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I got all excited over this? Hilarious though!
We should have a serious thread about Star Wars, and how Lucas and Co. fucked that franchise all up. Seriously.
verslibre wrote:SyFy's Battlestar Galactica reboot kicked the crap out of Star Bores!
verslibre wrote:SyFy's Battlestar Galactica reboot kicked the crap out of Star Bores!
Monker wrote:verslibre wrote:SyFy's Battlestar Galactica reboot kicked the crap out of Star Bores!
Sorry, but SyFy's BSG is all but forgotten now.
Monker wrote:Star Wars will be remembered forever, whether we want it to be or not...Same with Star Trek: TOS and ST:TNG.
The_Noble_Cause wrote:verslibre wrote:SyFy's Battlestar Galactica reboot kicked the crap out of Star Bores!
No, it didn't.
The_Noble_Cause wrote:And as the disastrous last season proved, (as with similar TV cocktease LOST), the writers were just stringing viewers along (Six and Baltar were actually angels? Get the fuckoutta here). SyFy actually cancelled Sliders and Farscape to free up money for BSG. What a mistake.
verslibre wrote:Monker wrote:verslibre wrote:SyFy's Battlestar Galactica reboot kicked the crap out of Star Bores!
Sorry, but SyFy's BSG is all but forgotten now.
Not quite, but it's getting there. SyFy wants to keep their roster stocked with junk like Alphas, Being Human, Eureka, and Warehouse 13 and anything that looks like it could have come from Joss Whedon's idea drawer. They want shit more along the lines of a "human drama" with peripheral — not integral — sci-fi aspects. Those shows are also easier on the budget than the FX-intensive BSG.
IGN.com did report back in August that SyFy prez Dave Howe does want to keep the BSG franchise alive, though. I don't know what the current status of Blood and Chrome is, though it now has a 2012 date on IMDb.com.
But...there's the full-on motion picture reboot (which has nothing to with SyFy/Moore/Eick) which seems like it could be moving forward again. This article appeared a month-and-a-half ago on multiple websites:
But again...I'll believe it when I actually see stills, a poster, trailer, etc. The thing is, will it compare to the brilliance of '03–'09? A bigger budget alone will not trump Moore's series.
Monker wrote:Star Wars will be remembered forever, whether we want it to be or not...Same with Star Trek: TOS and ST:TNG.
Star Trek is certainly superior to Star Bores. At least the former tries to be science fiction-y. Star Bores is just swashbuckling in space. And the story post-1977 sucks balls and is laden with unintentionally funny inconsistencies and atrocious acting & dialogue.
verslibre wrote:The_Noble_Cause wrote:verslibre wrote:SyFy's Battlestar Galactica reboot kicked the crap out of Star Bores!
No, it didn't.
I think we went through this before. If you're into the Bores, more power to you. The last seven hours of product Lucas crapped out is a blight on sci-fi cinema. I'm not counting the animated Clone Bores series because I don't give a shit and I'll never watch it.The_Noble_Cause wrote:And as the disastrous last season proved, (as with similar TV cocktease LOST), the writers were just stringing viewers along (Six and Baltar were actually angels? Get the fuckoutta here). SyFy actually cancelled Sliders and Farscape to free up money for BSG. What a mistake.
BSG was their top-rated show. You think they were going to cut its budget? If those other shows are popular, or were, why don't they bring them back instead of starting up new shows?
And again, regardless of what transpired during BSG's final broadcast hours, it still blows away Star Bores where plot, writing, acting, and dialogue are concerned. Hell, even some of the FX were on par with what Jorge Puke-us put onscreen. BSG is the anti-Star Bores.
verslibre wrote:SyFy's Battlestar Galactica reboot kicked the crap out of Star Bores!
RPM wrote:Episode 1 is pretty slow, but still necessary to the story, I thought 3 was pretty damn good, after just watching '
them all, Empire strikes back was the most enjoyable to me.
Monker wrote:verslibre wrote:Monker wrote:verslibre wrote:SyFy's Battlestar Galactica reboot kicked the crap out of Star Bores!
Sorry, but SyFy's BSG is all but forgotten now.
Not quite, but it's getting there. SyFy wants to keep their roster stocked with junk like Alphas, Being Human, Eureka, and Warehouse 13 and anything that looks like it could have come from Joss Whedon's idea drawer. They want shit more along the lines of a "human drama" with peripheral — not integral — sci-fi aspects. Those shows are also easier on the budget than the FX-intensive BSG.
When I say "forgotten", I mean by by American culture. BSG made a mark when it was running...but, when it left so did all the hype. That never happened to ST or SW. Those series will always be part of our culture.
Monker wrote:IGN.com did report back in August that SyFy prez Dave Howe does want to keep the BSG franchise alive, though. I don't know what the current status of Blood and Chrome is, though it now has a 2012 date on IMDb.com.
It's a mistake. BSG survived by it's shock drame...that is the only thing that kept the masses coming back. It had the same appeal as "Fear Factor" but in a "who is going to be raped or murdered this week, or will they come up with a new way to shock me...." The story line was crap and impossible to follow to the point where it just didn't matter any longer.
Monker wrote:Spin-off shows are a waste of mooney and time. Didn't Caprica prove that? Nobody really cares about BSG past the reboot series.
Monker wrote:But...there's the full-on motion picture reboot (which has nothing to with SyFy/Moore/Eick) which seems like it could be moving forward again. This article appeared a month-and-a-half ago on multiple websites:
That has been talked about for years, separate from the series.
Monker wrote:The movie would be more in the tradition of the old series.
Monker wrote:But again...I'll believe it when I actually see stills, a poster, trailer, etc. The thing is, will it compare to the brilliance of '03–'09? A bigger budget alone will not trump Moore's series.
I would agree that the original mini-series was a good setup and would be good level of writing to shoot for. But, the series as a whole would not be hard to trump - at all.
Monker wrote: It reminds of the South Park show where they poked fun at Family Guy by having Manatees pick out the jokes....that is how random and directionless BSG had become by the end.
My point was not which was the better scifi. My point is that SW and ST are engrained in our culture to a point where it can never be removed.
Monker wrote: In fact, the original BSG will probably be remembered more fondly.
Monker wrote:And, by the last couple seasons, there was no real plot to BSG any longer.
Monker wrote:The true visionary for BSG is Glen A. Larson...*HE* should have rebooted BSG himself, somehow, because the original story was epic and could have been more like Babylon 5 in scale and story..and he may have been able to take his place alongside Lucas and Roddenberry.
Rip Rokken wrote:verslibre wrote:SyFy's Battlestar Galactica reboot kicked the crap out of Star Bores!
How was "Caprica"? Never saw it, not sure I'll ever give it a watch.
Rip Rokken wrote:And didn't watch too much of the new BSG... just a few early episodes.
Rip Rokken wrote:Loved the original too much, and still want to see Richard Hatch's short promo for BSG 2.0... I've seen a few screenshots, and know he played it for a few conventions, but did it ever leak out?
Rip Rokken wrote:"Empire" was definitely the best of the original trilogy.
Rip Rokken wrote:One of the handful of sequels in film history that outdid the debut ("Aliens" being another).
Rip Rokken wrote:I really get the impression that George Lucas was just a B-grade hack who lucked out big time, but can't continue producing quality work... he makes his living strictly off of rehashing the original successes endlessly.
verslibre wrote:Rip Rokken wrote:How was "Caprica"? Never saw it, not sure I'll ever give it a watch.
Don't bother.
Rip Rokken wrote:Loved the original too much, and still want to see Richard Hatch's short promo for BSG 2.0... I've seen a few screenshots, and know he played it for a few conventions, but did it ever leak out?
verslibre wrote:BSG was their top-rated show. You think they were going to cut its budget?
Monker wrote:IMO, Sliders was way past due to be canceled.
Monker wrote:It's a mistake. BSG survived by it's shock drame...that is the only thing that kept the masses coming back. It had the same appeal as "Fear Factor" but in a "who is going to be raped or murdered this week, or will they come up with a new way to shock me...." The story line was crap and impossible to follow to the point where it just didn't matter any longer. In fact, I said in this very forum that it will not do well in reruns or syndication because of this very fact...and it hasn't. It's been on BBC America...but other then that it is gone.
The_Noble_Cause wrote:verslibre wrote:BSG was their top-rated show. You think they were going to cut its budget?
By it's last season, it was lucky to break a 1.5 rating. That's like bragging about "Arrival" or "Generations" albums sales.
The_Noble_Cause wrote:BSG was essentially a human drama without much of any in the way of sci-fi.
The_Noble_Cause wrote:I recall Starbuck found a biomechanoid spacship in one ep, but beyond that, most of it was just cliched human bickering and spiritual mumbo-jumbo. The last season descended into philosophical naval-gazing. At worst, it was just a series of contrived cliffhangers leading viewers to believe that the writers-behind-the-curtain held grand master answers, when they did not. It desperately wanted to be Bablyon Five, but unlike B5, Ron Moore was making it up as he went along.
The_Noble_Cause wrote: "The Walking Dead" is also turining into a boring soap opera. I don't care what anyone says.
The_Noble_Cause wrote:Sliders was the US's answer to Dr. Who. What a great premise.
The_Noble_Cause wrote:Bryan Singer (XMen, Superman Returns) is allegedly close to getting a big screen version of BSG up and running. It would be based on the Larson series.
Rip Rokken wrote:Been hoping to see it for well over a decade, and luckily someone finally leaked it out to YouTube:
Battlestar Galactica: The Second Coming
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQNk6VMg9xs
And a clip of Hatch talking about it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zoe3NcLM9fQ
Ya know, very dated, sure... but not bad! I enjoyed it for nostalgia's sake. Apollo was always a very cool character.
verslibre wrote:Rip Rokken wrote:Been hoping to see it for well over a decade, and luckily someone finally leaked it out to YouTube:
Battlestar Galactica: The Second Coming
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQNk6VMg9xs
And a clip of Hatch talking about it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zoe3NcLM9fQ
Ya know, very dated, sure... but not bad! I enjoyed it for nostalgia's sake. Apollo was always a very cool character.
Had to watch it again to "refresh."Wow, that doesn't just look dated for 1999...but 1989, as well! That trailer's embarrassing, IMO. "I'm coming for you, Starbuck!" I think Dirk wanted nothing to do with that.
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Look at the way those battles are scoped out. Just swap out the ships for Imperial Star Destroyers, X-Wings and TIE Fighters. Looks just like Luca$.
If you watch the SyFy series, you'll see better, more realistic choreography of multi-ship warfare in space. And those battles DON'T last that long — because technically, they shouldn't.
Rip Rokken wrote:verslibre wrote:Rip Rokken wrote:Been hoping to see it for well over a decade, and luckily someone finally leaked it out to YouTube:
Battlestar Galactica: The Second Coming
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gQNk6VMg9xs
And a clip of Hatch talking about it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zoe3NcLM9fQ
Ya know, very dated, sure... but not bad! I enjoyed it for nostalgia's sake. Apollo was always a very cool character.
Had to watch it again to "refresh."Wow, that doesn't just look dated for 1999...but 1989, as well! That trailer's embarrassing, IMO. "I'm coming for you, Starbuck!" I think Dirk wanted nothing to do with that.
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Look at the way those battles are scoped out. Just swap out the ships for Imperial Star Destroyers, X-Wings and TIE Fighters. Looks just like Luca$.
If you watch the SyFy series, you'll see better, more realistic choreography of multi-ship warfare in space. And those battles DON'T last that long — because technically, they shouldn't.
Hatch is still cool though, and even though the trailer is a bit cheesy, he still just kicks ass because he's Apollo. An angrier version of Apollo is even better. Seems like they tried to make Baltar look like Emperor Palpatine, too. Didn't they address the "fate of Starbuck" question in an episode of Galactica 1980 (or whatever it was called)? I have that series on DVD somewhere buried in my shelves.
verslibre wrote:Don't you know Dirk Benedict is cooler than Richard Hatch?(Seriously, though, I've met Dirk and he is a WAY cool guy, and we had a very interesting conversation that had nothing to do with BSG.)
Yeah, I could've sworn Starbuck "died" in Galactica 1980, so that trailer makes even less sense since it's supposed to "pick up" where the '70s show left off.
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