CAPTAIN AMERICA - First Trailer

[verslibre]

Len Wiseman is directing the Total Recall reboot....he directed 2 of the Underworlds, and Live Free or Die Hard...

Underworld??!!! *Writes another movie off*

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I still think Shanghai Noon was better than any of the Rush Hour films, but they were watchable because of the Chris Tucker/Jackie Chan chemistry.

Both franchises are great (well, the second Shanghai dropped the ball), and it's a way of enjoying Jackie Chan with two distinctly funny — very funny — guys. Chris and Owen are both hilarious and provide different platforms for Jackie to bounce off. I saw the first Rush Hour so many times I lost count.

and Zack's Dawn Of The Dead remake.

Haven't seen that, but both 300 and Watchmen were thoroughly indulgent movies that came across as a kid in a candy shop without anyone telling where to stop. He has a good eye for visuals, but couldn't find one ounce of emotion in either movie.

300 sucked. I don't like the comic. I don't like the movie. I don't like the look of the movie, or the FX, or anything. It's like Avatar — needlessly over-the-top. Over-the-top is good, but please, let there be a point.

Watchmen, OTOH, is very solid, even if you're not a fan of the comic (very hard to adapt that one, too). If you glossed over the emotion in Watchmen, I'd say it's your own shortcomings that somehow contributed to that.

Singer seems to do pretty good at getting good performances out of his actors.

Arguably.

[kgdjpubs]

I still think Shanghai Noon was better than any of the Rush Hour films, but they were watchable because of the Chris Tucker/Jackie Chan chemistry.

Both franchises are great (well, the second Shanghai dropped the ball), and it's a way of enjoying Jackie Chan with two distinctly funny — very funny — guys. Chris and Owen are both hilarious and provide different platforms for Jackie to bounce off. I saw the first Rush Hour so many times I lost count.

Yes, the 2nd Shanghai dropped a bit. The difference between the franchises is that Shanghai #1 was Jackie doing Jackie....and Rush Hour was Jackie backing up Chris Tucker. Both worked for different reasons.

and Zack's Dawn Of The Dead remake.

Haven't seen that, but both 300 and Watchmen were thoroughly indulgent movies that came across as a kid in a candy shop without anyone telling where to stop. He has a good eye for visuals, but couldn't find one ounce of emotion in either movie.

300 sucked. I don't like the comic. I don't like the movie. I don't like the look of the movie, or the FX, or anything. It's like Avatar — needlessly over-the-top. Over-the-top is good, but please, let there be a point.

yes, exactly.

Watchmen, OTOH, is very solid, even if you're not a fan of the comic (very hard to adapt that one, too). If you glossed over the emotion in Watchmen, I'd say it's your own shortcomings that somehow contributed to that.

I don't know. The same things that turned me off 300 reared their head watching Watchmen. It was better, but still hit me the wrong way. Snyder just strikes me as...immature for a director. There is some talent, but he doesn't know when to say enough is enough. He seems to be more interested in overdone sex and violence than telling a good story. A hard R-rated film just for sake of making a hard R-rated film rarely works--and I'm struggling to think of a case where it does work. Maybe I'm out-of-touch with it, but he seems to treat plot and character development as an afterthought, as opposed to the heart and soul that drives the action.

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Yes, the 2nd Shanghai dropped a bit. The difference between the franchises is that Shanghai #1 was Jackie doing Jackie....and Rush Hour was Jackie backing up Chris Tucker. Both worked for different reasons.

How was Jackie not backing up Owen, in that case? We'll have to agree to disagree. Jackie was very much himself in both scenarios. They're just great movies, though Shanghai was a touch more serious (nothing wrong with that).

I don't know. The same things that turned me off 300 reared their head watching Watchmen. It was better, but still hit me the wrong way. Snyder just strikes me as...immature for a director. There is some talent, but he doesn't know when to say enough is enough. He seems to be more interested in overdone sex and violence than telling a good story. A hard R-rated film just for sake of making a hard R-rated film rarely works--and I'm struggling to think of a case where it does work. Maybe I'm out-of-touch with it, but he seems to treat plot and character development as an afterthought, as opposed to the heart and soul that drives the action.

Watchmen was a very adult work. To adapt it you have to make an R-rated film.

[kgdjpubs]

Yes, the 2nd Shanghai dropped a bit. The difference between the franchises is that Shanghai #1 was Jackie doing Jackie....and Rush Hour was Jackie backing up Chris Tucker. Both worked for different reasons.

How was Jackie not backing up Owen, in that case? We'll have to agree to disagree. Jackie was very much himself in both scenarios. They're just great movies, though Shanghai was a touch more serious (nothing wrong with that).

hard to explain, but the tone of Shanghai Noon was considerably closer to Jackie's Hong Kong films than Rush Hour was. Could be the fight scenes, but Shanghai felt like a "Jackie Chan movie", Rush Hour had Jackie Chan in it.

I don't know. The same things that turned me off 300 reared their head watching Watchmen. It was better, but still hit me the wrong way. Snyder just strikes me as...immature for a director. There is some talent, but he doesn't know when to say enough is enough. He seems to be more interested in overdone sex and violence than telling a good story. A hard R-rated film just for sake of making a hard R-rated film rarely works--and I'm struggling to think of a case where it does work. Maybe I'm out-of-touch with it, but he seems to treat plot and character development as an afterthought, as opposed to the heart and soul that drives the action.

Watchmen was a very adult work. To adapt it you have to make an R-rated film.

I never have really understood this argument as some of the most intense films I have ever seen are PG13. It not necessarily what you show, it's the tone that you create with the movie--and that has nothing at all to do with the rating. If something like Jurassic Park or The Dark Knight can work as PG13, there is no real reason Watchmen couldn't be done the same way without losing the essence of the story.

It's not the R-rating though that bothers me, as much as how it was used. Maybe I just never got it, but it isn't as much as what you show as what you imply. Snyder seems to have a case of show stuff because you can, without the thought process of whether you actually NEED to show it to advance the plot. Just a personal opinion, and he's certainly not the only director guilty of it.

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Btw, Blade 2's script was horrible, and Del Toro was not able to save it. The first movie is much better, regardless of directorship.

I've always thought the exact opposite. David Goyer's script for Blade 1 is a total embarassment. Thankfully Del Toro re-wrote most of Goyer's work for the sequel. Goyer would then try his hand at writing and directing the third Blade, and ended up completely destroying the franchise. Blade 2 is an action-horror masterpiece. Goyer sux.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Where are the films of which he speaks?.

Off the top of my head...Kick-Ass, Red, and The Losers all come to mind. Each was based on a comic nobody really cared about. Sometimes this pays off (see The Mask), usually not (Tank Girl, Steel, Judge Dredd etc).

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Btw, Blade 2's script was horrible, and Del Toro was not able to save it. The first movie is much better, regardless of directorship.

I've always thought the exact opposite. David Goyer's script for Blade 1 is a total embarassment. Thankfully Del Toro re-wrote most of Goyer's work for the sequel. Goyer would then try his hand at writing and directing the third Blade, and ended up completely destroying the franchise. Blade 2 is an action-horror masterpiece. Goyer sux.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! So whose idea was it to rip off the Predator's split-jaw special effect and to incorporate gay CGI into the fight scenes?

A classic of a TURKEY, fer sure!!!!

[kgdjpubs]

Where are the films of which he speaks?.

Off the top of my head...Kick-Ass, Red, and The Losers all come to mind. Each was based on a comic nobody really cared about. Sometimes this pays off (see The Mask), usually not (Tank Girl, Steel, Judge Dredd etc).

I think the success of The Mask was primarily due to one Jim Carrey, who was red hot at the time. ANY movie you put him in at that time would have done well. I don't think the subject matter mattered one iota in that case.

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Where are the films of which he speaks?.

Off the top of my head...Kick-Ass, Red, and The Losers all come to mind. Each was based on a comic nobody really cared about. Sometimes this pays off (see The Mask), usually not (Tank Girl, Steel, Judge Dredd etc).

Kick-Ass got made because it (the comic) was controversial and selling many copies.

[The_Noble_Cause]

I think the success of The Mask was primarily due to one Jim Carrey, who was red hot at the time. ANY movie you put him in at that time would have done well. I don't think the subject matter mattered one iota in that case.

Carey was signed to do that film before Ace Ventura had even opened and made him a superstar. Like I said, when adapting an obscure comic, sometimes the gamble pays off big. Most of the time, not.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Kick-Ass got made because it (the comic) was controversial and selling many copies.

Evidently not enough to make mainstream audiences give two shits. Like Jim Cameron said, Hollywood is looking to adapt any comic property (popular, obscure, or otherwise) to make a buck.

[verslibre]

Kick-Ass got made because it (the comic) was controversial and selling many copies.

Evidently not enough to make mainstream audiences give two shits. Like Jim Cameron said, Hollywood is looking to adapt any comic property (popular, obscure, or otherwise) to make a buck.

JamCam should just keep his trap shut since plenty of people shelled out to see that coprolith called Avatar. All he gives a shit about is money. He's like Luca$.

Kick-Ass was a relatively new comic; the fact that it became a movie that quickly tells you a studio was willing to take a chance on it.

People that went and saw it liked it. Those that didn't shied away because of its sexual and violent content. I liked it a lot. It's just not for everybody.

[The_Noble_Cause]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! So whose idea was it to rip off the Predator's split-jaw special effect and to incorporate gay CGI into the fight scenes?

A classic of a TURKEY, fer sure!!!!

Not sure what's "gay" about using CGI to keep budget costs down. That's a practical choice. Some martial arts scenes look dodgy, but nothing too bad. And the split-jaw effect didn't strike me as being a Predator knock-off. In hindsight, it probably is. Still doesn't detract from one of the best comic flicks ever made. Just a fun freak-out of a movie.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Kick-Ass was a relatively new comic; the fact that it became a movie that quickly tells you a studio was willing to take a chance on it.

In the wake of Batman, Spiderman, and X-Men, studios are willing to take a chance on ANY comic character. Even Antman will soon be fighting evildoers on a screen near you. Cameron is right. The market is saturated.

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HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! So whose idea was it to rip off the Predator's split-jaw special effect and to incorporate gay CGI into the fight scenes?

A classic of a TURKEY, fer sure!!!!

Not sure what's "gay" about using CGI to keep budget costs down. That's a practical choice. Some martial arts scenes look dodgy, but nothing too bad. And the split-jaw effect didn't strike me as being a Predator knock-off. In hindsight, it probably is. Still doesn't detract from one of the best comic flicks ever made. Just a fun freak-out of a movie.

Practical? Either we didn't see the same movie, or you're sidestepping the issue. In the fight between Snipes-Blade and Goss-Reaper, CGI versions of themselves were substituted in certain frames to portray speed and stunts they presumaby could not do with the real actors. It looked cartoonish and nothing more than a way to emulate some very anime-esque motions. It was very unnecessary. This was also done in other combat sequences and right off the bat it looked lame and unnecessary.

And yes, it was a wholesale lift of the Predator's split-jaw. At least everyone in the theater I saw it were like "WTF?"

And why don't you just admit the story sucked?

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Kick-Ass was a relatively new comic; the fact that it became a movie that quickly tells you a studio was willing to take a chance on it.

In the wake of Batman, Spiderman, and X-Men, studios are willing to take a chance on ANY comic character. Even Antman will soon be fighting evildoers on a screen near you. Cameron is right. The market is saturated.

Cameron is an exaggerator. I don't see any new movies being greenlit for the DC heroes that were all recently portrayed on Smallville. No Flash, no Atom, no Justice League, none of that. Wonder Woman is coming back, but it's her second round in a TV show.

[kgdjpubs]

Kick-Ass was a relatively new comic; the fact that it became a movie that quickly tells you a studio was willing to take a chance on it.

In the wake of Batman, Spiderman, and X-Men, studios are willing to take a chance on ANY comic character. Even Antman will soon be fighting evildoers on a screen near you. Cameron is right. The market is saturated.

Cameron is an exaggerator. I don't see any new movies being greenlit for the DC heroes that were all recently portrayed on Smallville. No Flash, no Atom, no Justice League, none of that. Wonder Woman is coming back, but it's her second round in a TV show.

no, but he does have a point. There have been a large amount of superhero movies on the past couple of years. As long as the movies can be made cheaply though, I doubt Hollywood will stop making them. Minimal risk properties with some amount of a built-in audience that means they at least stand a good chance of breaking even.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Practical? Either we didn't see the same movie, or you're sidestepping the issue. In the fight between Snipes-Blade and Goss-Reaper, CGI versions of themselves were substituted in certain frames to portray speed and stunts they presumaby could not do with the real actors. It looked cartoonish and nothing more than a way to emulate some very anime-esque motions. It was very unnecessary. This was also done in other combat sequences and right off the bat it looked lame and unnecessary.

Eh, this is nitpicking.
I have no doubt Del Toro used CGI only when it couldn't be pulled off with real actors. If it was a stylistic choice, well, maybe it was a poor one. Either way, it didn't detract from the movie for me.

And yes, it was a wholesale lift of the Predator's split-jaw. At least everyone in the theater I saw it were like "WTF?"

Polled the entire theatre did you? I saw it 4 times in theatres. Can't speak for the entire audience, but me and my friends always thought the movie was a blast. One of the rare cases of a sequel being far superior to the original. Didn't notice the Predator rip-off at the time. I guess its possible. Then again, the entire character of Blade is derivative of John Shaft and other blaxploitation heroes, so, really, who cares?

And why don't you just admit the story sucked?

Cool movie. Own it on dvd. This thread is actually tempting me to make some popcorn and watch it again.

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I saw it 4 times in theatres.

It's your nickel.

You don't have to poll the theater when everybody next to you and in front of you starts looking at each other and laughing.

Then again, the entire character of Blade is derivative of John Shaft and other blaxploitation heroes, so, really, who cares?

Right. Who cares, except you liked it enough to pay to see it four times.

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There have been a large amount of _______* movies on the past couple of years. As long as the movies can be made cheaply though, I doubt Hollywood will stop making them. Minimal risk properties with some amount of a built-in audience that means they at least stand a good chance of breaking even.

*action
*animated
*drama
*fantasy
*rom-com
*superhero
*sci-fi

Take your pick.

[S2M]

Not that it really applies to this thread, directly...but I have 4 unfinished screenplays at various levels of finishedness(a word I made it up) that would probably never see the light of day due to me being unsolicited. Original ideas to boot, not recycled hollyweird plots. And here you have hollywood recycling, and rebooting, remaking, and re-ruining movie plots....I think it is pitiful.

[kgdjpubs]

There have been a large amount of _______* movies on the past couple of years. As long as the movies can be made cheaply though, I doubt Hollywood will stop making them. Minimal risk properties with some amount of a built-in audience that means they at least stand a good chance of breaking even.

*action
*animated
*drama
*fantasy
*rom-com
*superhero
*sci-fi

Take your pick.

yea, but I think superhero is a MUCH smaller genre than any of the above. Once you get out of the teenage male market, your consumer base shrinks considerably, and there are a lot of people who like action/sci-fi, but don't really care for comic book movies. That narrows the market even more than it would be otherwise.

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Not that it really applies to this thread, directly...but I have 4 unfinished screenplays at various levels of finishedness(a word I made it up) that would probably never see the light of day due to me being unsolicited. Original ideas to boot, not recycled hollyweird plots. And here you have hollywood recycling, and rebooting, remaking, and re-ruining movie plots....I think it is pitiful.

You may not want to use such a weird (haha! I mean word) anywhere near a pitch. Use completion.

I know what you mean. I have some original, unrecycled ideas, but Hollywood is just interested in formulaic crap. And it's all about who you know, so I guess we're SOL.

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There have been a large amount of _______* movies on the past couple of years. As long as the movies can be made cheaply though, I doubt Hollywood will stop making them. Minimal risk properties with some amount of a built-in audience that means they at least stand a good chance of breaking even.

*action
*animated
*drama
*fantasy
*rom-com
*superhero
*sci-fi

Take your pick.

yea, but I think superhero is a MUCH smaller genre than any of the above. Once you get out of the teenage male market, your consumer base shrinks considerably, and there are a lot of people who like action/sci-fi, but don't really care for comic book movies. That narrows the market even more than it would be otherwise.

The Dark Knight has changed that. There were many ticketbuyers who weren't "teenage males," myself included.

The Iron Man flicks proved very popular with general audiences, too. These movies appealed to a large range of moviegoers, not just comics fans.

[S2M]

This just in....as it's continued interest in superhero movies increases...Hollywood, in a blatant attempt to garner the female demographic, has green lit a new project involving 2 Female Superheroes....

[kgdjpubs]

There have been a large amount of _______* movies on the past couple of years. As long as the movies can be made cheaply though, I doubt Hollywood will stop making them. Minimal risk properties with some amount of a built-in audience that means they at least stand a good chance of breaking even.

*action
*animated
*drama
*fantasy
*rom-com
*superhero
*sci-fi

Take your pick.

yea, but I think superhero is a MUCH smaller genre than any of the above. Once you get out of the teenage male market, your consumer base shrinks considerably, and there are a lot of people who like action/sci-fi, but don't really care for comic book movies. That narrows the market even more than it would be otherwise.

The Dark Knight has changed that. There were many ticketbuyers who weren't "teenage males," myself included.

The Iron Man flicks proved very popular with general audiences, too. These movies appealed to a large range of moviegoers, not just comics fans.

Batman is on the "A List" that has traditionally appealed beyond the core comic fans. The Dark Knight certainly pushed the genre well beyond where it has been done before---the serious, realistic attempt.

Honestly, maybe what I should have said (and maybe what Cameron was insinuating) is that there is an overload on cheaply-produced, comic book films. Put the right talent in writing, producing and directing any property and release the budget required to properly make the movie, and you may well end up with a critically-lauded and popular film that will rope in fans. Too often however, they are going cheap and/or non "A-list" casting without a great script to begin with and you end up with a bunch of films like Ghost Rider--which was an embarrassment to all involved.

[kgdjpubs]

This just in....as it's continued interest in superhero movies increases...Hollywood, in a blatant attempt to garner the female demographic, has green lit a new project involving 2 Female Superheroes....

yep...and it will be as much of a superhero movie as Twilight is a vampire movie.

[verslibre]

Honestly, maybe what I should have said (and maybe what Cameron was insinuating) is that there is an overload on cheaply-produced, comic book films. Put the right talent in writing, producing and directing any property and release the budget required to properly make the movie, and you may well end up with a critically-lauded and popular film that will rope in fans. Too often however, they are going cheap and/or non "A-list" casting without a great script to begin with and you end up with a bunch of films like Ghost Rider--which was an embarrassment to all involved.

No, he was just being an ass. He probably doesn't like guys like Nolan because he knows when better directors and writers are on the scene. And frankly, I'm surprised Batman Begins ever got made considering what a joke the Schumacher flicks turned out to be, batnipples and all.

Ghost Rider could have been a much better movie. The trailer really sold it. Still a great character if/when they try it again. The Thomas Jane Punisher film was great, too. Except in that case, the trailer didn't sell it properly, and it flopped.

[S2M]

Speaking of Project Greenlight....what ever happened to that show? I only know of 2 movies they featured. One was 'Feast', I think. And the other was a sports movie, I think....that show was awesome....let's keep the Kardashians, and nix a great filmmaking show....