Goddammit!

[Rockindeano]

Does anything beat this!

Being buzzed, listening to live Journey...err, the crowd sing along with the classics(yes, Steve Perry did em).....??

But shit, what a good feeling..to hear Journey live,and the crowd enthusiastically overpower the band!!

If that doesn't make you want to go kiss someone, nothing will...

I am listening to a boot of the main Event, and the crowd gets it.......You feel like you are there.

Abitaman is the man! Thanks sir.

[NealIsGod]

Hey, Deano - If they seriously want to grow as a band, they need to mix in the new stuff as much as possible at the shows. If they keep on playing the hits with very few new songs, then why do they even bother recording new songs? Unfortunately, I think the band would wither and die if they don't play the hits at their shows b/c most "fans" only want to hear those songs. And radio will not play their new stuff, so there will be no more future hits.

Sucks.

[Jeremey]

For the most part, Journey has done a "hits" tour almost every year for the past 6 years! I for one, even with the extended set on this tour, just got tired of seeing them. Sure, a big reason for that was because most drives were around 3 hours, and involved a day of vacation to see them. But do I need to see them play "Wheel In The Sky" one more godforsaken time? And no offense to Steve Augeri, but nearly every time I've seen them he's ducked high notes and struggled on others, so as a singer, maybe that just bothers me more than it would most people.

THAT BEING SAID - I still think the Generations tour is a great step in the right direction. I think ANY band that plays more than 4 new songs in a set (especially with NO radio support) is certifiably insane. But it looks like Journey is really pushing the material on this record and trying to make this more than a greatest hits show.

It's the only thing they COULD have done at this point. Because another greatest hits tour, especially when paired with some past their prime 80's band, would have sent them directly to the corn dog circuit next year. Before you know it they'd be sharing bills with The Doobie Brothers and Kansas at the Dublin Ohio "Soy Days" Festival or whatever.

I like what they are doing this year (just a little overdone at the Irvine show).

[cubby69]

For the most part, Journey has done a "hits" tour almost every year for the past 6 years! I for one, even with the extended set on this tour, just got tired of seeing them. Sure, a big reason for that was because most drives were around 3 hours, and involved a day of vacation to see them. But do I need to see them play "Wheel In The Sky" one more godforsaken time? And no offense to Steve Augeri, but nearly every time I've seen them he's ducked high notes and struggled on others, so as a singer, maybe that just bothers me more than it would most people.

THAT BEING SAID - I still think the Generations tour is a great step in the right direction. I think ANY band that plays more than 4 new songs in a set (especially with NO radio support) is certifiably insane. But it looks like Journey is really pushing the material on this record and trying to make this more than a greatest hits show.

It's the only thing they COULD have done at this point. Because another greatest hits tour, especially when paired with some past their prime 80's band, would have sent them directly to the corn dog circuit next year. Before you know it they'd be sharing bills with The Doobie Brothers and Kansas at the Dublin Ohio "Soy Days" Festival or whatever.

Great post Jeremey, couldn't agree with you more. I almost walked out on the Main Events show for that very reason. We were supposed to hear 'Precious Time' or maybe 'Mother Father', all we got here in Denver was another rehash of the same ole same ole 'so called' classic dirty dozen. This years tour was un-fucking-believable. The pre-Perry material was amazing, a dream come true and to hear FITH, OFHW and EG from the new album made listening to all the rest tolerable, except for maybe Open Arms, if I never hear that song again, in concert on the radio or wherever, it will be to soon.

[jrnyman28]

I agree with Jeremey and NiG. Journey "has" to play the hits. And I got tired of seeing their show because it was still the "Same ole thing". This year was a huge improvement, but too much for a casual fan to handle.

Drop the pre-Perry material (or maybe to a small club tour advertised as ONLY pre-Perry material, but find a way to include Steve's vocal to freshen them up a little. I know Perry used to add some vocaliztion to the pre-Perry stuff when he first started touring with the band.) Drop SOME of the hits (my vote goes to Open Arms), Drop SOME of the 'classics and play a couple more new songs. A 70/30 balance to start. And from here on out, with each tour, subtract from the classics and add to Augeri-era material. Get to a 50/50 maybe even a 40/60 split of old/new. By the time that happens, many of the Augeri-era songs will be live 'classics' like Higher Place.

Journey knows they have to play the dirty dozen...well, get it back down to a dozen!! This is another thing that they should have started after the Arrival Tour. Journey should have never given up on a few Arrival songs. Then they added Red13 songs (which, whether you like the EP or not, sound INCREDIBLE live) but they had dropped the Arrival tunes. Then they could have added the Generations tunes. Play Remember Me, 3 songs from Arrival, then add 2 songs from Red 13, then add 3-4 songs from Generations. Meanwhile Journey has been thinning there classics by the same numbers...by this year they would have been at 10 Augeri-era tunes and they would STILL have time for the 4 pre-Perry's and 16 "hits". Plus, the Augeri-era material would not be as unknown because each year they would have been playing them and growing with them.


And Deano, if you were talking about being buzzed and listening to Journey LIVE AT A SHOW, I would agree 100%. But live CDs just don't really do it for me. Of course, the live CDs I have are Captured and the Arrival DVD rip.

[Rockindeano]

28, I have a boot of the Main Event and love it..Because it is not perfect sound..It is not too good, or too bad..I feel like I am there...Amazing.

And to anyone who has this boot...During Lights, at the beginning, There are some foulups..Hear Cain say, "I can't hear the piano, please!"

Hmm.

Thanks again Abitaman. You rule.

[Red13JoePa]

Yep, a greatl little wart you don't get on real live`albums. The rendition of State Of Grace FLOORS me, as does the crowd's great response to it at the end.

[cudaclan]

I grow tired of hearing the GH. We (son & wife) roll our eyes with 'here we go again'. Ross had to reiterate while playing the pre-Perry songs as the old material not new (Generations). A double-edged sword it is. Please the old and return the casual fan. I for one do get upset with the ignorance of the attendees at times. It was appropriate to drop Voodoo Chile from the set-list. Not to change topic. I wonder how well Styx fans responded with rehashing non-Styx material at their concerts. The CD (Big Bang Theory) is more of a tribute band material.

[The_Noble_Cause]

And no offense to Steve Augeri, but nearly every time I've seen them he's ducked high notes and struggled on others, so as a singer, maybe that just bothers me more than it would most people.

Didn't you once say (on BackTalk) that it looked to u as if Augeri was writhing in pain just trying to sing the songs the natural way they were intended?

Also, as a Journey tribute band singer, what high notes do you find urself having to skip or rely on falsetto more than others (if any at all) ?

[The_Noble_Cause]

28, I have a boot of the Main Event and love it..Because it is not perfect sound..It is not too good, or too bad..I feel like I am there...Amazing.

Eh, I'm not too keen on this boot.
Along with the Main Event boot, Abitman was kind enough to send me a Biloxi 2002 bootleg, now THAT'S the stuff!

And to anyone who has this boot...During Lights, at the beginning, There are some foulups..Hear Cain say, "I can't hear the piano, please!"

Yeah, I just got to that part.
Augeri tries his best to salvage the situation with a little impromptu acapella action. Too funny.

[Red13JoePa]

Oh how right you are, NC. BILOXI is where it's at. Liberty? Check. The Time? Check. blues solo by Neal calling the crowd "badass muthafuckas?" check.
Ballsy maneuver of opening with State Of Grace? Check. Great sound for an audience recording? Absoultely. 2 1/2 hour show? Check. That is the holy grail of JRNY boots until I can come up with Irvine. Abita? How bout it?

[jrnyman28]

Oh how right you are, NC. BILOXI is where it's at. Liberty? Check. The Time? Check. blues solo by Neal calling the crowd "badass muthafuckas?" check.
Ballsy maneuver of opening with State Of Grace? Check. Great sound for an audience recording? Absoultely. 2 1/2 hour show? Check. That is the holy grail of JRNY boots until I can come up with Irvine. Abita? How bout it?

Oh MAN! Under The Radr was the BEST tour I had seen until the show this year! Sounds awesome!

[The_Noble_Cause]

Oh how right you are, NC. BILOXI is where it's at. Liberty? Check. The Time? Check. blues solo by Neal calling the crowd "badass muthafuckas?" check.
Ballsy maneuver of opening with State Of Grace? Check. Great sound for an audience recording? Absoultely. 2 1/2 hour show? Check. That is the holy grail of JRNY boots until I can come up with Irvine. Abita? How bout it?

Yeah, Liberty is the highlight for me.
When I saw them on the UTR tour they omitted the TBF/Liberty accoustic set. I always wished they hadn't, and now after finally hearing it, I REALLY wish they hadn't.
Love the extended Neal accoustic bits.

[Red13JoePa]

YEA!! The kind of Gaelic/Celt/Folk twist they add to it? Crazy. And since it was the acoustic songs, it fit perfectly somehow. I'm out a burner right now, but it sounds like 28 NEEDS a copy of this show post haste. Somebody?

[cubby69]

Oh how right you are, NC. BILOXI is where it's at. Liberty? Check. The Time? Check. blues solo by Neal calling the crowd "badass muthafuckas?" check.
Ballsy maneuver of opening with State Of Grace? Check. Great sound for an audience recording? Absoultely. 2 1/2 hour show? Check. That is the holy grail of JRNY boots until I can come up with Irvine. Abita? How bout it?

Oh MAN! Under The Radr was the BEST tour I had seen until the show this year! Sounds awesome!

You are right on the money on that one buddy!! Up until this years show, that show we saw in Albuquerque was incredible!

[jrnyman28]

but it sounds like 28 NEEDS a copy of this show post haste. Somebody?

PLEASE!! Oh great, now you got me begging...

[Soledad?]

All 80s bands are plagued with the same problem: They want to play to their smaller core of die-hard fans, who love past *and* present stuff, yet they will alienate their larger casual fanbase if they play only the recent tunes. What these bands SHOULD do is mix it up more, do a healthy balance of hits (for the casuals) and current faves (for the die-hards). But they all tend to fall into the same old rut of churning out the hits, because that is what gets the most euphoric response.

It doesn't help, of course, that the mediocre Perry Sequel, Augeri, is at the helm. If Perry were there, they'd probably have a better chance of playing recent stuff without getting booed off stage.

[The_Noble_Cause]

If Perry were there, ...

Yes, but he's not (by his own choosing) so your point is moot and so is ur whole reason for coming here.

[Soledad?]

Sorry, I didn't notice any "Journey: The Steve Augeri Years" posted on the door of this forum.

Journey is past and present. If I were a fan of pre-Perry Journey only, would that be a problem? I highly doubt it. Your problem is that you don't like Perry, even though he was at the center of the best Journey line-up ever. You like his music, but not the fact that he ditched Journey, and you're in denial that Augeri is just a Perry Twin, albeit the lesser of the two, a poorly copied facsimile.

So to be a Certified Journey fan, what does one need to do? Are there any pre-requisite courses that I need to take? Do I need to take the "Etiquette in Dealing with Overly Sensitive Augeri Fans 101" class?

Please, Oh Holy Noble One, guide me on on the true Journey toward enlightenment.

[perryfaithful]

Sorry, I didn't notice any "Journey: The Steve Augeri Years" posted on the door of this forum.

Journey is past and present. If I were a fan of pre-Perry Journey only, would that be a problem? I highly doubt it. Your problem is that you don't like Perry, even though he was at the center of the best Journey line-up ever. You like his music, but not the fact that he ditched Journey, and you're in denial that Augeri is just a Perry Twin, albeit the lesser of the two, a poorly copied facsimile.

So to be a Certified Journey fan, what does one need to do? Are there any pre-requisite courses that I need to take? Do I need to take the "Etiquette in Dealing with Overly Sensitive Augeri Fans 101" class?

Please, Oh Holy Noble One, guide me on on the true Journey toward enlightenment.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Journey is past and present. If I were a fan of pre-Perry Journey only, would that be a problem?

Not at all, but repeatedly advocating the impossible ad nauseum, such as demanding that former members (who are gone by their own choosing) return, IS def a problem.

I, like Andrew and everyone else, just don't like professional shit stirrers and that's exactly what you are here to do.
If you are particularly fond of one era over the other, then that's great. Everyone has their favorite.
But you are not reveling in the sublimity of the era u adore, rather, you are strictly and pathalogically bashing ONE era that you disprove of.

So don't feed us this all-too transparent baloney pretext that you are here to talk about your nostalgic fondness for the Perry-era.
You are here to strictly bash the current era and all of your posts up to this point completely attest to this.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Your problem is that you don't like Perry, even though he was at the center of the best Journey line-up ever.

I don't like some of his conduct, however, I try not to let business/political dealings (of ANY members) overshadow my appreciation for music both old and new.

You like his music, but not the fact that he ditched Journey, and you're in denial that Augeri is just a Perry Twin, albeit the lesser of the two, a poorly copied facsimile.

I've said repeatedly that Augeri has a slightly similar timbre and range, but, what does that have to do with you coming here and somnolently hypothesizing on the impossible?
Perry is in a self imposed musical exile - deal with it.
Don't take it out on Augeri or those that currently enjoy the band.

Say, while you're at it, why don't u head on over to the AC/DC forum and importune for Bon Scott's return?
It's precisiely the same thing you are doing here-
petitioning for the impossible.

So to be a Certified Journey fan, what does one need to do? Are there any pre-requisite courses that I need to take? Do I need to take the "Etiquette in Dealing with Overly Sensitive Augeri Fans 101" class?

I really don't know what you're rambling on about.

[PROPERRY]

Sorry, I didn't notice any "Journey: The Steve Augeri Years" posted on the door of this forum.

Journey is past and present. If I were a fan of pre-Perry Journey only, would that be a problem? I highly doubt it. Your problem is that you don't like Perry, even though he was at the center of the best Journey line-up ever. You like his music, but not the fact that he ditched Journey, and you're in denial that Augeri is just a Perry Twin, albeit the lesser of the two, a poorly copied facsimile.

So to be a Certified Journey fan, what does one need to do? Are there any pre-requisite courses that I need to take? Do I need to take the "Etiquette in Dealing with Overly Sensitive Augeri Fans 101" class?

Please, Oh Holy Noble One, guide me on on the true Journey toward enlightenment.

Great post Soledad?!

Lori

[The_Noble_Cause]

Great post Soledad?!

As if it's any suprise that the forums' resident cackling hens now join in to abet Soledad's unjustifiable behavior.

[PROPERRY]

Great post Soledad?!

As if it's any suprise that the forums' resident cackling hens now join in to abet Soledad's unjustifiable behavior.

Now how is it "unjustifiable behavior" for a person to state THEIR OWN opinions on a message board? Everyone has a right to their own opinions, whether you agree with the opinions or not NC.

Lori

[Rockindeano]

PROPERRY you are almost as goddamned ridiculous as PF and Solefuck...

Look, If Augeri brought you a rose, and Perry brought you a pile of journeytroll shit, you would choose the journeytroll shit, cause Perry gave it to you.

Go eat some ass somewhere else...and take that bitch PF with you..

[PROPERRY]

PROPERRY you are almost as goddamned ridiculous as PF and Solefuck...

Look, If Augeri brought you a rose, and Perry brought you a pile of journeytroll shit, you would choose the journeytroll shit, cause Perry gave it to you.

Go eat some ass somewhere else...and take that bitch PF with you..

Now NC, this post right here that Deano made is what I call unjustifiable behavior!

Lori

[Andrew]

Knock it off Deano - LAST WARNING.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Now how is it "unjustifiable behavior" for a person to state THEIR OWN opinions on a message board?

How about when their opinion is repeatedly shown to be predicated upon NOTHING except residual spite over Perry's contentious exit?

This guy's upset that Little Napoleon has left the building (by his own choosing) and so he now uses that as an excuse to discount and detract from ANYTHING this lineup does or is in anyway remotely associated with. It's the same thing you wicked girlies do here; pretend to be celebrating Perry when you are solely interested in tearing down the current lineup in any way possible.

Furthermore, more than half the time Soledad doesn't know what the hell he is talking about.
Who can forget such classic Soledad blunders as, "Tall Stories was a Journey cover band!" "Augeri looks like Perry!" and "this band sounds like a cover band!" (even though admittedly he's never once seen them in concert).

To quote the great Harlan Ellison, you are not entitled to your own opinion, you are entitled to your own INFORMED opinion.

[Rockindeano]

Your problem is that you don't like Perry, even though he was at the center of the best Journey line-up ever.

Who says that was the best lineup??

THAT is entirely YOUR opinion.