Goddammit!

[Rockindeano]

You know, I have to admit, I was way over the top in choice of words, BUT what I said was correct..

If the Perry "supporters" would simply support their guy, rather than tear down the Real Journey, it would be fine in here. I for one wouldn't blow a gasket.

It is obviously and painfully clear....They have nothing to praise, to support, for that entity is retired. So the next available option is to tear down the Band.

Let me clue you PerryHeads in.. Steve Perry is getting smaller and smaller in the rear-view mirror. Bye bye

[PROPERRY]

As far as I'm concerned there is whole ALOT of "tearing down" of Steve Perry on this board, and when ANY Perry fans express an OPPOSITE opinion to what you all have to say negatively about him, then you accuse us of being here to "tear down" the current Journey.

I didn't read it that way NC that Soledad? was upset with Perry for not being in the band. I read that HE stated that, "YOU did NOT LIKE Perry". and that was the reason for YOU "tearing down" Perry.


As for Augeri "looking like Perry" OR "sounding like Perry", when he sings, I say NO WAY to either one!!! And I CAN say that because I saw Augeri in concert, during the "Vacation Back Tour" with Arrival.


Lori

[perryfaithful]

PROPERRY you are almost as goddamned ridiculous as PF and Solefuck...

Look, If Augeri brought you a rose, and Perry brought you a pile of journeytroll shit, you would choose the journeytroll shit, cause Perry gave it to you.

Go eat some ass somewhere else...and take that bitch PF with you..

Why does this kind of abuse keep happening?

[jrnyman28]

Funny how you would post this question AFTER you have seen Andrew's response/warning. And, if you read the other threads you will see Andrew has publicly given Deano a "Final Warning". So why would you feel the need to 'dig' this back up. It is handled already...

[The_Noble_Cause]

I didn't read it that way NC that Soledad? was upset with Perry for not being in the band. I read that HE stated that, "YOU did NOT LIKE Perry". and that was the reason for YOU "tearing down" Perry.

Every post Soledad has made thus far has been a deliberate attempt to belittle the current lineup or to implore for Perry's immediate re-instatement.
It's redundant, divisive and ultimately, worthless.
Perry's gone by his own volition.
What are you arguing for?

As for Augeri "looking like Perry" OR "sounding like Perry", when he sings, I say NO WAY to either one!!! And I CAN say that because I saw Augeri in concert, during the "Vacation Back Tour" with Arrival.

I know you feel this way. You've stated it before.
Glad to see at least one of you has some sense.

[The_Noble_Cause]

PROPERRY you are almost as goddamned ridiculous as PF and Solefuck...

Look, If Augeri brought you a rose, and Perry brought you a pile of journeytroll shit, you would choose the journeytroll shit, cause Perry gave it to you.

Go eat some ass somewhere else...and take that bitch PF with you..

Why does this kind of abuse keep happening?

Like you haven't ignored Andrew's repeated attempts to curb ur occasionally out-of-line behavior? On more than one occasion he has told u to rein it in, and you have flippantly written him off.

For proof of this, go here: http://forums.melodicrock.com/phpBB/vie ... sc&start=0

and here: http://forums.melodicrock.com/phpBB/vie ... ht=#101912

[Red13JoePa]

Yes. Do please stop attempting to bring down Andrew's wrath upon others. Fight your own battles.

[Rockindeano]

Yeah, "they" are too funny..Trying to magnify my net-crime after I got the bust by 'Drew. I said I was sorry in the choice of words.

PF, who do you think you are kidding? You are just as bad as I am, however, I don't coat my feelings in smiley faces. YOu have been as bad or worse than me many of times....

And, again, that "Soledad? sure sounds like someone else who hasn't been seen around here for some time....

Anyone seen that dude HOTS around? Nope, ne neither.

[Soledad?]

My sole purpose is not to tear down the line-up; if they didn't suck, I wouldn't do it. But they do suck. If they had a good singer, I wouldn't tear them down. And I don't mean Perry necessarily; they just need to hire someone who can sing worth anything. It's an insult to hire a half-assed singer. They just want to coast on past glories; they're not really interested in what the hard-core fans want. They care about the casual fan and their $$$. That's why they tour and churn out the old hits on stage. They throw the hard-core fans - the dwindling few that remain - a bone every now and then in the form of an album so as to appease them a bit and keep them at bay. But Journey 2005 is interested in raking some dough. The singer is just a figurehead for their fiscal fancies.

[Rockindeano]

Naw..no agenda here

[The_Noble_Cause]

My sole purpose is not to tear down the line-up; if they didn't suck, I wouldn't do it. But they do suck.

Umm, you're already on record stating that you never saw them live or ever watched the 2001 live dvd. So what are you basing this on? Like I said, you are tendentiously bashing. What is ur opinion founded on? Seems to me that u are incapable of dealing with Perry's absence, so you choose to bash. Just another indignant 'Loon with an axe to grind.

Perry is in a self imposed musical exile - deal with it.
Don't take it out on Augeri or those that currently enjoy the band.

[The_Noble_Cause]

If they had a good singer, I wouldn't tear them down. And I don't mean Perry necessarily; they just need to hire someone who can sing worth anything.

That's not what you said last week.
On the issue of naming possible Perry replacements you stated (and I quote) " I can't either. I can only envison Steve Perry in that role."

It's an insult to hire a half-assed singer.

Even *IF* Augeri is half-assed, how exactly would you know? You haven't been to a show. All you have is ur pre-existing seething anger over the fact that Perry is gone.

they're not really interested in what the hard-core fans want.

The hardcore fans were tired of waiting over a decade and wanted Journey to start making music and to start touring again.
We now have that.

They care about the casual fan and their $$$. That's why they tour and churn out the old hits on stage.

Is that why the first half of this year's set features nearly all pre-Perry rareities? Is that why last year's tour included rarely played tracks such as "Rubicon", "Opened the Door", "Edge of the Blade", "Party's Over", "Mother Father", "Suzanne", "Happy to Give"?

Journey has always done their best to cater to both their hardcore fans while not alienating the casual fan. It's in every band's best pragmatic sense to try to do exactly that.

They throw the hard-core fans - the dwindling few that remain - a bone every now and then in the form of an album so as to appease them a bit and keep them at bay.

How is releasing a record a surefire tell-tale sign that they are trying to keep hardcore fans at bay? Maybe the more logical explanation is that they are musicians and hence, they are always writing and composing music.
Where's the mystery to this?

But Journey 2005 is interested in raking some dough.

Name a band who isn't?
As if Journey in all of it's various incarnations has never been primarily concerned with turning a profit?
Your criticisms are stupid.

The singer is just a figurehead for their fiscal fancies.

What fiscal fantasies?
Neal and Jon have stated they had no idea wether or not they could even tour without Perry. They are just thankful that at their age they can still tour and still retain a loyal audience.
Many bands from their same era cannot do the same.

[Andrew]

It's an insult to hire a half-assed singer..... The singer is just a figurehead for their fiscal fancies.

You are clearly insane. Please take your pills and check back with us in the morning.

[Rockindeano]

Talk about "half-assed?" Soledad's effort was half-assed.

I would say Soledad has had "his" ASS kicked..That was definetely a very resounding defeat.

In fact, I read what NC did to him TWICE..Very nice work indeed.

[PROPERRY]

Yeah, "they" are too funny..Trying to magnify my net-crime after I got the bust by 'Drew. I said I was sorry in the choice of words.

PF, who do you think you are kidding? You are just as bad as I am, however, I don't coat my feelings in smiley faces. YOu have been as bad or worse than me many of times....

And, again, that "Soledad? sure sounds like someone else who hasn't been seen around here for some time....

Anyone seen that dude HOTS around? Nope, ne neither.

"You are just as bad as I am"

That is so ridiculous!!! Perryfaithful has NEVER made ANY personal attacks towards anyone here. All she did was "ask a question" to a post where YOU BROUGHT HER NAME UP & PERSONALLY ATTACKED HER!!!

By the way, what apology are you talking about??? I didn't see any apology from you for the way you spoke to us???

Lori

[Rockindeano]

"You are just as bad as I am"

That is so ridiculous!!! Perryfaithful has NEVER made ANY personal attacks towards anyone here. All she did was "ask a question" to a post where YOU BROUGHT HER NAME UP & PERSONALLY ATTACKED HER!!!

By the way, what apology are you talking about??? I didn't see any apology from you for the way you spoke to us???

Lori

I am NEVER going to apologize to you..

Do you think we (normal ones), are that stupid? Just because you don't say a particular word doesn't exonerate you from blame...You are insulting my intelligence...

You Heads write some antagonizing stuff, and know full well I am going to respond and in a not so polite way..Know why? Because I know your posts are not genuine..they are provoking in nature.

You continue to embarrass yourself.

What I personally want, and I think Andrew does to, is some banter..back and forth, but can we banter without Perry? He is a NON issue.. Get it? He is a NON member.. He isn't around..Doesn't want to be here..Jesus.

[NealIsGod]

Steve Augeri is the lead singer for Journey. Steve Perry is almost 60 and can no longer handle anything beyond some BG vox. Neal will be rocking until he is 100. He is the motor that keeps the band running. People who feel the need to tear down successful, talented people have low self esteem and do this just to make themselves feel a little more important, even though they are not. Certain posters in this thread can't stand that there are people who love Journey the way they are, and try to drag us down with them. Ain't gonna work. To us, Journey is NEAL SCHON and the songs that we all love. Try as you might, you will never change our minds. You just make us love the band even more. Reading your posts make me very happy. Happy that I am not a pathetic loser who has to get my jollies by trying to piss off others.

Have a nice day!

[NoMoreTails]

Steve Augeri is the lead singer for Journey. Steve Perry is almost 60 and can no longer handle anything beyond some BG vox....To us, Journey is NEAL SCHON and the songs that we all love.

I agree, as I wrote on that other site(BT), Steve A is better at 46 than Perry was at 36...I prefer him to Perry at 26 (that may have been when Perry was working on the turkey farm, before Herbie offered him a life raft...)
How can someone appreciate the raspy sound of Perry's later works and not care for Steve's "sweet" for lack of a better word, current sound?
Neal has always been Journey for me, but it feels much more like a team now.

[The_Noble_Cause]

I don't agree that solely Neal is Journey.
An integral part of Journey to be sure.
But then again, so was Steve Perry and so is Jonathan today
Journey has always been more about the sum of it's parts.
If the writing credits of "Generations" is any indication, it seems the band currently is more "The Jonathan Cain Show" then "The Neal Schon Experience".

[SuiteMadameBlue]

NeilIsGod says:

Steve Perry is almost 60

Really? He's almost 60? How old is he?

Boy, do I feel old

[NealIsGod]

NeilIsGod says:

Steve Perry is almost 60

Really? He's almost 60? How old is he?

Boy, do I feel old

I believe he is 56. I am sure someone on here knows for sure, or the answer is probably apparent at www.perryville.com.

I found a clip of Journey playing DSB on Tom Snyder's show, I guess back in 1981. Anyone else have this? Very cool.

[Angiekay]

I believe he is 56. I am sure someone on here knows for sure, or the answer is probably apparent at www.perryville.com.

Date of Birth: 22 January 1949

[NoMoreTails]

I don't agree that solely Neal is Journey.
An integral part of Journey to be sure.
But then again, so was Steve Perry and so is Jonathan today
Journey has always been more about the sum of it's parts.
If the writing credits of "Generations" is any indication, it seems the band currently is more "The Jonathan Cain Show" then "The Neal Schon Experience".

I know that Neal solely is not Journey, saying Neal is Journey is of course an exaggeration. But he has been and is the most important ingredient to me, that's all. I would never mean to imply that he is responsible for all of their success as Perryheads would claim for Perry.

Yet this is the first album Jon's been on that he hasn't had a writing credit on every song.
Jon's credits on Generations(Eurpean version): 10; Neal's: 10
Although Jon did write one entirely by himself, probably two depending on the credits for Pride of the Family.
To me the album feels like a pretty equal mix of the influence of both, with Jonathan's contribution being equal to Neal's instead of greater has it had been during the Cain/Perry era and on Arrival.
Lyrically, this one is mostly Jon as usual of course, much better than most of the Cain/Perry era lyrics.

[NealIsGod]

I believe he is 56. I am sure someone on here knows for sure, or the answer is probably apparent at www.perryville.com.

Date of Birth: 22 January 1949

Thanks, Angie. I was right for once!

I hope you will keep posting. I find your posts interesting.

[SuiteMadameBlue]

Thanks, I know someone on here would have the information without me looking it up This is the only Journey Board I can handle - LOL

[Angiekay]

I believe he is 56. I am sure someone on here knows for sure, or the answer is probably apparent at www.perryville.com.

Date of Birth: 22 January 1949

Thanks, Angie. I was right for once!

I hope you will keep posting. I find your posts interesting.

Thank you. I guess I'll just have to pick my battles, eh?

[NealIsGod]

Deano's a great guy. Don't let him offend you. He is just super passionate about Journey, but he also welcomes criticism of them as long as it is intelligent. He keeps people honest.

[PROPERRY]

Steve Augeri is the lead singer for Journey. Steve Perry is almost 60 and can no longer handle anything beyond some BG vox....To us, Journey is NEAL SCHON and the songs that we all love.

I agree, as I wrote on that other site(BT), Steve A is better at 46 than Perry was at 36...I prefer him to Perry at 26 (that may have been when Perry was working on the turkey farm, before Herbie offered him a life raft...)
How can someone appreciate the raspy sound of Perry's later works and not care for Steve's "sweet" for lack of a better word, current sound?
Neal has always been Journey for me, but it feels much more like a team now.

Well I certainly don't agree that Augeri is better than Perry at ANY age!

The FACTS are that when Perry was frontman for Journey, HE sang LEAD VOCALS on ALL the songs for many years! Perry didn't have to have ALL the band members HELPING him out with the share of singing lead vocals like Augeri. Also Perry didn't require for ANY of his band members to HELP him to hit the "high notes", when singing either.

Neal says in his interview that Augeri is having problems with his midrange as well. This is AFTER 7 years of Augeri being in the band.

Lori

[NealIsGod]

Steve Augeri is the lead singer for Journey. Steve Perry is almost 60 and can no longer handle anything beyond some BG vox....To us, Journey is NEAL SCHON and the songs that we all love.

I agree, as I wrote on that other site(BT), Steve A is better at 46 than Perry was at 36...I prefer him to Perry at 26 (that may have been when Perry was working on the turkey farm, before Herbie offered him a life raft...)
How can someone appreciate the raspy sound of Perry's later works and not care for Steve's "sweet" for lack of a better word, current sound?
Neal has always been Journey for me, but it feels much more like a team now.

Well I certainly don't agree that Augeri is better than Perry at ANY age!

The FACTS are that when Perry was frontman for Journey, HE sang LEAD VOCALS on ALL the songs for many years! Perry didn't have to have ALL the band members HELPING him out with the share of singing lead vocals like Augeri. Also Perry didn't require for ANY of his band members to HELP him to hit the "high notes", when singing either.

Neal says in his interview that Augeri is having problems with his midrange as well. This is AFTER 7 years of Augeri being in the band.

Lori

Lori, do you have the Journey 2001 DVD? Augeri sounds great, as he does on some boots I have come across recently. you have valid points about his voice, but I am sure this tour is taking a lot out of him. Hopefully his voice will not be ruined from touring so much, as Perry's was.

[jrnyman28]

I can't believe you just said this!
Here we go...

Well I certainly don't agree that Augeri is better than Perry at ANY age!

That is ok to feel. However, it is based on faith in Perry. Since no one has truly heard Perry's voice in 9 years (on record) and 11 years (live).

The FACTS are that when Perry was frontman for Journey, HE sang LEAD VOCALS on ALL the songs for many years!

Many, but not all.

Perry didn't have to have ALL the band members HELPING him out with the share of singing lead vocals like Augeri.

That is a gross misrepresentation of Steve's talent and ability. Steve does not need the other guys to sing. This a CD. Even if he couldn't sing, a CD could be made to sound like he sang well. So there would be no need to have other members of the band to sing. And since we have no reference from Perry, you cannot use this argument in a live setting.

Also Perry didn't require for ANY of his band members to HELP him to hit the "high notes", when singing either.

That is because they were HIS high notes. No one disputes that Perry was a phenominal singer with an exceptional range. BUT if he were trying to sing 'his' songs they way he used to, he most certainly would need someone to help him with those notes! and YES, that is a fact based on the last know live performances Perry gave, seen with my own eyes and heard with my own ears.

Neal says in his interview that Augeri is having problems with his midrange as well. This is AFTER 7 years of Augeri being in the band.

Lori

He said he was having a problem, turns out it was health related. It was not inability and it was not injury. In fact, the reason Neal mentioned that it was his mid-range was to illustrate that it was not inability. Everyone understands that there are some notes that Steve does not have the range to hit. This was a 'problem'. BUT Augeri did get with his vocal coach to ensure that he was not injuring something.

None of your facts stand up.