Multiple Vocals and Negative Reviews

[Rockindeano]

If I were Neal Schon and Jon Cain, not to mention the other 3..

Who gives a shit what these crybaby fans say? F them. As a band, Journey doesn't owe us a goddamned thing..for some to sit and nitpick every step they take, and every decision..I mean EVERY one!! please!

I do think we need to question certain things like marketing, release areas and dates, and the like...but when it comes to the music aspect..who the fuck are we to question these guys? Did Jesus question his old man?

[JourneyTroll]

Is Generations getting any airplay from the radio yet? I hear the Stone's song "Rough Justice" all the time.

Journeytroll

[Abitaman]

Is Generations getting any airplay from the radio yet? I hear the Stone's song "Rough Justice" all the time.

Journeytroll

It hasn't been released yet.-ERIC

[jrnyman28]

It has been reported that TPIYH was played on radio recently. But as far as I know, that is just ONE instance.

Once the CD is released, THEN maybe we can discuss airplay.

[The_Noble_Cause]

The people that bitch about this album must only own the GH in their collection. Not every album is ladden with nothing but radio friendly hits. I LOVE 6 songs on this album, am apathetic about 2, and like the rest. That's pretty darn good.
I can only imagine if "Departure" was released today, all the fans would bitch that the only good track to be found on the thing is "Any Way You Want It" and the rest is totally disposable.

However, I will concede to Monker that the use of Neal and Ross on vocals was not needed (especially in the light of how good Steve and Deen are). However, although unconventional, the shared vocals is nowhere near the detriment some would have you believe.

[Red13JoePa]

I still love In Self Defense as a warning shot to would-be terrorists. Am I totally reading into it? Listen to the words.

[OpeningAct]

The people that bitch about this album must only own the GH in their collection. Not every album is ladden with nothing but radio friendly hits. I LOVE 6 songs on this album, am apathetic about 2, and like the rest. That's pretty darn good.
I can only imagine if "Departure" was released today, all the fans would bitch that the only good track to be found on the thing is "Any Way You Want It" and the rest is totally disposable.

However, I will concede to Monker that the use of Neal and Ross on vocals was not needed (especially in the light of how good Steve and Deen are). However, although unconventional, the shared vocals is nowhere near the detriment some would have you believe.

Nice post NC!!! Look at the GREAT music between Escape and Open Arms on Side 2...practically no airplay at all back in the day....

[Monker]

Who gives a shit what these crybaby fans say? F them. As a band, Journey doesn't owe us a goddamned thing..for some to sit and nitpick every step they take, and every decision..I mean EVERY one!! please!

Gee, the above sounds like a "Perry head" talking about me ten years ago.

You're right, who gives a shit when Journey doesn't 'release' an album in the US, they give it away. Who gives a shit about the new songs when they all but give up on getting radio play and refuse to perform them in concert. Who gives a shit when members of the band turn their backs on what they do best to satisfy their selfish desires to sing lead vocals. Who gives a shit when Neal expresses more enthusiasm for Soul Sirkus then he does for Journey.

Who gives a shit? YOU DO.

but when it comes to the music aspect..who the fuck are we to question these guys?

Fans. People who are SUPPOSED to be fans of the music - not just the 'name' Journey.

Did Jesus question his old man?

Yes, he did. "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?" Other then that, he didn't ask me anything.

So, why has Journey forsaken the fans ability to digest new music? Why has Journey forsaken putting forth their best talents and instead put forth their mediocre vocal talents? Why has Journey forsaken classic rock radio, especialy after Styx showed that THEY can get new songs some airplay?

[The_Noble_Cause]

Gee, the above sounds like a "Perry head" talking about me ten years ago.

Why don't you first dissect the music before you dissect the fans that choose to support it? I have PMed you several times now importuning u for an opinion on "Generations" to little avail. Frankly, I don't think you've heard the disk and are criticizing the multiple vox thing solely on principle.

You're right, who gives a shit when Journey doesn't 'release' an album in the US, they give it away.

Worked for Prince, didn't it?

Who gives a shit about the new songs when they all but give up on getting radio play

Whoa there. That's Azoff management's domain, buddy.

Why has Journey forsaken putting forth their best talents and instead put forth their mediocre vocal talents?

You make it sound like the disk is out and out horrible. Even with Neal and Ross's mediocre vocal talents, this is still the band's strongest disk since Frontiers. Furthermore, Augeri sings the majority of tracks on the disk, it's not like Ross is hoggin the show.

Why has Journey forsaken classic rock radio, especialy after Styx showed that THEY can get new songs some airplay?

Those were covers songs, Monker. Jon Cain said (during the time of Main Event tour) that he would take a wait and see approach to putting out new music. He said him and the guys wanted to see just how well Styx did with getting Cyclorama on the radio. Cyclorama didn't move diddly squat. To hell with BBT, why do you insist that the guys lower themselves to releasing a cover album just for the sake of charting?

[Rockindeano]

Monker, Go to Hell. Who are you? Are you some sort of record executive? Granted you bring up a lot of arguments, many valid, but you seem to always have a pointed agenda.

Cover records? Like Styx? Dude, back away from the crackpipe. Again, cover records! The day Neal goes for that lame shit is the day Elton John bangs Madonna. Covers,..oh, ok.. That statement alone is idiotic. Journey is above that garbage. I stopped listening to Styx and will stop listening to Def Leppard too, once they finish their cover cd.

Do you have any idea how hard it is to be a band from Journey's genre to "make it big" today? Let's look, shall we?

Rolling Stones? Um, traveling graveyard exhibit.. Aerosmith?..sellouts....when is the last time they actually rocked? I guarantee you Generations is not only more rock than Bobo, but a lot better in quality. REO?..uh, don't ask. Styx? struggling to fill fairs. Boston. ?? Def Leppard? covers! Bon Jovi? turning to shit. Any of those Bands sell anymore? NO.

My point was simple...If you don't like what they are doing musically, then go over to another band and jock them. Why would anyone..any of you here, who all you really do is criticize Journey, waste your time? I can't for the life of me understand why members such as perryfaithful, Lori, HOTS, JourneyAct, Openingtroll, PROPERRY, and you even come here? You are all pathetic..and that's an opinion, and I can't get banned for it, so eat me.

I blast the shit out of the band when it's a no brainer, like Irving asleep at the switch..again! I wish Neal would put a stake in his wrinkled ass....That deserves criticism. So does not releasing a CD in AMERICA! That reeks of a Bushism....(scratching my head)..

But, to pick the snot out of a setlist, a guys hair, the lighting, the song order of the CD, the name of the CD, the venues where they are playing, the number of members who are singing.....what the fuck!?

There are members who "talk" about certain issues for give and take banter, but don't offer a ctitical proposal on how Journey should pick up their tent stakes and call it a trip..

If you have to ALWAYS bitch, go to a Creed board, go to a political board, Hell, that's easy to complain on...... If you want to argue some points, then fine, but Jesus, Monker, you seem to have a road map already outlined for retirement..

I consider myself among the most rabid fans of the band, yet fair and critical when it warrants it.. I have unloaded on the Band and Grandpa Azoff(I wish that pile of walking bones would return my calls), and would gladly tell Neal to his face if I really had a problem that consumed my entire day.. Trust me, I would tell Neal that the Bands' CD strategy rivals the Iraqi war in intelligence.. I would flatout tell him to hire HH, and can DR Valium, and I would also tell him to play the Generations material, however, Neal knows what got him here....and at 55 something years old, probably wants to at least play respectable sized crowds rather than nightclubs..and I can respect whatever he chooses to do, and unequivocally support Neal and the musical decisions...bar none..

My other, ultimate point is, give the Band a break.

PS- When Generations DOES get released(HELLO IRV!), it will get airplay..probably a lot more than Styx's new one..

[Andrew]

This thread is heading down a familiar path....please show restraint.

[Rockindeano]

This thread is heading down a familiar path....please show restraint.

I guess I could show restraint, but this is the kind of shit that is going to make the Band say "that's it."

I'm sorry Andrew, I just am torqued to shit...

[NealIsGod]

Did Jesus question his old man?

Yes, he did. "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?" Other then that, he didn't ask me anything.

Awfully high opinion of yourself, eh Monker?

[JourneyTroll]

It has been reported that TPIYH was played on radio recently. But as far as I know, that is just ONE instance.

Once the CD is released, THEN maybe we can discuss airplay.

The Stones' new album hasn't been released yet. However, three songs are getting tons of airplay.

I hope Journey's new album gets the airplay it deserves. 94.1 FM in Providence is known for playing new Journey material.

Journeytroll

[Red13JoePa]

No, A Bigger Bang hasn't been released yet, but the singles have been officially released to radio. Nothing off Gens has been released to radio yet, that doesn't mean they couldn't play it, but I don't see how they could have it yet.

[NealIsGod]

No, A Bigger Bang hasn't been released yet, but the singles have been officially released to radio. Nothing off Gens has been released to radio yet, that doesn't mean they couldn't play it, but I don't see how they could have it yet.

I hope Andrew's interviews shed some light on how the CD will be sold in America and plans for radio airplay. Classic rock stations don't play new songs very often, no matter who the band is. I don't know what kind of station would play new Journey, except maybe "mix" stations.

[Red13JoePa]

No one in horrible Philly played Arrival. 93.7 outa Wilmington spun Higher Place.
Philly used to have MMR 93.3 and now that station plays Ironman, Hell's Bells, Yellow Ledbetter, Panama, Sweet Child 'o Mine, and Vasoline, over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over in different mixes.

107.7 The Bone in Frisco will play Generations when it hits radio. You can download that station too.

[NealIsGod]

No one in horrible Philly played Arrival. 93.7 outa Wilmington spun Higher Place.
Philly used to have MMR 93.3 and now that station plays Ironman, Hell's Bells, Yellow Ledbetter, Panama, Sweet Child 'o Mine, and Vasoline, over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over in different mixes.

107.7 The Bone in Frisco will play Generations when it hits radio. You can download that station too.

Radio sure sucks nowadays. If you don't have an iPod, GET ONE. It is awesome. I have already outgrown the one I bought last week! It has 600 songs in it, but I need more... Plays over the car stereo with a $25 accessory. You can't beat it.

[Monker]

Why don't you first dissect the music before you dissect the fans that choose to support it?

Oh, please. Before you say that to me, look at yourself and others who post to this forum a lot more often then me. "Fans" are 'dissected' and criticized a LOT more often then music here...I did NOT dissect anybody...In fact, I have probably been dissected more then any other fan in this forum.

Worked for Prince, didn't it?

Yeah, he force fed concert goers his CD. So? What has Journey accomplished by doing the same thing? It is an OK idea but the way Journey has gone about it really sucks. Journey is giving away coasters and Ebay items.

You make it sound like the disk is out and out horrible.

That is not my intention. The idea of five lead vocalists is horrible. It goes against the grain of what Journey has been about for thirty years.

Those were covers songs, Monker.

Not the point. With Walrus, Styx gave radio what radio requested. With BBT, Styx gave their label what the label requested. The result was that they had support from both their label and radio. They even made a cheap video for Walrus that was played many times on VH1Classic.

Styx is doing things that Journey have given up on. It is that simple. I don't expect radio play. I definitely don't think they will waste their money on a video that nobody but a few hundred people on the internet will care about.

Jon Cain said (during the time of Main Event tour) that he would take a wait and see approach to putting out new music. He said him and the guys wanted to see just how well Styx did with getting Cyclorama on the radio. Cyclorama didn't move diddly squat. To hell with BBT, why do you insist that the guys lower themselves to releasing a cover album just for the sake of charting?

I bet Cyclorama sells better then Generations...not including the lame give aways. Cyclorama was also released on the small Sanctuary label and had no real label support...not the same as BBT or the next Styx album. If Journey wants on the radio, it's obvious to me that they need a label who is willing to support them...They will not be able to do it on their own or on a small label like Sanctuary.

Monker, Go to Hell.

Oh, you can do better then that.

Who are you?

A dream, to some. AND A NIGHTMARE TO OTHERS!

Granted you bring up a lot of arguments, many valid, but you seem to always have a pointed agenda.

An agenda? Go ahead, spell it out. I know you want to.

Cover records? Like Styx?

I did not say I wanted Journey to release a cover record. But, even so, Styx has done things lately that Journey has given up on...cover records or not.

The day Neal goes for that lame shit is the day Elton John bangs Madonna. Covers,..oh, ok.. That statement alone is idiotic.

Yes, it is VERY idiotic and ignorant for you to say the above...Especialy when Neal already released an EP of Hendrix covers, Journey performed an entire KBFH that was mostly covers and released one in the box set, Journey covered "It's All too Much", and Neal performs covers routinely in Journey concerts nowadays.

Journey is above that garbage.

See above.

I stopped listening to Styx and will stop listening to Def Leppard too, once they finish their cover cd.

Your loss...I stopped the Def Leppard thing after Pyromania, their best album.

Do you have any idea how hard it is to be a band from Journey's genre to "make it big" today?

I didn't say anything about 'making it big'. I simply believe they have given up on making anything with new music, even an anthill.

My point was simple...If you don't like what they are doing musically, then go over to another band and jock them.

Who says I don't? I already spend more time in the Styx forum then this place.

Why would anyone..any of you here, who all you really do is criticize Journey, waste your time? I can't for the life of me understand why members such as perryfaithful, Lori, HOTS, JourneyAct, Openingtroll, PROPERRY, and you even come here? You are all pathetic..and that's an opinion, and I can't get banned for it, so eat me.

Why do you waste your time criticizing people on a forum instead of talking about Journey and their music? Why do you go about so flamboyantly spouting off 'eat me' type things when it does absolutely no good and the only real affect it may have is to get people to reply back in the same tone?

But, to pick the snot out of a setlist, a guys hair, the lighting, the song order of the CD, the name of the CD, the venues where they are playing, the number of members who are singing.....what the fuck!?

So what. There is nothing you can do about it, is there? Well, I guess you can invite people to eat you again.

There are members who "talk" about certain issues for give and take banter, but don't offer a ctitical proposal on how Journey should pick up their tent stakes and call it a trip..

I've said many times what I thought Journey should have done with this release.

They should have pushed the first concert as a big event where at least seven new songs were to be performed. They should have made that the focus of ALL promotion. They should have performed a July 4 concert somewhere with that theme in mind and video taped it. They should have released that DVD and toured with that setlist and promoted that DVD. At the end of the tour they should have released a new CD with those seven songs, and a few more to make a full album.

What they are doing now is a hodge podge of ideas where there is nothing in focus. it's a marketing nightmare and failure.

My other, ultimate point is, give the Band a break.

Most fans have given the band an eight year break. Isn't the vacation supposed to be over by now? Are they still flying under the radar? When does the main event begin? Shouldn't this 30yr anniversary show also showcase TODAY's Journey, instead of the Journey from the debut thru TBF?

PS- When Generations DOES get released(HELLO IRV!), it will get airplay..probably a lot more than Styx's new one..

I don't think so. Styx has a label, Journey doesn't. Journey's album is available for free, Styx' won't be. Styx has already had airplay with BBT, Journey hasn't had any since the small amount for Arrival, and nothing significant since TBF. I doubt VERY much that Journey will be on the radio much more then Styx.

[perryfaithful]

Monker has nailed it! I leave refreshed!

[NealIsGod]

Monker has nailed it! I leave refreshed!

I don't know about that. Monker makes valid points about Journey's lousy marketing, but that's pretty obvious. I think he's wearing the rose colored specs when it comes to Styx, though. They have done some good things, but nobody is getting rich off them.

I think the bands we like need to focus more on the Internet. Use banner ads and make the music available for download. Sell the CDs on your own website and Amazon and at your shows. Maybe buy radio spots. But radio airplay of new music, the ultimate marketing tool, seems to be unattainable for classic rockers.

[heardonthestreet]

IMO, Journey needs someone who will grab the reins and take control.

[NealIsGod]

IMO, Journey needs someone who will grab the reins and take control.

Hey, we're all available to take over marketing for Journey. Neal and Jon, give me a ring...

[Rockindeano]

IMO, Journey needs someone who will grab the reins and take control.

I agree. Herbie Herbert needs to be called.

[jrnyman28]

Why has Journey forsaken classic rock radio, especialy after Styx showed that THEY can get new songs some airplay?

Classic Rock Radio has forsaken Journey. They will not play new material by a classic band. STYX only got airplay because the songs were COVER tunes, not original work. The cover songs were only played becuase CR Stations only play songs people know the words to.

I do not want a CD of cover songs from Journey. I could handle ONE, if it is the PERFECT cover song for Journey.

[jrnyman28]

IMO, Journey needs someone who will grab the reins and take control.

For once I totally agree with HOTS. And it is similar to what Monker is saying...there is NO FOCUS. We have all criticized that at one time or another.

And I find funny the role-reversal here. Monker has spent so much time argue 'against' Perry becasue of many of the ridiculous statements made about him on his behalf. But now he is arguing against Journey for many of their ridiculous decisions or decisions made on their behalf. Monker is an equal-opportunity critic.

And PF, did you EVER think you would say that about Monker??

[The_Noble_Cause]

I did NOT dissect anybody

You didn't dissect the new music, either, and that seems to be one of ur primary beefs with the band right about now.

Yeah, he force fed concert goers his CD. So? What has Journey accomplished by doing the same thing? It is an OK idea but the way Journey has gone about it really sucks. Journey is giving away coasters and Ebay items.

You keep saying that Journey has given up on releasing new music, but yet here u acknowledge that they are trying something new with the give-away approach. So which is it? Have they given up entiriely or are they trying something new? Do you even know, or are you arbitrarily choosing things and carping on them (ala ur padawan Froy)?

The band assessed their options and came to the conclusion that doing the "give-away" was the best way to reach the widest possible audience. It's a smart business move on their part and I see nothing wrong with it. The next Styx release of new material will flop as hard as Cyclorama and you will be eating crow. Mark my words. Just like when you dogmatically asserted that the Perry/Journey GH dvd wouldn't sell well.
You were wrong then, and you are wrong now.

[Red13JoePa]

These upcomining interviews with this site hopefully will shed some light on the long-term release plans for Generations and its promotion. Maybe a US bow followed by an indoor fall/winter tour....

[The_Noble_Cause]

Monker has nailed it! I leave refreshed!

Monker is discussing the business choices made by the current lineup. A lineup of which you admittedly are not a fan of. So how exactly do you know if Monker "nailed it" unless you are actively following the current happenings and goings-ons in Journey as it stands today?

Also, ur sig is pure distortion. There is no need for an exclamation mark or capitals. That quote by Augeri was stated calmly and cooly.

[metal rednex]

I'm am sick and tired of everyone(ie. not real Journey fans) pissing and moaning about the new tour , new cd, new singer, etc. Shut the hell up about it already. How would you like to be pigoen holed so you can grow and express yourself as a band/and or musician. Journey is the greatest band to ever walk the planet earth. Let them do what they want and have an open mind. They are not some one trick pony. It's not like they are the Bay City Rollers.

Metal Rednex