Journey Foulup Again

[Soledad?]

My opinion is informed, Oh Noble Cause. It's informed by the listening to of Arrival, that generically bland "come-back" album by the formerly grand Journey.

And I never said Journey were touring any time recently other than now. Show me where I said that, Oh Noble One.

[Soledad?]

Oh, and while Tall Stories may have not officially been a cover band, the fact that Augeri sang for them means they sounded similar to Journey at least vocally - therefore, they reeked of Journey Clones.

[The_Noble_Cause]

My opinion is informed, Oh Noble Cause. It's informed by the listening to of Arrival, that generically bland "come-back" album by the formerly grand Journey.

Maybe Sony mandated that the guys create an album that most closely resembled, safe, conventional radio-friendly JRNY works of the past.
Ever think of that?
The guys only confirmed it a million times now.
Once again you prove you aren't informed on the topic at hand.
Besides, ur overstating the case.
"Arrival" had alot of valid stuff on there.
Some fluff, but the good easily outweighs the bad.

And I never said Journey were touring any time recently other than now. Show me where I said that, Oh Noble One.

You just said that Augeri was hampering the thriving of this band.
Well the band wasn't touring when Augeri was brought into the fold and they hadn't been for over a decade.
By all accounts, if Perry wasn't supplanted in 98, the band still wouldn't be touring.
So explain, just how is Augeri impeding the flourishment of something that was techinically stagnant?

[The_Noble_Cause]

Oh, and while Tall Stories may have not officially been a cover band,

But u said they were a cover band - there is a difference.
Just admit it, u don't know jack about what ur discussing.

the fact that Augeri sang for them means they sounded similar to Journey at least vocally - therefore, they reeked of Journey Clones.

Oh please.
So because a guy is endowed with a slightly similar timbre and pitch to Perry, his talent should be automatically dismissed and he should be barred from singing?
Your arguments are getting worse and worse.

[Abitaman]

My opinion is informed, Oh Noble Cause. It's informed by the listening to of Arrival, that generically bland "come-back" album by the formerly grand Journey.

I thought the generically bland "come back" cd was Trail by Fire-ERIC

[Abitaman]

Oh, and while Tall Stories may have not officially been a cover band, the fact that Augeri sang for them means they sounded similar to Journey at least vocally - therefore, they reeked of Journey Clones.

Have you listened to Tall Stories? It does not sound like a clone job to me-ERIC

[Rockindeano]

My opinion is informed, Oh Noble Cause. It's informed by the listening to of Arrival, that generically bland "come-back" album by the formerly grand Journey.

I thought the generically bland "come back" cd was Trail by Fire-ERIC

Two things.

1) Eric, their "comeback" album was Trial by Fire, Trail by Fire Just kiddin bro.. Also, it was only a smokescreen..Perry had NO intentions of touring, and Jon and Neal were duped....There was never going to be a tour.

2) Noble Cause, you are wasting your time with this shithead..He/she has no validity; it's just someone dressed as a Loon, ruffling your feathers. let "it" go.

[OpeningAct]

Oh, and while Tall Stories may have not officially been a cover band, the fact that Augeri sang for them means they sounded similar to Journey at least vocally - therefore, they reeked of Journey Clones.

Gee, so Steve Perry is a Sam Cooke clone then... What a ridiculous premise Soledad!

[Rockindeano]

Gee, so Steve Perry is a Sam Cooke clone then... What a ridiculous premise Soledad!

Now that is a phenominal statement, OA. Nicely done.

[OpeningAct]

Gee, so Steve Perry is a Sam Cooke clone then... What a ridiculous premise Soledad!

Now that is a phenominal statement, OA. Nicely done.

Hey, what have you done with RnD imposter...
Kidding Deano! Thanks....

[Rockindeano]

Gee, so Steve Perry is a Sam Cooke clone then... What a ridiculous premise Soledad!

Now that is a phenominal statement, OA. Nicely done.

Hey, what have you done with RnD imposter...
Kidding Deano! Thanks....

Your're welcome OA. This Soledad thing is about the dumbest sumbitch I have ever seen. If you are going to argue, at least be prepared. This somebody goes in to battle with no bullets. NobleCause just lit him/her up like a Christmas tree. Not much he/she can say...Embarrassing...

[Fernando Ramirez]

He may be the least Perry-esque, but that doesn't mean he's not Perry-ISH. It's too close for comfort, quite frankly. Casual Journey fans can discern the glaring similarities, so I don't think your argument holds water.

I don't remember being posed with question of who should have replaced him. I don't have the answer to that - why should I? There are gazillions of singers out there - some famous, some obscure. The band could have combed through some of the least Perry-ish possibilities, and zoned in on someone competent, with their own style.

Instead they complacently went with Perry Twin Augeri.

You state you don't have the answer of who should have replaced Perry. And you state "why should I?" Maybe 'cause you keep bitching and moaning about Augeri. I know hundreds of people who love to complain but offer no solutions.. congrats, you just joined my list.

If you don't have anything meaningful to add, maybe you should go elsewhere. We all KNOW how you feel about Augeri... we got the FRICKIN' POINT when you FIRST STARTED POSTING.

[Andrew]

Oh, and while Tall Stories may have not officially been a cover band, the fact that Augeri sang for them means they sounded similar to Journey at least vocally - therefore, they reeked of Journey Clones.

Tall Stories as a band were NOTHING like Journey. Great bunch of players that remain in the business today.

[Red13JoePa]

Somebody who knows how to use a computer please paste a damn side-by-side of Journey's Steve Augeri and session backing vocalist Steve Perry. Then Soledad and the others who keep saying Augeri LOOKS like Steve Perry can see that there is no resemblance whatsoever. He might sound like him (by the way, what is that argument? Does he sound like Perry or isn't he a good singer? Can't have it both ways) but that's where it ends.

[jrnyman28]

Yup. She said it: Augeri=Perry Doppelganger.

Meant as a compliment.

The look,

Are you kidding me? You have obviously not SEEN Steve.

the vocal style...too eerily similar.

For you, but not for MANY others.

How sad, when there are other singers out there withdifferent vocal styles who could perform the music competently, and yet bring something fresh to the band.

But, as already stated, the band felt it was important to have someone who could sing the hits the way they were written and recorded...the way they were when they were popular. In the end, I believe there are MORE fans who want to hear this music played the SAME WAY it was written, not in a different style. Hell, if they wanted a different sound, Journey could have just waited (the rest of their lives) for Perry to return...since he sings differently "now".

[jrnyman28]

He may be the least Perry-esque, but that doesn't mean he's not Perry-ISH. It's too close for comfort, quite frankly.

See my above post RE: the band's decision.

Casual Journey fans can discern the glaring similarities, so I don't think your argument holds water.

Funny how discern makes it sound like you are talking about 'differences'...I don't know why. But the fact remains that MOST fans (I believe) prefer the songs performed the SAME WAY as when they were popular.

The band could have combed through some of the least Perry-ish possibilities, and zoned in on someone competent, with their own style.

Could have, if that is what they WANTED.

Instead they complacently went with Perry Twin Augeri.

Perry-twin? NO! Talented, humble individual with his own style, but capable of sounding very similar to Perry when necessary.

[perryfaithful]

This is Harley week in Sturgis....there should have been TONS of fans and GOOD ones at this!

[jrnyman28]

No, I haven't seen Tall Stories. I had not even heard of Tall Stories until Agueri. Why would I want to see a Journey cover band with a second-rate singer?

So, is the problem that you think he sounds TOO MUCH like Perry, or that you think he is not talented?
How can someone sound too much like Perry and still be "not talented"?

No, I haven't seen the New Journey live, either.

So how can you comment on what the band soounds like LIVE?

[jrnyman28]

My opinions are based on listening to the god-awful Arrival.

OK, so you don't like Arrival. That's fine. But you are condemning everything about the band based on ONE CD. And if you have seen any of the history of Arrival, you would know that Sony dictated what they wanted to hear. And that was the same sound as the "classic era" of Journey. Sony handpicked the songs that most resembled that time period. And that is not how this band sounds now.

Of course, Neal acted wimpishly, when he could have stood up to Perry; after all, it was Neal's band initially. So, Neal shares in the blame for the demise.

Here we agree.

If I hear Generations

How is that going to happen?

Augeri is a mediocre vocal talent who is hampering the thriving of this once-great band.

And how can you say that when you have NOT SEEN THEM LIVE?
Also, as TNC pointed out, Steve is enabling Journey, not hampering them. Without Steve, there would be no Journey.

[jrnyman28]

My opinion is informed, Oh Noble Cause. It's informed by the listening to of Arrival, that generically bland "come-back" album by the formerly grand Journey.

That is like tasting Pepsi and deciding it tastes worse than any other cola when you haven't tasted any other cola. (Wait, did we just come back to the "New Coke" Classic Coke" thing again...Deano, you stud!)

[jrnyman28]

Oh, and while Tall Stories may have not officially been a cover band, the fact that Augeri sang for them means they sounded similar to Journey at least vocally - therefore, they reeked of Journey Clones.

You didn't do well with Theorems in Geometry did you?
First off, you have not heard Steve live. You have not heard Steve with Tall Stories. But because Steve sang like Perry on Arrival he MUST sound like that on a recording from 12 years ago.
Then, because Steve MUST have sounded like Perry way back then, the rest of the band must also sound like Journey. Therfore, in your mind, Tall Stories were Journey Clones! That is quite the leap in logic!

Thank you Andrew for commenting on this one!

[jrnyman28]

I thought the generically bland "come back" cd was Trail by Fire-ERIC

Thank you Eric!

[jrnyman28]

Oh, and while Tall Stories may have not officially been a cover band, the fact that Augeri sang for them means they sounded similar to Journey at least vocally - therefore, they reeked of Journey Clones.

Gee, so Steve Perry is a Sam Cooke clone then... What a ridiculous premise Soledad!

Very nice OA!

[jrnyman28]

He might sound like him (by the way, what is that argument? Does he sound like Perry or isn't he a good singer? Can't have it both ways) but that's where it ends.

I said the same thing before I read this post! It is interesting how they do that isn't it?

[jrnyman28]

There, I think I am caught up! Damn, I missed a lot!

[Soledad?]

You all are like caged tigers. Don't threaten the Journey fans, god forbid!

Perry rules, Augeri bites. FACT.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Perry rules, Augeri bites. FACT.

FACT:
Your opinion is baseless and predicated strictly on residual emotion over Perry's absence.
FACT:
You have only heard one Augeri album.
FACT:
You don't own the Augeri/Journey dvd.
FACT:
You don't own Red 13 or the Generations releases.
FACT:
You don't own Tall Stories or Tyketto.
FACT:
You have never seen Augeri live in concert
FACT
You are clearly not qualified to talk about what Augeri is and isn't capable of.

[The_Noble_Cause]

You all are like caged tigers. Don't threaten the Journey fans, god forbid!

To the contrary, current lineup fans welcome informed debate or criticism. Go read Jeremy's pejorative review of the latest Augeri/Journey album. It is a largely negative review, but it was welcomed here.
He wasn't attacked.
Why?
Because the guy bolsters his opinion with air tight facts and rational, sound argument, (something up until this point, u sadly have yet to do).
In layman's terms; you simply don't seem to know jack about what you're discussing.

You say this band doesn't take risks, I refuted that and listed several risks for u to consider, but you wouldn't concede even an inch; u let your anti-Augeri sentiments get in the way of recognizing even the simplest of truths.

That to me isn't real discussion.

Take off the partisan blinders and then maybe more people here will be receptive to your thoughts.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Perry rules, Augeri bites. FACT.

Even if that were true, Perry is willfully and contentedly retired, so what exactly is ur point again?

[Andrew]

You all are like caged tigers. Don't threaten the Journey fans, god forbid!

Perry rules, Augeri bites. FACT.

Perhaps you would feel more at home at another forum?