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What do you all think of my vision for my first year as new Journey Manager?

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Bravo. Active, aggressive, could work.
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Hell No. What, are you high? No way.
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I like the idea, but change out some variables.
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Postby Angiekay » Tue Aug 23, 2005 6:01 am

Monker wrote:Well, this is an interesting thread. Wish I had read it earlier.

Angie,

Here's my question...

What do you expect to happen for Journey under Sanctuary that didn't happen when they released their own album, "Red 13"?

I can understand what people are saying about getting the album to radio, etc. But, you know what? I HEARD RED 13 ON THE RADIO. My local station (KGGO in Des Moines) is probably in no different a sitation then yours...not being owned by Clear Chanel, and not a 'huge' market (although, I think KGGO may have some sorta respect, since they have been so popular for so long). So, what is Sanctuary going to be able to change between LA and New York...all those stations that ARE owned by Clear Channel?

I doubt it will make much difference at all.

How did being on Sanctuary help Styx? I don't recall hearing ANY Cyclorama on the radio...But, I have heard a LOT of "Big Band Theory"...released by Universal.

I'll say that being on Sactuary is good in that they don't have to handle distribution, getting the CD to retail, as they would on their own...and MAYBE John Kalodner can do SOMETHING to help. Styx said they had a lot of freedom in the studio when the recorded Cyclorama (no JDK's dictating song choices, etc). However, in the big picture of things, I don't think it's going to make much of a difference in radio play.

Finaly, why do YOU think Big Band Theory got so much airplay early on?

Also, were you ever on the Indra Styx mailing list?



Well, first of all, record companies can do high profile promotional things that the band itself can't do. Press, free copies, record signings, booking appearances on tv, radio morning shows, promotion items at record stores, flyers, internet banners, etc etc. Bands management can do some of that, but record companies have big pushes behind that because outside of the record doing well for them monetarily, they have no real tight direct ties with the band as the managment does and it doesn't seem as self serving. I thought Cyclorama got a lot of press. The band was willing to do interviews to talk about it and the record companies were willing to send not only copies to be played on the air, but copies to give away to listeners. Our radio station played quite a few songs off Cyclorama when it came out, but then again, we never got a copy of Red 13. My program director is very VERY open to new material from classic rock artists. We have played new music from Pat Benatar, Bad Company, Paul McCartney, Motley Crue, Eric Clapton, Aerosmith, Tom Petty, Neil Young, Styx, and even Stephen Stills. As far as Sactuary, I don't know. The big dogs in those big market cities listen to the big record companies, Song, Virgin, Geffen, etc. Unfortunatly, that's why there are these smaller record companies or offshoots, to take care of these bands past their hayday. They target the smaller markets that have room and freedom to play it. Sad, but true. Also, some of these bigger market stations are RUN by subsideraries of the big companies. Besides Clear Channel, you have ABC and Disney that own stations too. Again, because of that Federal Communications bill passed back in 1996 everything has become, if not one, all hooked together and a linked family.

As far as the Big Bang Theory, *I* think it's getting so much more hype because it's a COVER album. People already know and like most of these songs. That's why tribute albums do so well. Sometimes it's fun to hear an artists take on your favorite song. Plus you get to find out a little more about your favorite artists and the song they loved and how they inspired them.


Oh and no, I've never been on the Indra list. I've heard of it over the years, but never got involved. Is it still around?







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Postby Monker » Tue Aug 23, 2005 6:30 am

Well, let's see if I understand this correctly...

It seems like you are saying being on Sanctuary will make it easier to get airplay on some of the smaller market radio stations that do not have the over head of a Clear Channel...It is easier because the band does not have to handle all of the prmotion themselves and maybe Sanctuary can do some things the band on its own can't, or doesn't want to, do.

I think I can agree with that. I'm not expecting a big change though...

The reason I asked about Styx...

I think they (the band and label) did a LOT of things leading up to the release of BBT which Journey simply hasn't done. There was a LOT of talk in Styx circles about BBT, even when it was just an EP and not a full album. They released the "I Am the Walrus" video...which I saw many times on VH1Classic. They released the single to radio before the album was available(it was not even available on import, was it?)

By the time the album was released, I think the label, fans and radio were ALL excited about it...and THAT paved the way for the radio success. Maybe being a covers album made it more easily digested, but I think there was more to it then just that. There was even a big Target ad and sale the week of release...who arranges THAT?

What I see from Journey is a lot of making it up as we go along. They haven't layed any of the groundwork that Styx did. One moment Neal says Journey is not interested in signing a US label...then a week later, they are signed. To get the extras, you need to buy the import(s)...then, when the US version is announced, it has the 'extras'.

One hand doesn't know what the other is doing...and I see that as an obstacle in Journey achieving any success - in radio or album sales.

Styx seems to have everything going in a VERY organized way...and they are achieving some things that I can't see Journey doing.

Maybe it's just me, but that's how I see things.

Yes, the Indra list is still around...it's not nearly as busy as it was years ago though. It just seems like I've read your posts before. Not sure where...but, I've felt that deja vu thing before and have been wrong.
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Postby The_Noble_Cause » Tue Aug 23, 2005 7:14 am

Angiekay wrote: .
As far as the Big Bang Theory, *I* think it's getting so much more hype because it's a COVER album. People already know and like most of these songs. That's why tribute albums do so well.


Don't waste your breath. We all here have been trying to explain this to Monker for months now. Every act that has released a covers album recently has done remarkably well (McDonald, Rod etc). Monker just doesn't get it.
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Postby jrnyman28 » Tue Aug 23, 2005 7:26 am

Monker wrote:What I see from Journey is a lot of making it up as we go along. They haven't layed any of the groundwork that Styx did. ..... One hand doesn't know what the other is doing...and I see that as an obstacle in Journey achieving any success - in radio or album sales.



I agree completely!!
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Postby Angiekay » Tue Aug 23, 2005 7:33 am

Monker wrote:Well, let's see if I understand this correctly...

It seems like you are saying being on Sanctuary will make it easier to get airplay on some of the smaller market radio stations that do not have the over head of a Clear Channel...It is easier because the band does not have to handle all of the prmotion themselves and maybe Sanctuary can do some things the band on its own can't, or doesn't want to, do.

I think I can agree with that. I'm not expecting a big change though...

The reason I asked about Styx...

I think they (the band and label) did a LOT of things leading up to the release of BBT which Journey simply hasn't done. There was a LOT of talk in Styx circles about BBT, even when it was just an EP and not a full album. They released the "I Am the Walrus" video...which I saw many times on VH1Classic. They released the single to radio before the album was available(it was not even available on import, was it?)

By the time the album was released, I think the label, fans and radio were ALL excited about it...and THAT paved the way for the radio success. Maybe being a covers album made it more easily digested, but I think there was more to it then just that. There was even a big Target ad and sale the week of release...who arranges THAT?

What I see from Journey is a lot of making it up as we go along. They haven't layed any of the groundwork that Styx did. One moment Neal says Journey is not interested in signing a US label...then a week later, they are signed. To get the extras, you need to buy the import(s)...then, when the US version is announced, it has the 'extras'.

One hand doesn't know what the other is doing...and I see that as an obstacle in Journey achieving any success - in radio or album sales.

Styx seems to have everything going in a VERY organized way...and they are achieving some things that I can't see Journey doing.

Maybe it's just me, but that's how I see things.

Yes, the Indra list is still around...it's not nearly as busy as it was years ago though. It just seems like I've read your posts before. Not sure where...but, I've felt that deja vu thing before and have been wrong.



Hmmm, interesting points. The one thing I can say Styx has over Journey is their interaction with fans both off and on the internet. Tommy is forever connecting with Styx fans by taking pictures documenting their travels and writing notes on Styxworld. On the Styx board I'm on(which started out as Paradise.com, maybe that's where you know me from)back in the day he used to post WITH us, tell us stories...etc. I used to have quite a few of those posts saved. I don't know if I have them anymore. The videos are the other thing. When was the last time Journey did a video? Anyone? I honestly have no idea.

I don't think Clear Channel is THAT much different then any other corporation as far as what gets on. I'm sure they are tighter, but they all have their limits in big markets. Maybe that is why CC has pulled out of smaller markets. They are hardly a presence at all here in SD. They bought and then sold what they had here. I think the smaller communities balked at what they were doing, something I think people in bigger cities just put up with for whatever reason.







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Postby Angiekay » Tue Aug 23, 2005 7:35 am

The_Noble_Cause wrote:
Angiekay wrote: .
As far as the Big Bang Theory, *I* think it's getting so much more hype because it's a COVER album. People already know and like most of these songs. That's why tribute albums do so well.


Don't waste your breath. We all here have been trying to explain this to Monker for months now. Every act that has released a covers album recently has done remarkably well (McDonald, Rod etc). Monker just doesn't get it.


LOL...

I just think with all the horrible music that is being made today(it all sounds the same, manufactured and boring)that people will take all the great stuff they remember and even if it IS redone, and give it another listen. Rush is another band that put out a great covers album last year.








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Postby jrnyman28 » Tue Aug 23, 2005 7:45 am

Angiekay wrote:Styx has over Journey is their interaction with fans both off and on the internet. .... On the Styx board I'm on(which started out as Paradise.com, maybe that's where you know me from)back in the day he used to post WITH us, tell us stories...etc.



I agree here. Journey does not utilize their webspace at all.
But the guys used to post on BT until they got AMBUSHED. The "Ask Journey" Forum was a great idea but never really used. Once in a while there would be a real conversation. But they got rid of that forum (since it wasn't being used anyway) to free up bandwidth. Then, the guys would post in the GF but that was CHAOS. Finally, Neal got involved in a heated discussion with a Perryhead who was attacking him for things "we" fans no little about and Neal blew up! Neal completely went off, which was wrong, but warranted based on the abuse he was dealing with. That was pretty much the end of any fan interaction on BT.

Angiekay wrote:When was the last time Journey did a video? Anyone? I honestly have no idea.


2001. They used dvd footage of Higher Place and All The Way. A cheap way of putting out a video, since they already had the tape. Journey has always preferred 'performance' or 'live' video. it made sense, but it got little airplay. Which, Journey believes, will happen with any video they make: NO AIRPLAY. So their feeling is 'why bother?' I disagree, but it is about cost-effectiveness I suppose.
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Postby Monker » Tue Aug 23, 2005 10:07 am

The_Noble_Cause wrote:
Angiekay wrote: .
As far as the Big Bang Theory, *I* think it's getting so much more hype because it's a COVER album. People already know and like most of these songs. That's why tribute albums do so well.


Don't waste your breath. We all here have been trying to explain this to Monker for months now. Every act that has released a covers album recently has done remarkably well (McDonald, Rod etc). Monker just doesn't get it.


And, my response to that is that it is silly to classify MichDonald or Rod Stewart with Styx and Journey. They are a different monster covering totaly different songs and styles.

Angie, how often did Rod Stewarts latest albums get airplay on your CR station? I bet it didn't, or hardly any.

The Def Leppard covers album is more comparable to Styx...from the same era/genre and at least its rock music. THAT will be a MUCH better comparison then either of your examples. If all it takes is a covers album, then it should do as well, or better, then BBT.

And, I didn't 'know and like' many of the songs on BBT. Most of my favorites, especialy "Salty Dog" and "Talkin' 'About the Good Times", I have never heard before.

It's all opinion anyway, and you're no more right then I am.
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Postby Monker » Tue Aug 23, 2005 10:42 am

Hmmm, interesting points. The one thing I can say Styx has over Journey is their interaction with fans both off and on the internet.


That is absolutely true. I, and a few others, even traded Email with Tommy way back before there was a "Styx internet". He joined the Indra list for a while (before paradisetheatre.com existed) at least partialy because I got him and the list owner in contact with each other. I'm sure he doesn't even know my name, but it was pretty cool back then to trade mail with Tommy.

I think Journey has had to deal with the "Perry thing" for so long that it is easier to just let the internet and the people on it go. They do what they do without having to directly interact with us...They do the interviews with Andrew, for example, or release news thru journeymusic.com....But, they avoid any personal interaction like what Tommy (and Dennis, btw) does.

That is what I mean by BBT being talked about in Styx circles for a very long time...It was a project that was talked about for months, probably over a year, before it was released.

Journey's history is they talk about things that never happen...DVD's especialy. It's like they get an idea so they talk about it...but, for whatever reason, they can't follow thru so it gets canceled. The Warfield DVD, the documentary that Allen C was doing, the DVD box set etc...Well, they need to find a happy medium there and talk about things that they CAN AND WILL follow through on and make happen.

On the Styx board I'm on(which started out as Paradise.com, maybe that's where you know me from)


That could be. I lurked there. If I remember right, it loaded slow and I would get too impatient to be actively posting. It was also WAY too busy...at that time, I couldn't even keep up with the Indra list. There was no way I could keep up with the Styx mailing list, the Styx forum, the Journey mailing list, and several Journey forums. It's just too much! Actualy, the Journey stuff alone was too much!

I was on Prodigy before the internet stuff, too. That was a lot of fun. I remember when Micky Jorgensen first started posting - everybody thought she was a guy! Too funny. I don't remember if Donna Lettow posted much at that time...I never knew her very well...although she's a bit famous in Styx lore. Dayle Dermatis is still a friend from back then...I actualy met her and saw Damn Yankees. There are a couple others who you may know...but, geez, this goes back almost 15yrs!

The videos are the other thing. When was the last time Journey did a video? Anyone? I honestly have no idea.


They released concert videos for both "All the Way" and "Higher Place"...They were cut from the 2001 DVD....

And, if they did a DVD that included more new songs, they could release more videos to VH1...and it wouldn't cost that much money. They even did the same thing for the Escape videos back in 1982!

I think the smaller communities balked at what they were doing, something I think people in bigger cities just put up with for whatever reason.


I agree. Some company bought out KGGO a few years ago. They decided to do some cutting and the DJ who handled the noon hour got the axe. That didn't go down very well because he was pretty popular. They seem to be pretty hands off now...but what I got from just listening to the morning show back then, things were pretty tense for a long while. I think there was a bit of a rebelious attitude by both the morning crew and the fans who listened...If it's not broke, why are they trying to fix it? I mean, they bought the most popular station in Iowa, and they want to change it? Dumb.
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Postby Angiekay » Tue Aug 23, 2005 1:46 pm

Monker wrote:And, my response to that is that it is silly to classify MichDonald or Rod Stewart with Styx and Journey. They are a different monster covering totaly different songs and styles.

Angie, how often did Rod Stewarts latest albums get airplay on your CR station? I bet it didn't, or hardly any.




That's true. They are classic rock artists, but like Elton John have gone incredibly soft over the years. There is no way we'd play anything new by Rod, Micheal or Elton.







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Postby Angiekay » Tue Aug 23, 2005 2:13 pm

Monker wrote:
I remember when Micky Jorgensen first started posting - everybody thought she was a guy!



You know Micky!? I just stayed with her this weekend. I work at the Minnesota Renaissance Festival with her every year. Ah, those were the days. Remember Tommy's "village" story? It's really too bad there are people who have to freak the bands out so much.







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Postby Rockindeano » Tue Aug 23, 2005 7:25 pm

Angiekay wrote:[Hmmm, interesting points. The one thing I can say Styx has over Journey is their interaction with fans both off and on the internet.


Yes, I agree. However, I do think the polarization with Perry v Journey is ten-fold over DDY-Styx in popularity. This has got to be the most polarizing band in music.

I agree Tommy does always write to the fans..much like Kevin Cronin does at REO..

Having said that though, Journey DOES listen to it's fans...Look at Arrival..The fans wanted more rockers on the US version, and got them. Then in 2001 tour, they had a poll of which songs the fans wanted.. success. Then the fans wanted a full length CD and got that with Generations... So Journey IS in touch most definately.

I just their "management" is "George W'sh"..not very bright at all.
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Postby NoMoreTails » Tue Aug 23, 2005 10:57 pm

[quote="jrnyman28].... That was pretty much the end of any fan interaction on BT.[/quote]

Apparently the same thing has happened with JSS. I don't know exactly what happened between he and a fan at BT but I haven't seen him post there since. Hopefully he's just been busy, his comments there provided a little insight you don't get from Journey at this point. Hopefully he'll return.
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Postby Monker » Tue Aug 23, 2005 11:22 pm

You know Micky!?


Yeah, we used to trade Email often back when I was on Prodigy. She was posting as Mick so people thought she was a guy. Then she said things that made people think she was a girl. Then there was a big debate if she was a dude or not. She just sorta let it slide and played along. Then everybody got PO'd, saying she was playing games, or whatever. So, I jumped in and said THEY were the ones making a big deal about it and if they just talked about Damn Yankees (or whatever) and not try to guess genders then there wouldn't be a problem. So, like my normal self, I get into this big argument with about ten people about all the above.

So, I traded Email with her, talking about DY and Styx. I found out her history with 976-Styx/Donna, and about Yankee Pride. I think we traded some things, I can't remember...But, she sent me a packet of stuff: A copy of Yankee Pride, a set of DY pics (which are VERY cool), and maybe some other DY stuff. In the pics, she had a couple with Ted and Jack and herself...in the note she said something like, "See, I *AM* a girl...here's proof!"

Remember Tommy's "village" story?


No, what was that?

It's really too bad there are people who have to freak the bands out so much.


Yep, I agree. Way back then on Prodigy, Burtnik made some posts...I guess he started a bit of a fued because people didn't believe it was him!

Back when Neal first came online, he did some chats on AOL...There was the same problem, people not believing it was him and being completely nasty. Neal's stepdad was also in the chat.

Then there are a few cases of people pretending to be Perry and trading Email with fans or doing chats. There are some very strange stories here...One lady INSISTS she had some 'intimate' chats with Perry while he was in the hospital for his hip. One was so duped into believing it was Perry she was trading Email with that Lora had to get involved to convince her it wasn't Perry. Very strange.
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Postby NealIsGod » Tue Aug 23, 2005 11:33 pm

jrnyman28 wrote:Finally, Neal got involved in a heated discussion with a Perryhead who was attacking him for things "we" fans no little about and Neal blew up! Neal completely went off, which was wrong, but warranted based on the abuse he was dealing with. That was pretty much the end of any fan interaction on BT.


I would love to read that exchange! Do you remember any details?
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Postby jrnyman28 » Tue Aug 23, 2005 11:55 pm

NealIsGod wrote:
jrnyman28 wrote:Finally, Neal got involved in a heated discussion with a Perryhead who was attacking him for things "we" fans no little about and Neal blew up! Neal completely went off, which was wrong, but warranted based on the abuse he was dealing with. That was pretty much the end of any fan interaction on BT.


I would love to read that exchange! Do you remember any details?


Not really, but that is the infamous "Get a Life" post from Neal. A Perryhead was attacking Neal for everything that happened, blaming Neal for what happened with Perry. He told the person that s/he really had no clue about what happened and that s/he needed to get a life. That is all I really remember about it. But the exchange went back and forth for several posts in the thread.
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Postby NealIsGod » Tue Aug 23, 2005 11:58 pm

jrnyman28 wrote:
NealIsGod wrote:
jrnyman28 wrote:Finally, Neal got involved in a heated discussion with a Perryhead who was attacking him for things "we" fans no little about and Neal blew up! Neal completely went off, which was wrong, but warranted based on the abuse he was dealing with. That was pretty much the end of any fan interaction on BT.


I would love to read that exchange! Do you remember any details?


Not really, but that is the infamous "Get a Life" post from Neal. A Perryhead was attacking Neal for everything that happened, blaming Neal for what happened with Perry. He told the person that s/he really had no clue about what happened and that s/he needed to get a life. That is all I really remember about it. But the exchange went back and forth for several posts in the thread.


Some of those people who need to get a life seem to have infiltrated this forum. Not naming names, but people who simply get their shits and giggles from insulting the current lineup with no basis.
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Postby Red13JoePa » Wed Aug 24, 2005 12:10 am

I've wanted to see that thread forever. Good for Neal.

JSS had a brawl (as prev mentioned) with some nitwit over on Andrew's Noticeboard that went back-forth for a good while. Jeff was classy, though and even offered the guy an olive branch at the end and the dude blew him off. Haven't seen much of JSS here since....
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Postby jrnyman28 » Wed Aug 24, 2005 12:28 am

Well, to be honest, there are several reasos why Neal should not be the 'speaker' for the band. We all know he is a straight-shooter. He can be a hotheat. He doesn't think before he speaks. Neal is not the right choice from a PR standpoint. Besides, the man stays busy ALL THE TIME!! I really think that Steve and Jon should be the ones to interact with the fans and do a bulk of the interviews. With Neal, we get all these ool ideas that never happen. He doesn't think them through first. And if he gets upset he will blow up. I personally don't think anyone could get upset with Steve, and I think Jon would be respected for his tenure with the band. He is treated as an original member nowadays...
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Postby Angiekay » Wed Aug 24, 2005 12:43 am

Rock'ndeano wrote:Yes, I agree. However, I do think the polarization with Perry v Journey is ten-fold over DDY-Styx in popularity. This has got to be the most polarizing band in music.




I don't think that is true. I just think you feel that way because you've been around and more involved in the Journey situation then the Styx situation. I say that since I feel the opposite, but I've been in the Styx camp more closely watching it. I think they are both very similar and both close in intensisty







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Postby Monker » Wed Aug 24, 2005 1:25 am

I don't think that is true. I just think you feel that way because you've been around and more involved in the Journey situation then the Styx situation. I say that since I feel the opposite, but I've been in the Styx camp more closely watching it. I think they are both very similar and both close in intensisty


I agree with this...

I also think the DDY fans, usually, act a bit more mature then their Perry fan rivals. But, that doesn't mean their feelings are any less intense. There also seems to be more Journey/Perry fans then there are Styx/DDY fans. So, there is a bit of an illusion that the Journey/Perry thing is more intense because there are simply more people going at it.
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Postby Angiekay » Wed Aug 24, 2005 2:09 am

Monker wrote:I also think the DDY fans, usually, act a bit more mature then their Perry fan rivals. But, that doesn't mean their feelings are any less intense. There also seems to be more Journey/Perry fans then there are Styx/DDY fans. So, there is a bit of an illusion that the Journey/Perry thing is more intense because there are simply more people going at it.


Well, you know it's pretty sad no matter how you look at it when you go to a concert and people are *crying* because the lead singer isn't there. Please, people get a life. It's a BAND! It's entertainment. This is not a life or death or mental breakdown issue! Life goes on!







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Postby NoMoreTails » Wed Aug 24, 2005 2:39 am

jrnyman28 wrote:I personally don't think anyone could get upset with Steve, and I think Jon would be respected for his tenure wi


Steve would have been great at this, but I don't see him doing it at this point with the constant "Steve Perry is Best" BS that goes on there. Its fine to discuss Perry there to some extent, related to the music, but those posts are silly and intended by some to put down SA but not so openly as to get the topic closed,. All the "I saw Steve Perry at the game..." Who cares? I don't see Jon being willing to spend his time there and while he may be more diplomatic than Neal and wouldn't say get a life to a fan that's the way he feels as well I'm sure. And I think based on the way some people's attitudes are towards them, that should be their response.
I think Ross and Deen would be great there but anyone from the band posting anything other than a hello, happy holidays, thanks for coming out to the shows, etc. runs the risk of getting into something confrontational, especially when they are on tour, which tends to bring a lot of new people there, many of them saying negative things about the band. They could always ignore certain questions or remarks but that might look worse than not coming there at all. Why put up with the grief, I don't see why they'd want to go to BT myself. Even the pro-(current)Journey fans can be brutal at times with criticism of the new album, etc.
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Postby The_Noble_Cause » Wed Aug 24, 2005 2:41 am

jrnyman28 wrote:
NealIsGod wrote:
jrnyman28 wrote:Finally, Neal got involved in a heated discussion with a Perryhead who was attacking him for things "we" fans no little about and Neal blew up! Neal completely went off, which was wrong, but warranted based on the abuse he was dealing with. That was pretty much the end of any fan interaction on BT.


I would love to read that exchange! Do you remember any details?


Not really, but that is the infamous "Get a Life" post from Neal. A Perryhead was attacking Neal for everything that happened, blaming Neal for what happened with Perry. He told the person that s/he really had no clue about what happened and that s/he needed to get a life. That is all I really remember about it. But the exchange went back and forth for several posts in the thread.


I was there. I remember. He didn't just say "get a life", he said "sounds like you need a drink, better make it a stiff one." It was CLASSIC.
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Postby NoMoreTails » Wed Aug 24, 2005 2:41 am

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jrnyman28 wrote:I personally don't think anyone could get upset with Steve, and I think Jon would be respected for his tenure wi


Many are already upset with Steve, through no fault of his own.
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Postby Rockindeano » Wed Aug 24, 2005 2:44 am

jrnyman28 wrote: Finally, Neal got involved in a heated discussion with a Perryhead who was attacking him for things "we" fans no little about and Neal blew up! Neal completely went off, which was wrong, but warranted based on the abuse he was dealing with. That was pretty much the end of any fan interaction on BT.


Ooooh I was there..front and centre. It was awesome.. I was in my element..Some Heads were going of, and NS FINALLY snapped..He took a lot...showed considerable restrain......I wouldn't wait that long..I would have uncorked on those Heads....like I do here..
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Postby Monker » Wed Aug 24, 2005 2:47 am

Well, you know it's pretty sad no matter how you look at it when you go to a concert and people are *crying* because the lead singer isn't there. Please, people get a life. It's a BAND! It's entertainment. This is not a life or death or mental breakdown issue! Life goes on!


Perry or DDY, "...and, you with the giant nose, have you ever kissed a guy?....I didn't think so. There's a whole world out there! When I was your age, I didn't just listen to old music! I LIVED! So... move out of your parent's basements! And get your own apartments and GROW THE HELL UP! I mean, it's just a rock band dammit, IT'S JUST A ROCK BAND!"

Perry or DDY fanatic "So...you are saying we should pay more attention to the solo albums?"

Ummm, I doubt anybody will hear you :D
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Postby Red13JoePa » Wed Aug 24, 2005 2:47 am

I wish someone could conjure up that transcript. I used to see him in there all the time but totally missed that now-legendary episode.

The guy is a flat-out TREAT.
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Postby Rockindeano » Wed Aug 24, 2005 2:51 am

Red13JoePa wrote:I wish someone could conjure up that transcript. I used to see him in there all the time but totally missed that now-legendary episode.

The guy is a flat-out TREAT.


You would as lucky to find that transcript as W finding his brain..Ain't Happening dude.
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Postby Shadowsong » Sat Nov 26, 2005 5:19 pm

There is so much here and I am just catching up so forgive me if I overlook somethings
but forst in my mind

Is that darn JACK off Radio
I was there when they hiJACKED arrow and threw Uncle Joe out on the street in the middle of his show and proceeded to play for hours this nonsensical loop of dribble.

I'm sorry but we don;t play what yopu want don;t tell us what to play is an insult!
I turned the channel and have never gone back nor will I ever go back.

Deano, I like some of your ideas
Fresh outlooks are good
I am familar with the Coor from Queat From Camelot soundtrack
and Brian White does due a duet with a female singer and it is lovely

See the thing with bands like Journey and the like is sort of like family
We both get older and they are part of our youth
We have a special affection with them
God knows Irving Azoff is a mega mgr with a list of great from the Eagles
to Cristina Aguilera. He knows the biz & he has the resources & connections to get the job done.

The thing is its abiout the music and sometimes you have to be careful not to go to far from your roots and loose your connection

Today my main problem with the music is its sort of like a factory production line and its all about the looks.

Perhaps a sexy female singer would draw some more male attention
These days the record companies take someone with appeal dress them up and sell them
Its getting harder to find the real musical talents.

Today its all bright lights smoke & mirrors

Some of us are beyond that
We want the heart n soul
We know what they want and won't allow them to sell us anything less
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