Multiple Vocals and Negative Reviews

[The_Noble_Cause]

Hey Noble, why not put a little more effort into getting some stink on your hang low than research BT posts...fucking weirdo....

I didn't "research" anything.
I couldn't, the BT thread in question was instantaneously deleted by over zealous BT mods. I was there and read Monker's post.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Hey Noble, why not put a little more effort into getting some stink on your hang low than research BT posts...fucking weirdo....

More abuse..

It's ok, Deano.
It's appreciated, but not really needed.
Reardon's 10, 000 other personalities think I'm a great guy. Really.

[Red13JoePa]

[jrnyman28]

Reardon's 10, 000 other personalities think I'm a great guy. Really.

LOL!

This is typical Joe behaviour. He is nice for a while, then he turns ugly.

[Monker]

Allow me to enlighten u.
Over on BT u responded in a "Generations" review thread that mentioned the fact that JSS and Neal were writing Sirkus II during this summer's JRNY tour. This fact was mentioned in both the actual Generations review and in JSS's corresponding remarks made to it.

I already said I read it in the 'review'. I didn't see JSS comment about it in his reply. I read some of his reply but it became very obvious, very quickly, that all he had in mind was to rip apart the integrity of a forum member...If anybody else had made a post like that, they'd be banned from BT for insulting and attacking another member.

But, all of this is irrelevant, isn't it? You are doing nothing but drawing lines and pushing people into 'sides'. You say this and that person, or group of people, have an agenda. It seems to me that YOU have an 'agenda' too.

you came here and pretended not to know that JSS and Neal were already doing preliminary work on Sikrus II, claiming, "What will be interesting is what Neal says about the future of Soul Sirkus...and if they are plainning or writing another Journey album, or if Soul Sirkus is going to be worked on first".

That is claiming ignorance of the subject, not claiming that I already know...because I DO NOT KNOW. I want NEAL to say what the plans are for SS and Journey. If HE says it, then I'll believe it...I am NOT going to assume that some obviously biased fan posts is true...and I am NOT going to take the words of an obviously PO'd JSS seriously at all. In fact, that post takes away from his credibility, IMO.

You knew the answer to this question already, but posed it anyway, so that the answer would vindicate ur currently harbored anti-lineup opinions and make it seem like you have some sort of insider-like aptitude for what you are talking about.

I have NEVER implied or claimed that I have some kinda 'insider' info. In fact, I have REPEATEDLY said that I don't. I will even go further then that now and say that most people in this forum are 'closer' to Journey since I have very little passion for Journey's future nowadays.

We all stand in awe of ur uncanny psychic abilities, Monker.
Too bad u knew the answer long before u came here and posed the question. Rolling Eyes

If I wanted to say something 'psychic', I'd say that Generations would be Journey's final album. I am only mostly convinced of that...so I'll hold off on that one.

As far as I'm concerned, you have just proven urself to be as disingenuous, manipulative and agenda-driven as the Perry-pod-People. Amscray.

Speaking of being 'psychic', I do believe I said not too long ago that if I came on here under a different nick and posted my true feelings about where Journey was at today that I would be labeled a "Perryloon", or whatever. Thank you for proving me right and I didn't even need to change my nick!

[The_Noble_Cause]

It seems to me that YOU have an 'agenda' too.

If pointing out your flagrant surreptitious hypocricy is an agenda, then so be it.
Dave observed the same thing as I did, and likewise called u on it.
He now, too, has an anti-Monker agenda, I presume?

I want NEAL to say what the plans are for SS and Journey

Reality Check: the Journey guys just released a new album. Why would you honestly expect them to make any sort of formal announcement about immediately starting on a new one? Get real. You're arbitrarily whining and carping ala Froy because the band you once loved has now evolved into something ur none too keen on (much in the same way a petulant Perry-Pod-Person does). Grow up.

I have NEVER implied or claimed that I have some kinda 'insider' info.

You're not credible. You knew Neal and JSS were writing Sirkus II on this tour and u came here and feigned obliviousness, prophetically surmising that "if it turns out they are writing another Sirkus album instead of another Journey album" it would somehow validate ur contention that Journey is in dire shape.
Nice try at pulling a fast one.
As I said before, u posed that question while knowing all too well the answer in advance. You posed it not out of any genuine inquisitiveness on ur part, but rather, out of the ulterior, deceitful motive of validating ur own agenda. Dave noticed it too. You wanted someone to post the answer (that Sirkus II was being worked on first), so u could go "A-ha! I was right! See? Now I can unequivocally declare Journey to be in the proverbial toilet bowl! See everybody? Monker knows what he is talking about!".

Shameless, sir. Absolutely shameless.

If I wanted to say something 'psychic', I'd say that Generations would be Journey's final album. I am only mostly convinced of that

Just like u were firmly convinced last year that the Perry/GH DVD would sell less that the 2001 dvd?
Here's a novel idea: why don't u stick to making predictions that u already know the answers to?

I have very little passion for Journey's future nowadays.

Of course you don't. Finding today's Journey to have very little to offer you in the way of musical enjoyment, you come here now seeking to disrupt and deter those who do find continued enjoyment from the band. Capriciously eviscerating the band's every little move.
This sort of reprobate, bellicose online conduct ring any bells yet?

As far as I'm concerned, you have just proven urself to be as disingenuous, manipulative and agenda-driven as the Perry-pod-People. Amscray.

Speaking of being 'psychic', I do believe I said not too long ago that if I came on here under a different nick and posted my true feelings about where Journey was at today that I would be labeled a "Perryloon", or whatever.

Yeah, because very much like a Perryloon, ur baselessly carping. On the one hand u say that Journey is trying nothing new and then u say that the new idea of giving cds at their concert is an ok idea.
So which is it?
Are they not trying new things or are they?
Do you even know?
Do you even care?
Seems you are just here to bitch.
Most probative of this is your dearth of any posts concerning the newly released album or even this summer's tour. You're fast to condemn the new material without ever once critically or substantively talking about it, just like a Perryhead does.

Thank you for proving me right and I didn't even need to change my nick!

You didn't have to.
Your actions spoke for themselves.

[Monker]

If pointing out your flagrant surreptitious hypocricy is an agenda, then so be it.

No, but pointing to anybody who posts negative comments about and saying the have an 'agenda' is also an agenda....an agenda very much like BT's.

Dave observed the same thing as I did, and likewise called u on it.
He now, too, has an anti-Monker agenda, I presume?

No, I guess he's allowing you to speak for him though.

Reality Check: the guys just released a new album. Why would you honestly expect them to make any sort of formal announcement about immediately starting a new one?

Cuz I would EXPECT Andrew, or any other decent interviewer, to ASK what the plans for the future are. If the band has NOTHING to say other then, "We just wanna finish this tour...", then it's very telling to me that Journey has NO FUTURE PLANS AT ALL.

Get real. You're arbitrarily whining and carping ala Froy because the band you once loved has now evolved into something ur none too keen on (much like a petulant Perry-pod-person does). Grow up.

What? Adding mediocre singers isn't an 'evolvement'...it's just a stupid decision.

You're not credible. You knew Neal and JSS were writing Sirkus II on this tour

No I don't know that...I don't know if that's true or not.

and u came here and feigned obliviousness, prophetically surmising that "if it turns out they are writing another Sirkus album instead of another Journey album" it would somehow validate ur contention that Journey is in dire shape. Nice try at pulling a fast one.

Blah, blah, blah. You're inventing things as you go along. Journey isn't in 'dire shape'. They can tour any time they want to, anywhere in the US they want to. But, IMO, any new recordings are NOT supported by the band in any way.

As I said before, u posed that question while knowing all too well the answer in advance.

I don't know the answer! Neither do you! Neal has to be ASKED THE QUESTION first!

You wanted someone to pose the answer (that Sirkus II was being worked on first), so u could go "A-ha! I was right! See? Now I can unequivocally declare Journey to be in the proverbial toilet bowl! See everybody? Monker knows what he is talking about!".

Whatever. Pay no attention to that guy behind the curtain.

Just like u were firmly convinced that the Perry/GH DVD would sell less that the 2001 dvd?

Yep...it shouldn't have since the GH DVD sucks.

Of course you don't. Finding today's Journey to have very little to offer you in the way of musical enjoyment, you come here now seeking to disrupt and deter those who do find continued enjoyment from the band. Capriciously eviscerating the band's every little move.
This sort of reprobate, bellicose online conduct ring any bells yet?

Let's see...I post negative Journey comments to ONE THREAD which ASKS WHY people critique the "five lead singer" idea...BECAUSE I SHARE THOSE FEELINGS...and I'm disrupting and detering an ENTIRE FORUM? Ah, the power of these mighty typing fingers! LOL.

On the one hand u say that Journey is trying nothing new

I don't believe I ever said that - quote it.

and then u say that the new idea of giving cds at their concert is an ok idea.
So which is it?

It's an OK idea that was executed poorly within the big picture of the US release of this CD.

Are they not trying new things or are they?

They are trying stupid ideas like: allowing people who can't sing very well sing on a Journey album. Or, the wonderful new thing of performing more pre-Perry songs then new songs. Or, the new thing of saying special guests would be on the tour - and then have none show up! Awesome ideas! LOL.

Seems you are just here to bitch.

I like to moan too! Want to hear some more?

Most probative of this is your dearth of any posts concerning the newly released album or even this summer's tour.

I told you...I just don't care that much. I haven't even listened to most of the clips of the album. I think I only listened to two, one of Deen's, which made me feel his voice is WAY over-rated by most people...and one of the 'anthem' songs which I felt was no where near as good as "HIgher Place" or "State of Grace".

You're fast to condemn the new material without ever once critically or substantively talking about it, just like a Perryhead does.

I didn't condemn the new material. I condemn the very idea of letting mediocre singers in Journey sing lead vocals. That's just stupid. I have not once said that Generations is good or bad, I really don't care either way.

[jrnyman28]

If pointing out your flagrant surreptitious hypocricy is an agenda, then so be it.

No, but pointing to anybody who posts negative comments about and saying the have an 'agenda' is also an agenda....an agenda very much like BT's.

I wish people would stop throwing the "agenda" word around. Just treat the words for what they say...not why you think they are being said!

Dave observed the same thing as I did, and likewise called u on it.
He now, too, has an anti-Monker agenda, I presume?

No, I guess he's allowing you to speak for him though.

No, he is not speaking for me. I said my peace, you responded. I hardly see the need to go round and round about it.

Reality Check: the guys just released a new album. Why would you honestly expect them to make any sort of formal announcement about immediately starting a new one?

Cuz I would EXPECT Andrew, or any other decent interviewer, to ASK what the plans for the future are. If the band has NOTHING to say other then, "We just wanna finish this tour...", then it's very telling to me that Journey has NO FUTURE PLANS AT ALL.

Over the years I have noticed the band getting more and more tight lipped about their plans. I think it is because they are constantly castigated for ideas that do not pan out. And if it failed...LOOK OUT! The guys would be smart to 'do first' and talk later.

Get real. You're arbitrarily whining and carping ala Froy because the band you once loved has now evolved into something ur none too keen on (much like a petulant Perry-pod-person does). Grow up.

What? Adding mediocre singers isn't an 'evolvement'...it's just a stupid decision.

"Stupid decision" is an opinion and should be stated as such. I enjoy the different styles and sounds. However I agree that they overdid it.

Journey isn't in 'dire shape'. They can tour any time they want to, anywhere in the US they want to. But, IMO, any new recordings are NOT supported by the band in any way.

Now see, there is something we can agree on.

Just like u were firmly convinced that the Perry/GH DVD would sell less that the 2001 dvd?

Yep...it shouldn't have since the GH DVD sucks.

It shouldn't...but it did. So your prediction was incorrect. You made the mistake of basing your prediction on quality of product...not demand.

Let's see...I post negative Journey comments to ONE THREAD which ASKS WHY people critique the "five lead singer" idea...BECAUSE I SHARE THOSE FEELINGS...and I'm disrupting and detering an ENTIRE FORUM? Ah, the power of these mighty typing fingers! LOL.

I must admit it is funny how quick you are being turned on Monker. After all that time arguing against the Perry fanatics...

Are they not trying new things or are they?

They are trying stupid ideas like: allowing people who can't sing very well sing on a Journey album. Or, the wonderful new thing of performing more pre-Perry songs then new songs. Or, the new thing of saying special guests would be on the tour - and then have none show up! Awesome ideas! LOL.

But the question was: Are they trying new ideas or not? It is a yes or no question and the answer is YES.

I told you...I just don't care that much. I haven't even listened to most of the clips of the album. I think I only listened to two, one of Deen's, which made me feel his voice is WAY over-rated by most people...and one of the 'anthem' songs which I felt was no where near as good as "HIgher Place" or "State of Grace".

Why don't you care, Monker? Honestly, what turned you off?

[The_Noble_Cause]

I told you...I just don't care that much. I haven't even listened to most of the clips of the album.

I have not once said that Generations is good or bad, I really don't care either way.

So if you don't care if the band makes new material or not, then why are you salivating at the mouth for an interviewer, ANY interviewer, to quickly ask Neal the question (and I quote) "I'd like to know if they are working a new JOURNEY album."

Seems rather contradictory to me (or in Monker parlance, "sir - ur error light is flashing").

[The_Noble_Cause]

What? Adding mediocre singers isn't an 'evolvement'...it's just a stupid decision.

There are those that would argue that moving on without Perry is a stupid decision. What's ur point? What separates u from them? As far as I can tell ur just another former fan now out with an axe to grind.

Nobody here is arguing that Neal and Ross are great singers, giving each member a song was quirky, offbeat and different. Hopefully next time the singers will be limited to Jon, Steve and Deen. As it is Steve still sings the majority of the tracks so it's not the end of the world. The way you and Froy react to change as such an anathema is truly something to witness. Are we fans of the same band? Journey has always been evolving.

one of Deen's, which made me feel his voice is WAY over-rated by most people

Clearly u have never heard him live in concert. The guy's been singing with the band for three years now and you've yet to hear him even once? So let me get this straight; you haven't seen a Journey concert in nearly half a decade, you don't own Generations and you don't care if this band ever puts out new music again? I'm sorry, comparing you to a Perryloon is an insult to Perryloons everywhere. At least they have some sort of vested interest (albeit a tenuous one) in this band. What's ur excuse? If you have zero interest in this group whatsoever why are you lounging around here?

and one of the 'anthem' songs which I felt was no where near as good as "HIgher Place" or "State of Grace".

Faith in the Heartland is better than State of Grace and all of Red 13 combined. I'm not one for bombastic hyperbole but it's as near close to a Journey masterpiece as I think we're likely to ever see.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Why don't you care, Monker? Honestly, what turned you off?

Although he'll argue differently, the principle one (from what I could gather ) was when STYX got on the radio with BBT. This served as the impetus for Monker to swear off Journey for good. Finally, he had an band that he could be proud of!. STYX, a dinosaur rock band, had done the impossible: breaching the allegedly impenetrable radio charts! With that, he pledged his devout support for STYX because they were now culturally "relevant" again whereas Journey was still dawdling about in purgatorial nostalgia-circuit wasteland.

NOTE: Yet another shared similarity between the Perry-pod-people and Monker is how they both are concerned with shallow, superficial matters such as venue size, album ranking, etc. etc.

[perryfaithful]

Nobody here is arguing that Neal and Ross are great singers, giving each member a song was quirky, offbeat and different.

And I am quite sorry that this is what Journey "evolved" (a favorite word here?) to. Not my idea of Journey! What really worked for Journey seems to be sadly dismissed...gone..............

[NealIsGod]

And I am quite sorry that this is what Journey "evolved" (a favorite word here?) to. Not my idea of Journey! What really worked for Journey seems to be sadly dismissed...gone..............

You mean your idea of what worked for Journey quit on them. Twice.

[Monker]

There are those that would argue that moving on without Perry is a stupid decision. What's ur point? What separates u from them? As far as I can tell ur just another former fan now out with an axe to grind.

Oh, please...I hardly ever even talk about this stuff. The only reason I continue talking about it now is because you keep saying I have an agenda, or "an axe to grind", or whatever other way you choose to misrepresent me. I even backed off this argument on the mailing list because I simply didn't care to get into it. If I had "an axe to grind", I'd be banned from BT, kicked off the mailing list, and making the argument MUCH more often here.

This is what I said in a recent Email to somebody...I was talking about Styx, but it applies to ANY band, "They (any band, actualy) should just do what THEY want to do, have fun with it, and do it the best they can. The fans will either like it, or not. If they didn't like it, well, at least they had fun, at least
they know they put forth their best effort."

The reply back said, "Ultimately, they have to be happy. To be successful, they also have to understand marketing, but there's a comfortable compromise in there."

I thought about explaing the above a bit clearer...but, I don't feel like taking the time. The bottom line is that I don't think Journey has that balance between doing what they want to be happy and understanding marketing and offering the buying public (not necessarily people on Journey forums) with something they want to spend their money on.

The way you and Froy react to change as such an anathema is truly something to witness. Are we fans of the same band? Journey has always been evolving.

People either accept the changes, or they don't. Just because someone doesn't like the change that was made does not mean they have some type of inability to accept change or are totaly against any change. But, the bottom line for me is that having Ross sing on a Journey album is like having Neal take over keyboards and Jon do lead guitar. WHY? Just because THEY want to? It makes no sense at all.

If you have zero interest in this group whatsoever why are you lounging around here?

Cuz, there is always a small hope that Neal will come to his senses and be as excited for the future of Journey as he is for the future of SS. Until then, IMO, Journey is Neal's side dish and SS is the main entree.

Faith in the Heartland is better than State of Grace and all of Red 13 combined. I'm not one for bombastic hyperbole but it's as near close to a Journey masterpiece as I think we're likely to ever see.

I don't know if I agree with that opinion or not...since I haven't even listened to that whole song, and I'm not even sure if that is the clip I listened to.

[Monker]

Why don't you care, Monker? Honestly, what turned you off?

Well, it goes back to SS.

We waited for years for a Journey album. We hear from Augeri once in a while that they are 'writing'. But, that is about all we hear. Then we hear from Neal that SS was written and recorded and released within something like three months. That seems to me to be where Neal's passion lies now. His guitar is speaking SS, not Journey. I think his wallet speaks Journey. I don't hear any passion for Journey from Neal. I don't feel like he has Journey on his mind nearly as much as SS.

So, Journey finaly says they are releasing an album...which I didn't think they would do, oh, well. They announce the tour and the pre-sale tickets for fans...which I felt, and still feel, is a total rip-off and don't know why anybody would do it. They announce they are giving the CD away at shows...but they are not officialy releasing it until midway through the tour...which I think is another dumb decision.

So, there are all of these things that I feel are wrong...and very little that I think they are doing right. Yeah, at least they released an album, at least they are touring, but so much surrounding it seems wrong that it kills any passion that I may feel towards it...and there is still SS as the entree instead of Journey.

As far as NC and his words about Styx. Liking one band doesn't affect what I think of the other. The truth is that I have always liked Styx' convert performances better then Journey's. I have listened to Cyclorama FAR more then Arrival. Just because I feel Styx is doing a better job at keeping themselves happy, keeping their fans happy, AND found a way to get people to both buy their albums and get on the charts AND found a way to get on the radio, does not mean that I think less of Journey. Journey shoots their own feet with bad decisions, Styx isn't holding the gun.

[Red13JoePa]

TTTTTTOOOOONNNNNNNSSSSSSSS of fodder to think about in this topic. All have raised really good points....I've got mixed emotions about the SS sequel already-in-the-making thing but it must just be easier to crank that stuff out than JRNY for a myriad of reasons. World Play hit me over the head at first, then it fell outa favor with me, now I'm really coming around on it again especially Peephole and stuff like that. I'm looking forward to what comes next but I do NOT want it to be at JRNY's expense either.

[jrnyman28]

Clearly u have never heard him live in concert. The guy's been singing with the band for three years now and you've yet to hear him even once? So let me get this straight; you haven't seen a Journey concert in nearly half a decade, you don't own Generations and you don't care if this band ever puts out new music again?

I had also not heard Deen sing until "Generations" and then on Tuesday. He has a good voice. But I, too, thought it would somehow be "more" with the way he was talked about. Deen is extremely talented...but I would like the vocals to stick with Steve. "Focus"

Faith in the Heartland is better than State of Grace and all of Red 13 combined. I'm not one for bombastic hyperbole but it's as near close to a Journey masterpiece as I think we're likely to ever see.

This is an opinion and should be stated as such.
I do not think it is better than all of RED13 combined. But I love the song.

[jrnyman28]

The bottom line is that I don't think Journey has that balance between doing what they want to be happy and understanding marketing and offering the buying public (not necessarily people on Journey forums) with something they want to spend their money on.

I agree completely! Journey takes a good idea and runs with it. There is no one reigning them in a little. My word for the day is "focus". Journey has little.

[jrnyman28]

Journey shoots their own feet with bad decisions, Styx isn't holding the gun.

True.

And I agree that the SS situation seems like a distraction. But I am happy with the results on "Generations" so I can let that go.

Journey certainly can be frustrating at times. We have all found things to criticize. But it does not deter my love of their music and appreciation for their talent.

[The_Noble_Cause]

And I am quite sorry that this is what Journey "evolved" (a favorite word here?) to. Not my idea of Journey!

Your idea of Journey is anything with Perry on lead vocals. You don't care if it brazenly deviates from any sort of "signature" Journey sound of the past. The only imperative issue for u is that Perry be there, regardless if its a sub-standard release or not (for proof, witness ur undying love of the horrid ROR).

[The_Noble_Cause]

I had also not heard Deen sing until "Generations" and then on Tuesday. He has a good voice. But I, too, thought it would somehow be "more" with the way he was talked about.

Then clearly you caught him on one of those anomalous off nights. When I saw him, everyone around me had their jaws drop to the floor. Two guys in front of me (both in a cover band as it turned out) pointed to Steve and whispered to me "that guy's days may be numbered".

"Focus"

I agree. Let's "focus" on Journey with Steve and Deen on lead vocals. Twice the talent, twice the show.

[Monker]

What really worked for Journey seems to be sadly dismissed...gone...

It's ironic to read a Perry fan writing this...What REALLY worked for Journey were the songs on the Escape and Frontiers album. When Steve Perry "took the reins" from Herbie, and the keys from the band, and headed off in a different direction for ROR.

Gone was the duet between Perry's vocals and Neal's guitar.
Gone was the classic piano sound of the Whale.
Gone were the drum and bass sounds of Smith/Valory.
Gone were true rock sounds and songs.
Gone were the Scarab and almost any other theme from the previous albums.
And, after the album and tour, Journey itself was gone for ten years.

What REALLY worked for Journey was dismissed under Steve Perry's watch and guidence thru the ROR experience...and that is a LOT more change then having other members sing lead vocals.

[The_Noble_Cause]

the bottom line for me is that having Ross sing on a Journey album is like having Neal take over keyboards and Jon do lead guitar. WHY? Just because THEY want to? It makes no sense at all.

YAWN.
We get it, dude. You don't like the fact that Ross or Neal sing on the album. As stated before, the variegation of lead singers is a minscule part of this release. Ross and Neal sing a combined total of two paltry tracks-that's it.
What's with ur obscene fixation on this?
So u don't like two tracks- big deal.
Ever hear of a skip button?
Ever hear of a little something called "free will"?
From the way you talk, one would think u never owned an album with tracks u don't care for in ur entire life.


You're being as obstinate as the Perryzealots. They don't like Steve Augeri and ergo, common sense would dicate that they shouldn't listen and go about their merry way.
It's simple, really.
Similarly you don't like Neal and Ross singing, so don't listen.
Again, it's only two measly tracks - not a big deal.
I actually agree with you on principle (that Steve and Deen should be doing all the tunes), but the Neal/Ross songs are cool and as long as this doesn't become an album staple, I really don't see it as a issue.
Hopefully on the next album the singers will be limited to Jon, Steve and Deen.

Now how about you talk about some of the things the album gets right?

[jrnyman28]

I had also not heard Deen sing until "Generations" and then on Tuesday. He has a good voice. But I, too, thought it would somehow be "more" with the way he was talked about.

Then clearly you caught him on one of those anomalous off nights. When I saw him, everyone around me had their jaws drop to the floor. Two guys in front of me (both in a cover band as it turned out) pointed to Steve and whispered to me "that guy's days may be numbered".

There was nothing wrong with Deen's voice or performance. He sang well. He just did not meet the standards I expected based on the reviews I read.

"Focus"

I agree. Let's "focus" on Journey with Steve and Deen on lead vocals. Twice the talent, twice the show.

I just want Journey to FOCUS on a common goal. They seem to be all over the place. Everything is ok but it could be great with a little focus.

[Monker]

Now how about you talk about some of the things the album gets right?

Well, it has a scarab on the cover.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Now how about you talk about some of the things the album gets right?

Well, it has a scarab on the cover.

That's a start!

Monker, when u actually do hear the album, will u post ur thoughts?

[jrnyman28]

[I actually agree with you on principle (that Steve and Deen should be doing all the tunes), but the Neal/Ross songs are cool and as long as this doesn't become an album staple, I really don't see it as a issue.
Hopefully on the next album the singers will be limited to Jon, Steve and Deen.

Now how about you talk about some of the things the album gets right?

If they were to release as a single any of the songs sung by anyone but Steve (other than Every Generation since I think it has the MOST commercial possibilities) I would probably jump off...

[jrnyman28]

Now how about you talk about some of the things the album gets right?

Well, it has a scarab on the cover.

Too bad it is a poor reworked rendition of the Captured Scarab that looks like it was C&P'd onto a GOOGLE™ picture from the Huble telescope.

[jrnyman28]

Monker, when u actually do hear the album, will u post ur thoughts?

WILL Monker listen to the CD?

[The_Noble_Cause]

If they were to release as a single any of the songs sung by anyone but Steve (other than Every Generation since I think it has the MOST commercial possibilities) I would probably jump off...

Hey, if it's catchy then it's got "commerical possibilities".
I would be cool if they pushed a Deen track.