Star Wars

[S2M]

[Yoda]

I got all excited over this? Hilarious though!

[S2M]

:lol:

I got all excited over this? Hilarious though!

We should have a serious thread about Star Wars, and how Lucas and Co. fucked that franchise all up. Seriously.

[Gideon]

:lol:

I got all excited over this? Hilarious though!

We should have a serious thread about Star Wars, and how Lucas and Co. fucked that franchise all up. Seriously.

The prequels could definitely have been done better, but Palpatine's rise to power was excellently written.

[RPM]

Episode 1 is pretty slow, but still necessary to the story, I thought 3 was pretty damn good, after just watching '
them all, Empire strikes back was the most enjoyable to me.

[artist4perry]

Oh stop your whining and enjoy the movies............for crying out loud it is a movie!

[verslibre]

SyFy's Battlestar Galactica reboot kicked the crap out of Star Bores!

[Monker]

SyFy's Battlestar Galactica reboot kicked the crap out of Star Bores!

Sorry, but SyFy's BSG is all but forgotten now.

Star Wars will be remembered forever, whether we want it to be or not...Same with Star Trek: TOS and ST:TNG.

[The_Noble_Cause]

SyFy's Battlestar Galactica reboot kicked the crap out of Star Bores!

No, it didn't. And as the disastrous last season proved, (as with similar TV cocktease LOST), the writers were just stringing viewers along (Six and Baltar were actually angels? Get the fuckoutta here). SyFy actually cancelled Sliders and Farscape to free up money for BSG. What a mistake.

[Gideon]

Yeah, but season 4 was worth it if only for Dean Stockwell. Cavil was such a great, snarky villain.

[verslibre]

SyFy's Battlestar Galactica reboot kicked the crap out of Star Bores!

Sorry, but SyFy's BSG is all but forgotten now.

Not quite, but it's getting there. SyFy wants to keep their roster stocked with junk like Alphas, Being Human, Eureka, and Warehouse 13 and anything that looks like it could have come from Joss Whedon's idea drawer. They want shit more along the lines of a "human drama" with peripheral — not integral — sci-fi aspects. Those shows are also easier on the budget than the FX-intensive BSG.

IGN.com did report back in August that SyFy prez Dave Howe does want to keep the BSG franchise alive, though. I don't know what the current status of Blood and Chrome is, though it now has a 2012 date on IMDb.com.



But...there's the full-on motion picture reboot (which has nothing to with SyFy/Moore/Eick) which seems like it could be moving forward again. This article appeared a month-and-a-half ago on multiple websites:

http://www.firstshowing.net/2011/bryan-singers-battlestar-galactica-getting-life-after-excalibur-dies/



But again...I'll believe it when I actually see stills, a poster, trailer, etc. The thing is, will it compare to the brilliance of '03–'09? A bigger budget alone will not trump Moore's series.

Star Wars will be remembered forever, whether we want it to be or not...Same with Star Trek: TOS and ST:TNG.

Star Trek is certainly superior to Star Bores. At least the former tries to be science fiction-y. Star Bores is just swashbuckling in space. And the story post-1977 sucks balls and is laden with unintentionally funny inconsistencies and atrocious acting & dialogue.

[verslibre]

SyFy's Battlestar Galactica reboot kicked the crap out of Star Bores!

No, it didn't.

I think we went through this before. If you're into the Bores, more power to you. The last seven hours of product Lucas crapped out is a blight on sci-fi cinema. I'm not counting the animated Clone Bores series because I don't give a shit and I'll never watch it.

And as the disastrous last season proved, (as with similar TV cocktease LOST), the writers were just stringing viewers along (Six and Baltar were actually angels? Get the fuckoutta here). SyFy actually cancelled Sliders and Farscape to free up money for BSG. What a mistake.

BSG was their top-rated show. You think they were going to cut its budget? If those other shows are popular, or were, why don't they bring them back instead of starting up new shows?

And again, regardless of what transpired during BSG's final broadcast hours, it still blows away Star Bores where plot, writing, acting, and dialogue are concerned. Hell, even some of the FX were on par with what Jorge Puke-us put onscreen. BSG is the anti-Star Bores.

[Monker]

SyFy's Battlestar Galactica reboot kicked the crap out of Star Bores!

Sorry, but SyFy's BSG is all but forgotten now.

Not quite, but it's getting there. SyFy wants to keep their roster stocked with junk like Alphas, Being Human, Eureka, and Warehouse 13 and anything that looks like it could have come from Joss Whedon's idea drawer. They want shit more along the lines of a "human drama" with peripheral — not integral — sci-fi aspects. Those shows are also easier on the budget than the FX-intensive BSG.

When I say "forgotten", I mean by by American culture. BSG made a mark when it was running...but, when it left so did all the hype. That never happened to ST or SW. Those series will always be part of our culture.

IGN.com did report back in August that SyFy prez Dave Howe does want to keep the BSG franchise alive, though. I don't know what the current status of Blood and Chrome is, though it now has a 2012 date on IMDb.com.

It's a mistake. BSG survived by it's shock drame...that is the only thing that kept the masses coming back. It had the same appeal as "Fear Factor" but in a "who is going to be raped or murdered this week, or will they come up with a new way to shock me...." The story line was crap and impossible to follow to the point where it just didn't matter any longer. In fact, I said in this very forum that it will not do well in reruns or syndication because of this very fact...and it hasn't. It's been on BBC America...but other then that it is gone.

Spin-off shows are a waste of mooney and time. Didn't Caprica prove that? Nobody really cares about BSG past the reboot series.

But...there's the full-on motion picture reboot (which has nothing to with SyFy/Moore/Eick) which seems like it could be moving forward again. This article appeared a month-and-a-half ago on multiple websites:

That has been talked about for years, separate from the series. When "V" was rebooted, I remember reading an article about it....and also about "Blake's 7" being remade. The movie would be more in the tradition of the old series. I would personally like to see that but I doubt it will ever happen.

But again...I'll believe it when I actually see stills, a poster, trailer, etc. The thing is, will it compare to the brilliance of '03–'09? A bigger budget alone will not trump Moore's series.

I would agree that the original mini-series was a good setup and would be good level of writing to shoot for. But, the series as a whole would not be hard to trump - at all. It reminds of the South Park show where they poked fun at Family Guy by having Manatees pick out the jokes....that is how random and directionless BSG had become by the end.

Star Wars will be remembered forever, whether we want it to be or not...Same with Star Trek: TOS and ST:TNG.

Star Trek is certainly superior to Star Bores. At least the former tries to be science fiction-y. Star Bores is just swashbuckling in space. And the story post-1977 sucks balls and is laden with unintentionally funny inconsistencies and atrocious acting & dialogue.

My point was not which was the better scifi. My point is that SW and ST are engrained in our culture to a point where it can never be removed. SyFy's BSG will never be that way. In fact, the original BSG will probably be remembered more fondly. When people think of Cylons, the original series is what they will remember...especially the voice, "By you command imperious leader."

[Monker]

SyFy's Battlestar Galactica reboot kicked the crap out of Star Bores!

No, it didn't.

I think we went through this before. If you're into the Bores, more power to you. The last seven hours of product Lucas crapped out is a blight on sci-fi cinema. I'm not counting the animated Clone Bores series because I don't give a shit and I'll never watch it.

And as the disastrous last season proved, (as with similar TV cocktease LOST), the writers were just stringing viewers along (Six and Baltar were actually angels? Get the fuckoutta here). SyFy actually cancelled Sliders and Farscape to free up money for BSG. What a mistake.

BSG was their top-rated show. You think they were going to cut its budget? If those other shows are popular, or were, why don't they bring them back instead of starting up new shows?

And again, regardless of what transpired during BSG's final broadcast hours, it still blows away Star Bores where plot, writing, acting, and dialogue are concerned. Hell, even some of the FX were on par with what Jorge Puke-us put onscreen. BSG is the anti-Star Bores.

That's not his point..."Sliders" was canceled WAY before BSG aired. I think Farscape was as well. Both shows were landmark series for Scifi and were their top rated show at some point. The point is he believes SciFi needed the $'s for BSG's first season. IMO, Sliders was way past due to be canceled. But, Farscape was one season away from finishing it's five year long tale. It did NOT have bad ratings Canceling Farscape was inexcusable...if you go back and read what ScFi had said back then, they were scrambling to explain their decision - and couldn't. IMO, that was the start of the downhill track for SciFi...and Syfy has nothing decent to offer any longer, well, except Sanctuary.

And, by the last couple seasons, there was no real plot to BSG any longer. The writing sucked. The acting was good. The dialog was pretty forgettable for me. The true visionary for BSG is Glen A. Larson...*HE* should have rebooted BSG himself, somehow, because the original story was epic and could have been more like Babylon 5 in scale and story..and he may have been able to take his place alongside Lucas and Roddenberry.

[Rip Rokken]

SyFy's Battlestar Galactica reboot kicked the crap out of Star Bores!

How was "Caprica"? Never saw it, not sure I'll ever give it a watch. And didn't watch too much of the new BSG... just a few early episodes. Loved the original too much, and still want to see Richard Hatch's short promo for BSG 2.0... I've seen a few screenshots, and know he played it for a few conventions, but did it ever leak out?

[Rip Rokken]

Episode 1 is pretty slow, but still necessary to the story, I thought 3 was pretty damn good, after just watching '
them all, Empire strikes back was the most enjoyable to me.

"Empire" was definitely the best of the original trilogy. One of the handful of sequels in film history that outdid the debut ("Aliens" being another). I seem to be one of the only people who actually enjoyed "The Phantom Menace", and then thought the next two films sucked. The biggest mistake Lucas ever made was to overexpose Star Wars thru mega over-commercialization. The "magic" was still there after "Return"... it was completely sucked dry by "Attack"...

I really get the impression that George Lucas was just a B-grade hack who lucked out big time, but can't continue producing quality work... he makes his living strictly off of rehashing the original successes endlessly.

[verslibre]

SyFy's Battlestar Galactica reboot kicked the crap out of Star Bores!

Sorry, but SyFy's BSG is all but forgotten now.

Not quite, but it's getting there. SyFy wants to keep their roster stocked with junk like Alphas, Being Human, Eureka, and Warehouse 13 and anything that looks like it could have come from Joss Whedon's idea drawer. They want shit more along the lines of a "human drama" with peripheral — not integral — sci-fi aspects. Those shows are also easier on the budget than the FX-intensive BSG.

When I say "forgotten", I mean by by American culture. BSG made a mark when it was running...but, when it left so did all the hype. That never happened to ST or SW. Those series will always be part of our culture.

I know what you meant. Just like Michael Jackson.

IGN.com did report back in August that SyFy prez Dave Howe does want to keep the BSG franchise alive, though. I don't know what the current status of Blood and Chrome is, though it now has a 2012 date on IMDb.com.

It's a mistake. BSG survived by it's shock drame...that is the only thing that kept the masses coming back. It had the same appeal as "Fear Factor" but in a "who is going to be raped or murdered this week, or will they come up with a new way to shock me...." The story line was crap and impossible to follow to the point where it just didn't matter any longer.

You mean the show was dark. It bore none of the goofier aspects like you'd find in SW, ST, the original BSG or B5.

Spin-off shows are a waste of mooney and time. Didn't Caprica prove that? Nobody really cares about BSG past the reboot series.

Prequels are dangerous. Showing the very beginning of a chronology is sketchy business. For reasons beyond my comprehension, people gave Luca$ a pass and opened their wallets for that Phantom Spinach crap...one of the worst movies I've ever seen. I think people just wanted new Lucasshit and were willing to accept it in enema form if need be.

Caprica would've been alright as a self-contained, four-hour movie in two parts, just like the '03 reboot movie which they laughably called a "miniseries."

But...there's the full-on motion picture reboot (which has nothing to with SyFy/Moore/Eick) which seems like it could be moving forward again. This article appeared a month-and-a-half ago on multiple websites:

That has been talked about for years, separate from the series.

Yes, it has. And as much is said in the article in the link.

The movie would be more in the tradition of the old series.

Yep.

But again...I'll believe it when I actually see stills, a poster, trailer, etc. The thing is, will it compare to the brilliance of '03–'09? A bigger budget alone will not trump Moore's series.

I would agree that the original mini-series was a good setup and would be good level of writing to shoot for. But, the series as a whole would not be hard to trump - at all.

I dunno. Depends on who writes the script. Personally, I am not a fan of Singer. His X-flix were forgettable and then he bailed on X3 to make that leaden trainwreck Superman Returns. His style seems more suited for some of those great SyFy originals.

And you know if they do the feature reboot, they're going to bring back lasers and shields and the old jackets and make Apollo and Starbuck act like Han Solos and carry pistols. What I liked about Moore's take was: no sidearms-at-all-times, no ship-shields, no beam weapons. And the way space battles were depicted was epic. "That" episode where they conduct Operation Whatchamacallit on New Caprica had all the online forums ablaze.

It reminds of the South Park show where they poked fun at Family Guy by having Manatees pick out the jokes....that is how random and directionless BSG had become by the end.

I don't know why it had such an unsatisfactory conclusion, but it did feel a bit rushed and weird in that final hour. You can't write off the bulk of the series, though. It was great. It had several dud episodes but nothing for the most part that induced an eyeroll or forehead slap — and there's a lot of that in SW.

My point was not which was the better scifi. My point is that SW and ST are engrained in our culture to a point where it can never be removed.

Yes, yes, yes. We know.

In fact, the original BSG will probably be remembered more fondly.

No, it won't be/is not. It's remembered as a '70s cheesefest. I still like it, but the average dip won't give it the time of day. All the SW drones wrote it off as a "rip-off" of SW, even though Glen A. Larson had originally conceived it in the late '60s as a show called Adam's Ark.

And to be fair, Richard Hatch's proposed '90s reboot, shown on the convention circuit in the form of a trailer, was pretty bad.

[verslibre]

And, by the last couple seasons, there was no real plot to BSG any longer.

The objective they were still working towards was very clear, and it was always to arrive at [New] Earth. So I don't know what you mean by that. And they had to deal with the Cylons, too.

The true visionary for BSG is Glen A. Larson...*HE* should have rebooted BSG himself, somehow, because the original story was epic and could have been more like Babylon 5 in scale and story..and he may have been able to take his place alongside Lucas and Roddenberry.

No need to state the obvious. Yes, Glen is "the" visionary in this case...it was originally his concept! But you can't write off Moore's take as just a waste of time, either. And be careful about using B5 as a totem because that show also experienced an overall decline.

[verslibre]

SyFy's Battlestar Galactica reboot kicked the crap out of Star Bores!

How was "Caprica"? Never saw it, not sure I'll ever give it a watch.

Don't bother.

And didn't watch too much of the new BSG... just a few early episodes.

Watch it on DVD or Netflix. Great show, especially the first four-fifths or five-sixths, however you look at it. There's also a standalone movie, Razor.

Loved the original too much, and still want to see Richard Hatch's short promo for BSG 2.0... I've seen a few screenshots, and know he played it for a few conventions, but did it ever leak out?

I saw it on a big screen. Maybe it would've worked in the '80s, but today — no way.

[verslibre]

"Empire" was definitely the best of the original trilogy.

I used to feel that way but now I like (and only watch) the original 1977 movie. It's meant to be a standalone film, with everything else trailing after it like a huge dingleberry.

One of the handful of sequels in film history that outdid the debut ("Aliens" being another).

I also used to feel similarly, buuut...I now prefer the original film by Ridley Scott. He is a much better director than the vastly overrated Cameron. Did you know Ridley Scott is currently directing (!!!) the alleged PREQUEL film to the original Alien?. It's called Prometheus. I've only seen a handful of stills, but one of them gives me serious wood.

I really get the impression that George Lucas was just a B-grade hack who lucked out big time, but can't continue producing quality work... he makes his living strictly off of rehashing the original successes endlessly.

Yes, he is. he can't, and he does. He's a hack with big-budget backing. Take away all the state-of-the-art FX and what do you have? Something on par with Laserblast. Remember that?

[Rip Rokken]

How was "Caprica"? Never saw it, not sure I'll ever give it a watch.

Don't bother.

Thanks - I thinks I shan't.

Loved the original too much, and still want to see Richard Hatch's short promo for BSG 2.0... I've seen a few screenshots, and know he played it for a few conventions, but did it ever leak out?

I saw it on a big screen. Maybe it would've worked in the '80s, but today — no way.[/quote]

Been hoping to see it for well over a decade, and luckily someone finally leaked it out to YouTube:

Battlestar Galactica: The Second Coming
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQNk6VMg9xs

And a clip of Hatch talking about it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zoe3NcLM9fQ

Ya know, very dated, sure... but not bad! I enjoyed it for nostalgia's sake. Apollo was always a very cool character.

[The_Noble_Cause]

BSG was their top-rated show. You think they were going to cut its budget?

By it's last season, it was lucky to break a 1.5 rating. That's like bragging about "Arrival" or "Generations" albums sales. BSG was essentially a human drama without much of any in the way of sci-fi. I recall Starbuck found a biomechanoid spacship in one ep, but beyond that, most of it was just cliched human bickering and spiritual mumbo-jumbo. The last season descended into philosophical naval-gazing. At worst, it was just a series of contrived cliffhangers leading viewers to believe that the writers-behind-the-curtain held grand master answers, when they did not. It desperately wanted to be Bablyon Five, but unlike B5, Ron Moore was making it up as he went along. "The Walking Dead" is also turining into a boring soap opera. I don't care what anyone says. Sliders was the US's answer to Dr. Who. What a great premise. SyFy is terribly mismanaged.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Bryan Singer (XMen, Superman Returns) is allegedly close to getting a big screen version of BSG up and running. It would be based on the Larson series.

[The_Noble_Cause]

IMO, Sliders was way past due to be canceled.

I dunno. Even without Jerry O'Connell, the last season had some decent eps. It's all about the writing.

It's a mistake. BSG survived by it's shock drame...that is the only thing that kept the masses coming back. It had the same appeal as "Fear Factor" but in a "who is going to be raped or murdered this week, or will they come up with a new way to shock me...." The story line was crap and impossible to follow to the point where it just didn't matter any longer. In fact, I said in this very forum that it will not do well in reruns or syndication because of this very fact...and it hasn't. It's been on BBC America...but other then that it is gone.

Exactly.

[verslibre]

BSG was their top-rated show. You think they were going to cut its budget?

By it's last season, it was lucky to break a 1.5 rating. That's like bragging about "Arrival" or "Generations" albums sales.

Predictable. You zero in on the last season. How about the first and second?

BSG was essentially a human drama without much of any in the way of sci-fi.

LOL How you can say that in good conscience and not attribute the exact same sentence to Star Bores is beyond me.

I recall Starbuck found a biomechanoid spacship in one ep, but beyond that, most of it was just cliched human bickering and spiritual mumbo-jumbo. The last season descended into philosophical naval-gazing. At worst, it was just a series of contrived cliffhangers leading viewers to believe that the writers-behind-the-curtain held grand master answers, when they did not. It desperately wanted to be Bablyon Five, but unlike B5, Ron Moore was making it up as he went along.

I recall Manakin built robots when he was a wee lad, but his son Fluke bickered a lot and these old guys Yogurt and OB1 loved to dole out the spiritual mumbu-jumbo. ("Ride the white horse, Fluke.") Episode III and Episode IV involved a lot of emo navel-gazing. At worst, every movie beyond the original 1977 "episode" is a tacked-on tumor-esque flourish laden with cheese and mold, anachronisms and inconsistencies — and let's not forget the wooden dialogue and uninspired acting. Planet-hopping does not alone a SF story make. George desperately wanted to make his Buck Rogers for a new age, and along the way decided it was okay to combine it with Hidden Fortress and aspects of Star Trek.

See? It's easy to do that.

"The Walking Dead" is also turining into a boring soap opera. I don't care what anyone says.

Don't watch it. In the meantime, I'll enjoy it.

Sliders was the US's answer to Dr. Who. What a great premise.

'90s "WB-type pseudo-SF cheese. I didn't even realize at first you were talking about the show with Jerry O'Connell.

The US doesn't need an "answer to Dr. Who. I don't watch it, but last I checked, Dr. Who is still going.

And please don't talk about Firefly. That's just Joss Whedon's interpretation of Hand Solo and the Perineum Falcon.

[verslibre]

Bryan Singer (XMen, Superman Returns) is allegedly close to getting a big screen version of BSG up and running. It would be based on the Larson series.

If you scroll up, you'll see not one, but two of us already included this information in our posts. I even included a link.

[verslibre]

Been hoping to see it for well over a decade, and luckily someone finally leaked it out to YouTube:

Battlestar Galactica: The Second Coming
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQNk6VMg9xs

And a clip of Hatch talking about it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zoe3NcLM9fQ

Ya know, very dated, sure... but not bad! I enjoyed it for nostalgia's sake. Apollo was always a very cool character.

Had to watch it again to "refresh." Wow, that doesn't just look dated for 1999...but 1989, as well! That trailer's embarrassing, IMO. "I'm coming for you, Starbuck!" I think Dirk wanted nothing to do with that.

Look at the way those battles are scoped out. Just swap out the ships for Imperial Star Destroyers, X-Wings and TIE Fighters. Looks just like Luca$.

If you watch the SyFy series, you'll see better, more realistic choreography of multi-ship warfare in space. And those battles DON'T last that long — because technically, they shouldn't.

[Rip Rokken]

Been hoping to see it for well over a decade, and luckily someone finally leaked it out to YouTube:

Battlestar Galactica: The Second Coming
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQNk6VMg9xs

And a clip of Hatch talking about it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zoe3NcLM9fQ

Ya know, very dated, sure... but not bad! I enjoyed it for nostalgia's sake. Apollo was always a very cool character.

Had to watch it again to "refresh." Wow, that doesn't just look dated for 1999...but 1989, as well! That trailer's embarrassing, IMO. "I'm coming for you, Starbuck!" I think Dirk wanted nothing to do with that.

Look at the way those battles are scoped out. Just swap out the ships for Imperial Star Destroyers, X-Wings and TIE Fighters. Looks just like Luca$.

If you watch the SyFy series, you'll see better, more realistic choreography of multi-ship warfare in space. And those battles DON'T last that long — because technically, they shouldn't.

Hatch is still cool though, and even though the trailer is a bit cheesy, he still just kicks ass because he's Apollo. An angrier version of Apollo is even better. Seems like they tried to make Baltar look like Emperor Palpatine, too. Didn't they address the "fate of Starbuck" question in an episode of Galactica 1980 (or whatever it was called)? I have that series on DVD somewhere buried in my shelves.

[verslibre]

Been hoping to see it for well over a decade, and luckily someone finally leaked it out to YouTube:

Battlestar Galactica: The Second Coming
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQNk6VMg9xs

And a clip of Hatch talking about it:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zoe3NcLM9fQ

Ya know, very dated, sure... but not bad! I enjoyed it for nostalgia's sake. Apollo was always a very cool character.

Had to watch it again to "refresh." Wow, that doesn't just look dated for 1999...but 1989, as well! That trailer's embarrassing, IMO. "I'm coming for you, Starbuck!" I think Dirk wanted nothing to do with that.

Look at the way those battles are scoped out. Just swap out the ships for Imperial Star Destroyers, X-Wings and TIE Fighters. Looks just like Luca$.

If you watch the SyFy series, you'll see better, more realistic choreography of multi-ship warfare in space. And those battles DON'T last that long — because technically, they shouldn't.

Hatch is still cool though, and even though the trailer is a bit cheesy, he still just kicks ass because he's Apollo. An angrier version of Apollo is even better. Seems like they tried to make Baltar look like Emperor Palpatine, too. Didn't they address the "fate of Starbuck" question in an episode of Galactica 1980 (or whatever it was called)? I have that series on DVD somewhere buried in my shelves.

Don't you know Dirk Benedict is cooler than Richard Hatch? (Seriously, though, I've met Dirk and he is a WAY cool guy, and we had a very interesting conversation that had nothing to do with BSG.)

Yeah, I could've sworn Starbuck "died" in Galactica 1980, so that trailer makes even less sense since it's supposed to "pick up" where the '70s show left off.

[Rip Rokken]

Don't you know Dirk Benedict is cooler than Richard Hatch? (Seriously, though, I've met Dirk and he is a WAY cool guy, and we had a very interesting conversation that had nothing to do with BSG.)

Yeah, I could've sworn Starbuck "died" in Galactica 1980, so that trailer makes even less sense since it's supposed to "pick up" where the '70s show left off.

He is cool, and I loved his cameo in the A-Team movie! Yes, the plot I remember had to do with Starbuck crash-landing on some planet with a Cylon centurion in sort of an "Enemy Mine" style story. I should dig it out and watch it.