My First Year as New Journey Manager

[Rockindeano]

AND I can tell you this much right now: They will NEVER be as popular without Perry on board. That is not an opinion, that is fact. Augeri might be well-liked among some fans, and that's great. But many people view him as Perry II. They want the real thing. I'm not saying Augeri isn't real in his own way, just that Journey built its commercial legacy on Perry's voice, not Augeri's, and they see him as a facsimile, and they feel cheated.

Flame me all you want, but it's the truth.

I would love to post a response to you, but I can't stop laughing at you..You are a pathetic loser, who's only option is to tear down something, because you have nothing you can tout. It's just not you, but ALL the Perry whackos on here....see, THIS IS THE TRUTH..they have nothing they can applaud right now..oh, sorry, that background vocal classic by the Man... sorry I forgot that..anyway, so Journey is popular enough to be able to tear it down, and that's what they try to do..It really is depressing to see..PF is flatout deranged. Oh Sherrie is losing it fast..HOTS? haven't seen that guy in weeks, so maybe he gave up..PROPERRY, same story..Soledad, I don't know what gender you are, but you might as well go sleep on the freeway..your arguments are so weak, and narrow sighted...I just can't but help feel sorry for you..

[The_Noble_Cause]

I don't see what the big deal is about Journey being "big" again. Who cares? If you like them, that's all that counts. Why do they have to be as huge as they once were?

I agree.

[jrnyman28]

AND I can tell you this much right now: They will NEVER be as popular without Perry on board.

Even WITH Perry, Journey will never be as big as they were...

[Fernando Ramirez]

I don't see what the big deal is about Journey being "big" again. Who cares? If you like them, that's all that counts. Why do they have to be as huge as they once were?

They don't have to be as huge as they were before. But we like the band, we CARE FOR THE BAND, it's music, what it stands for... and dammit, you have to admire that the band is FIGHTING to get out there, play live, put out new music, and to basically rally fans to once more get behind a dying genre of music they helped define.

They are RELENTLESSLY PURSUING their music AGAINST ALL THE ODDS: biased radio, big corporate record companies, the loss of quite possibly the best rock singer of all time, the loss of one of the top ten managers of all time, ageism, the Hardline guys, and you, Mr. Soledad. Hell, if they can get past all of that, they deserve to be the kings of the world.

[jrnyman28]

They don't have to be as huge as they were before. But we like the band, we CARE FOR THE BAND, it's music, what it stands for... and dammit, you have to admire that the band is FIGHTING to get out there, play live, put out new music, and to basically rally fans to once more get behind a dying genre of music they helped define.

Well, I don't know how much "fighting" they are doing. Journey seems content to take the (mostly) easy road. But they ARE still out there doing it, that IS a good thing.

They are RELENTLESSLY PURSUING their music AGAINST ALL THE ODDS: biased radio, big corporate record companies, the loss of quite possibly the best rock singer of all time, the loss of one of the top ten managers of all time, ageism, the Hardline guys, and you, Mr. Soledad. Hell, if they can get past all of that, they deserve to be the kings of the world.

This is a great post!

[Soledad?]

They are RELENTLESSLY PURSUING their music AGAINST ALL THE ODDS: biased radio, big corporate record companies, the loss of quite possibly the best rock singer of all time, the loss of one of the top ten managers of all time, ageism, the Hardline guys, and you, Mr. Soledad. Hell, if they can get past all of that, they deserve to be the kings of the world.

Wow, I have that much clout! Woo hoo!

I would say they are relentlessly pursuing their music because they like money and fame, not because they're really passionate about music. Naturally, they aren't getting as much fame as they used to, but I think they enjoy coasting on past glories.

I think Soul Sirkus would be a better vehicle for Neal at this point. I haven't heard it yet, but it sounds different and fresh. Maybe it's not that fresh soudning, but at least he's broadening his horizons, playing outside of the Journey box a bit. He should probably just do solo stuff from here on out, and he should have started pursuing that path long ago, considering his large talents.

[Angiekay]

They are RELENTLESSLY PURSUING their music AGAINST ALL THE ODDS: biased radio, big corporate record companies,

There are radio stations out there wanting, REQUESTING to play their music but when asked for the new album are being told NO. That doesn't sound like biased radio to me.

[jrnyman28]

Welcome Angie,
I would say that the radio stations that are asking for the CD (such as yours was) are the exception. There is still a mass-conglomeration of companies, such as Clear Channel, that will not care about the new CD. CC owns the majority of radio stations in the nation. There is another company that owns almost as many. Add the two up and you get approximately 90% of the radio stations in the nation. That is a pretty hard nut to crack.

I would assume, however, that once Sanctuary gets going with "Generations" (based on the recent information) that you WILL see the CDs being distributed to radio.

The nice thing could be that there will be surplus CDs from the tour (because of the venues that could not hand them out) that will be available for radio.

[Rockindeano]

They are RELENTLESSLY PURSUING their music AGAINST ALL THE ODDS: biased radio, big corporate record companies,

There are radio stations out there wanting, REQUESTING to play their music but when asked for the new album are being told NO. That doesn't sound like biased radio to me.

No it doesn't. Sounds like idiocy on the part of the band to me.

[NealIsGod]

Deano, please stop criticizing Journey. How can you be a fan and still say such mean and hurtful things about them?

[Angiekay]

Welcome Angie,
I would say that the radio stations that are asking for the CD (such as yours was) are the exception. There is still a mass-conglomeration of companies, such as Clear Channel, that will not care about the new CD. CC owns the majority of radio stations in the nation. There is another company that owns almost as many. Add the two up and you get approximately 90% of the radio stations in the nation. That is a pretty hard nut to crack.

That second biggest company is Cumulus and that is the company that owns us. I have never seen evidence of them control what we can play and what we can't. We play past and presents with artists all the time. Eric Clapton, Styx, Bad Company, Paul McCartney etc. Get the record to the stations and they will play it.

[PROPERRY]

AND I can tell you this much right now: They will NEVER be as popular without Perry on board. That is not an opinion, that is fact. Augeri might be well-liked among some fans, and that's great. But many people view him as Perry II. They want the real thing. I'm not saying Augeri isn't real in his own way, just that Journey built its commercial legacy on Perry's voice, not Augeri's, and they see him as a facsimile, and they feel cheated.

Flame me all you want, but it's the truth.

I'm in agreement with MOST of what you said, Souldad?!!!

I agree with you TOTALLY that "we want the real thing", but I do NOT view Augeri as a Perry II. I'm not knocking Augeri, he is ok, but I just don't think Augeri sounds like Perry at all.

Lori

[yak]

You are a pathetic loser, who's only option is to tear down something, because you have nothing you can tout. It's just not you, but ALL the Perry whackos on here....see, THIS IS THE TRUTH..they have nothing they can applaud right now..oh, sorry, that background vocal classic by the Man... sorry I forgot that..anyway, so Journey is popular enough to be able to tear it down, and that's what they try to do..

SO true. People sometimes have to take out their frustrations on the nearest person, when things didn't go as they planned. You have absolutely nothing to add, never have, and never will. Go buy that Pack CD, the one that was three years in the making, put your feet up, have a glass of wine, but don't blink because you'll miss your beloved's part....

Misery loves company...they're just trying to get some.

It really is depressing to see..PF is flatout deranged. Oh Sherrie is losing it fast..HOTS? haven't seen that guy in weeks, so maybe he gave up..PROPERRY, same story..Soledad, I don't know what gender you are, but you might as well go sleep on the freeway..your arguments are so weak, and narrow sighted...I just can't but help feel sorry for you..

So true, Dean has them pegged. Except for HOTS; trust me, 'he' is here in some configuration.......

[yak]

Wow, I have that much clout! Woo hoo!

No, not really. That Woo Hoo sounds slightly familiar.

I would say they are relentlessly pursuing their music because they like money and fame, not because they're really passionate about music. Naturally, they aren't getting as much fame as they used to, but I think they enjoy coasting on past glories.

I think anybody working is doing it partially for the money. Money's what makes the world go round. They're not passionate about their music Neal has been playing ever since he was a kid. Something similar for Jon. He once told his dad as a child he would someday write songs and play in front of 20,000 people!

What are past glories to you? Perry, I suppose. Look at it this way...If there hadn't been a Journey that pounded the pavement and paid their dues and drove around in a station wagon, there would have been NO band for Perry to sneak his way into, and oust the former lead singer. From the way I look at it, Perry waltzed into a cushy job and I don't think he ever paid his dues with Journey. Oh, and don't forget, he doesn't want to be associated at all with Journey (which is fine with me) so he probably isn't too comfortable with strangers coming to a message board to defend something he no longer wants.

I think Soul Sirkus would be a better vehicle for Neal at this point. I haven't heard it yet, but it sounds different and fresh. Maybe it's not that fresh soudning, but at least he's broadening his horizons, playing outside of the Journey box a bit. He should probably just do solo stuff from here on out, and he should have started pursuing that path long ago, considering his large talents.

Like Neal needs your opinion of how he should conduct his music career........Don't make me laugh.......FYI...Neal HAS an awesome solo album out RIGHT NOW!

[Soledad?]

I'm not knocking Journey to be knocking them, I'm just saying what's true.

Yes, I know that Neal has a solo album out, and that's great. But I think he should focus on that and other avenues rather than push ahead with the whole Journey thing. 'Cause it just ain't workin'. Arena rock has had its day, and Journey is just an aftertought. No one goes to Journey shows to only hear Faith in the Heartland (well, maybe some psychos from Back Talk do); they go to Journey shows to hear the band's glory day hits. If Journey just played concerts showcasing only their new stuff, very few people would bother to purchase a ticket. Big yawn.

The Journey has ended. Time for Neal to strike out completely on his own, and leave the others to fend for themselves.

[Rockindeano]

I'm not knocking Journey to be knocking them, I'm just saying what's true.

Yes, I know that Neal has a solo album out, and that's great. But I think he should focus on that and other avenues rather than push ahead with the whole Journey thing. 'Cause it just ain't workin'. Arena rock has had its day, and Journey is just an aftertought. No one goes to Journey shows to only hear Faith in the Heartland (well, maybe some psychos from Back Talk do); they go to Journey shows to hear the band's glory day hits. If Journey just played concerts showcasing only their new stuff, very few people would bother to purchase a ticket. Big yawn.

The Journey has ended. Time for Neal to strike out completely on his own, and leave the others to fend for themselves.

I think I am not only "in the right saying this, but also obligated as well..

FUCK YOU!

Gee Andrew, haven't seen that guy HOTS around lately..Think it is him?? I 'll bet you my blue balls it's a Loon in drag?

[Soledad?]

How sad that you feel so threatened by my words.

Maybe you need to knock back a few and chill for a bit.

All I'm saying is that Journey is at the end of their, um, Journey. Many bands are; it's no big deal. Rolling Stones should've quit ages ago, but still they ride, much to the chagrin of the industry. Who wants to see Mick gyrating his saggy loin?

I am not Hots, or any other poster. I am me, Soledad?

There, feel better?

[NealIsGod]

How sad that you feel so threatened by my words.

Maybe you need to knock back a few and chill for a bit.

All I'm saying is that Journey is at the end of their, um, Journey. Many bands are; it's no big deal. Rolling Stones should've quit ages ago, but still they ride, much to the chagrin of the industry. Who wants to see Mick gyrating his saggy loin?

Well, millions of people. I hate the Stones, but there is no denying their popularity. I think people just want to say they saw them, b/c they sure are old and crusty.

[JourneyTroll]

How sad that you feel so threatened by my words.

Maybe you need to knock back a few and chill for a bit.

All I'm saying is that Journey is at the end of their, um, Journey. Many bands are; it's no big deal. Rolling Stones should've quit ages ago, but still they ride, much to the chagrin of the industry. Who wants to see Mick gyrating his saggy loin?

I am not Hots, or any other poster. I am me, Soledad?

There, feel better?

Why should The Rolling Stones quit when they continue to entertain their millions of fans all over the world. Face it. If the fans didn't like the Stones, then they wouldn't be going to their shows. EG: The Kinks.

Journeytroll

[Fernando Ramirez]

There are radio stations out there wanting, REQUESTING to play their music but when asked for the new album are being told NO. That doesn't sound like biased radio to me. [/color][/size][/b]

You work for a radio station? Then you should know who ELIOT SPITZER is. He's the NY State Attorney General. He's breathing down your boss's neck.

http://www.oag.state.ny.us/press/2005/j ... 5a_05.html

And no, SONY ain't the only one doing this. Biased radio is the correct term for this. When you accept PAYOLA, you are BIASED. But they will all go down, and freedom will ring once again... and Journey will be PLAYED!!!

[Angiekay]

You work for a radio station? Then you should know who ELIOT SPITZER is. He's the NY State Attorney General. He's breathing down your boss's neck.

http://www.oag.state.ny.us/press/2005/j ... 5a_05.html

And no, SONY ain't the only one doing this. Biased radio is the correct term for this. When you accept PAYOLA, you are BIASED. But they will all go down, and freedom will ring once again... and Journey will be PLAYED!!!

When you accept payola, you are BREAKING THE LAW, it has nothing to do with being biased. I don't give a damn about the NY state attorney general. HE isn't the one on the phone when we call Journey managment asking for a copy of Generations and he wasn't the one saying, "sorry, you can't have one". HE isn't the one making my playlist. When he does then I"ll care whether his name means two squats to this conversation.When Journey's managment decides radio stations are good enough to play their new songs, then they will be played on the radio again. OR, by then program directors are going to say, Thanks, but no thanks, too little too late.

[Rockindeano]

Hi there Angie. Aren't you glad I turned you on?...

to this site?

I think he is trying to say that Spitzer is busting those ass clowns who do accept payment in return for playing shit records...

It's ok.....

[jrnyman28]

I have a feeling the reason Journey can't do anything yet is the European Release of "Generations" through Frontiers. When the time gets closer to October 4th, I imagine a little more will start happening. The radio stations that ARE playing "Generations" are probably playing a copy someone received from the show. Well, except for that Hawaii station...

[Angiekay]

Hi there Angie. Aren't you glad I turned you on?...

to this site?

I think he is trying to say that Spitzer is busting those ass clowns who do accept payment in return for playing shit records...

It's ok.....

Yeah, thanks! Now I'm going to get in all sorts of trouble HERE! lol

[Rockindeano]

Hi there Angie. Aren't you glad I turned you on?...

to this site?

I think he is trying to say that Spitzer is busting those ass clowns who do accept payment in return for playing shit records...

It's ok.....

Yeah, thanks! Now I'm going to get in all sorts of trouble HERE! lol

No, just stand by me..

And when the Perry freaks attack, fight like you never have before.... You said the DDY freaks were bad..Honey, they ain't nothing compared to these freaks...

[Angiekay]

And when the Perry freaks attack, fight like you never have before.... You said the DDY freaks were bad..Honey, they ain't nothing compared to these freaks...

You know, I have nothing against people who like Steve Perry. Hell, *I* like Steve Perry. "She's Mine" is one of my favorite songs ever. Much like the Dennis DeYoung situation, I can understand the frustration. I like SP, I like DDY. I like Augeri(that boy is F.I.N.E to look at) and I like Larry Gowan. They are just DIFFERENT. People want it to be like it was and it probably never will be again. Some people just can't move on. The difference between Journey and Styx is, DDY would have NEVER shown up for a star on the Hollywood Walk with the rest of Styx! lol! I can't tell you how many people called me on air when we were announcing Journey wondering who was the ead singer. There were many who were not going to go if it wasn't Steve Perry. I had to talk a few into going! Journey got incredibly lucky to find someone who is almost a dead ringer.

There are so many bands to compare this too. Even though Jim Morrison is dead, people think it's blasphemy what Ian Astbury is doing. Same with Rock Star INXS. For MY part, the new Foreigner without Lou Gramm is driving me to drink! We were having this conversation last month after going to the Rock Never Stops Concert with Ratt's new lead singer(He's HORRIBLE btw). Anyone can play the music and make it sound dead on. Voices are unique and associated with *that* band. They are hard to replace. If you can make it work...great. Be grateful someone is out there replacing them, or instead of rockin' your face, they'd be home watching reruns of Seinfeld, just like you!

I won't even get into the Dave/Sammy debate!

[yak]

What's your radio station, Angie?

I don't give a damn about the NY state attorney general.

Your sorry ass WILL care if you ever have to tangle with the man.

[Angiekay]

What's your radio station, Angie?

I don't give a damn about the NY state attorney general.

Your sorry ass WILL care if you ever have to tangle with the man.

Yeah yeah, blah blah.


It's a classic rock station.

[Rockindeano]

[Anyone can play the music and make it sound dead on.

Whoa. Not with this band. Perry went on his little solo tour, and the guitar player was shit compared with Neal...You have to be careful muttering that on this site.

Also, Yak, The NY AG has no jurisdictional control over South Dakota or any other state..However, if he were to get together with Ms. Clinton, and have her introduce federal legislation, well, then that's how he "may influence Angie."

[yak]

Also, Yak, The NY AG has no jurisdictional control over South Dakota or any other state..However, if he were to get together with Ms. Clinton, and have her introduce federal legislation, well, then that's how he "may influence Angie."

The music industry encompasses the country.

http://www.oag.state.ny.us/press/2005/jul/jul25a_05.html

Some excerpts:

Spitzer said SONY BMG officials cooperated fully with his investigators and promptly agreed to reforms when the problems were identified. He commended the company for taking steps that should serve as a model for the rest of the industry.

Under the agreement, SONY BMG MUSIC ENTERTAINMENT, one of the world's leading record companies and owner of a number of major record labels, has agreed to stop making payments and providing expensive gifts to radio stations and their employees in return for "airplay" for the company's songs.

Such payoffs violate state and federal law.

"Our investigation shows that, contrary to listener expectations that songs are selected for airplay based on artistic merit and popularity, air time is often determined by undisclosed payoffs to radio stations and their employees," Spitzer said. "This agreement is a model for breaking the pervasive influence of bribes in the industry."

After receiving tips from industry insiders, Spitzer's office conducted a year-long investigation and determined that SONY BMG and its record labels had offered a series of inducements to radio stations and their employees to obtain airplay for the recordings by the company's artists.

Spitzer also noted that his office continues its broad investigation of pay-for-play practices in the recorded music industry.