name ACORN is going to be retired,” Reid said. “The name has been so damaged to the point where the leadership knows it simply can’t go on as it has with the ACORN label out front and center, especially after all of the reporting.”

In fact, the process has already begun, she noted. Wade Rathke, who founded the organization, announced on his blog that ACORN International has officially changed its name to “Community Organizations International.”

Reid also said ACORN is in the process of dismantling Citizen’s Consulting Inc. (CCI), a New-Orleans based non-profit, which has been used to maintain centralized financial control, ACORN 8 activists claim. Tax records show that CCI is interlinked with several ACORN affiliates.

Dale Rathke, the brother of ACORN founder Wade Rathke, embezzled almost $1 million from the organization in 1999 and 2000, while he was employed as the organization’s chief financial officer with the CCI affiliate.

For almost a decade Wade Rathke and other staff members concealed the embezzlement from ACORN’s board of trustees, according to the criminal complaint ACORN 8 members filed against the organization.

ACORN’s national leaders withdrew a lawsuit Reid filed with fellow board member Karen Inman last October seeking access to internal financial records. Reid and Inman were also expelled from their board positions; a move they say was illegal. Reid and Inman then came together with six other colleagues to form ACORN 8. “ACORN has to be decapitated,” Reid said. “The senior staff and current national board should be dismantled.

The only way to have reform is for the current leadership to be removed completely. We also need a forensic audit.”

Arthur Schwartz, the general counsel for ACORN, has sent a “cease and desist” letter to Reid and Inman instructing them to discontinue using the name ACORN in a connection with their activities. This same letter threatens legal action if the ACORN 8 members do not provide written assurances that they will comply with this demand by the end of June.

“It is a violation of federal and state law for you to use the ACORN name and mark without the written permission of ACORN,” the letter states. “Should you continue to do so, you will be liable for monetary and injunctive relief.”

Reid told The Examiner that ACORN 8 will not comply. “We have no intention of not using the name ACORN 8, it is not a trademark infringement,” she said. “This get tough attitude is part of larger attempt to silence people and shut them down. We are not going to be silenced.”

Meanwhile, ACORN’s Project Vote affiliate has filed suit against Anita MonCrief, a former employee, who has testified under oath on voter registration allegations. ACORN is currently under investigation in at least 14 states for electoral irregularities. The Project Vote suit claims that Anita MonCrief and an unidentified accomplice gained access into private e-mails from group executives and stole the group’s name without permission. It also accuses Moncrief of using a company credit card for her own purposes.

“ACORN is attempting to silence me, and the allegations in the lawsuit are false,” MonCrief said in statement emailed to The Examiner.

ACORN 8 has released its own statement on “whistleblower retaliation” through its national spokesman Michael McCray that expresses support for new protective legislation.

“On behalf of the national board of ACORN 8, we are all saddened by and express great concern due to ACORN’s court action filed against whistleblower Anita MonCrief,” the statement reads. “While we do not express an opinion on the merits of ACORN’s complaint; we as reform advocates decry the tactic of suing whistleblowers – especially, low to moderate income people who do not have the financial means to effectively fight back in courts of law. Moreover, this is yet another example of why congress must enact strong corporate, government and tax-payer funded whistleblower protection laws.”

ACORN 8 has endorsed H.R. 1507, the Whistleblower Protection Enhancement Act of 2009.

[Enigma869]

How can you make that statement without knowing if the #'s are the same, or if Kerry got a lower %?

I actually attempted to look up the white vote for Kerry during the 2004 election, because I was curious but couldn't track down the demographic breakdown. I am VERY confident that there is absolutely, positively, ZERO chance the Kerry's caucasian vote was as low as Obama's. I'd bet my life on that. Basic common sense dictates that isn't the case. The fact that Kerry was from one of the most liberal states in the country guarantees that he's not winning any bible belt states. He lost all of those states handily (which is no surprise), but I'm still confident it was that divided across racial lines.

[RedWingFan]

For what it's worth:


ACORN drops tarnished name and moves to silence critics. NEW NAME = COI

Same reason liberals have tried to call themselves "progressives".

[yak]

For what it's worth:


ACORN drops tarnished name and moves to silence critics. NEW NAME = COI

Same reason liberals have tried to call themselves "progressives".

They think we're all stupid.

Here's another story:

Sheriff Arpaio Continues with Human Smuggling Interdiction and Felony Crackdown despite Ongoing Controversy

Deputies Arrest 37 in Five Hours

http://www.mcso.org/include/pr_pdf/Depu ... 0Hours.pdf

(Phoenix, AZ) Maricopa County Sheriff Joe Arpaio reports his deputies made 37
arrests in five short hours last night during a human smuggling interdiction. Deputies
conducted several traffic stops on I-17 near Anthem and various parts of the East
Valley, which led to 37 arrested, 36 of whom were illegal aliens, 23 were booked into
the Fourth Avenue Jail under state felony smuggling charges. The remaining eleven
arrested under federal charges were transferred to ICE.

In the past five weeks, Sheriff’s deputies have arrested 207 illegal aliens on felony
charges. The Sheriff’s Human Smuggling Unit arrested a total of 1576 on state felony
human smuggling charges.

“I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. I will not stop enforcing the law, regardless of
an activist with a camera or a City of Phoenix Councilman following my deputies
around,” Arpaio says.

Recently, 500 organizations wrote letters to President Obama requesting to terminate
the 287-G agreement. The Sheriff is leaning towards renewing the contract, however
even without the contract the Sheriff pledges continued enforcement of immigration
laws.

Arpaio says he is planning another Crime Suppression Operation in the very near
future.

The Maricopa County Sheriff’s Office continues to be the only agency enforcing all
aspects of the felony Arizona state human smuggling laws.

[RedWingFan]

Check out John Stewart's take on the ACORN story and the media's ignoring it!! Hilarious!!

http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2009/ ... a-for.html

[separate_wayz]

http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/ameri ... index.html

I like how Obama announced the withdrawal of the missile shield in Poland and the Czech Republic on the 70th anniversary of the Soviet invasion of Poland. Nice touch. Well done.

So .... the Obama Doctrine so far is (apparently): curry favor with avowed enemies (Islamisists, Chavez-supporting chavistas in Central and South America, like Manuel Zalaya), while spurning friends and allies (Poland, Czech Republic, and Honduras' Roberto Micheletti and his government).

(Is it too early to announce buyer's remorse on this fuck-face yet?)

[strangegrey]

(Is it too early to announce buyer's remorse on this fuck-face yet?)

Hard to have remorse when the alternative was just as bad.

Seriously....It's hard to think Obama would have been better off remaining the junior senator from Illinois and John McCain would have been better as president. We would have been equally fucked....

Do you want to die via self-inflicted gun shot wound or mob-style 22-cal hit to the back of the head. At the end of the day, you're still dead of the same wound....the only difference is who pulled the trigger!