Breaking News - Generations US release

[Rockindeano]

Yea, Birds (Eagles) vs his birds (Ravens).

Yeah, Boller looks pathetic. Eagles have a real QB. That's all the Ravens need...

Hey girls, I'll take my Birds over both of yours..

Go Seachickens!

[Red13JoePa]

Still love Holmgren.

Tricky Ricky Watters put up some great #s in Philly and TripleLatte.com land.

[SuiteMadameBlue]

I'll take the Packers over all your birds and animals any day, girls - LOL

This will be a fantastic year for Green Bay (hopefully)!!!!

Go Packers Go!!!!!

[NealIsGod]

I'll take the Packers over all your birds and animals any day, girls - LOL

This will be a fantastic year for Green Bay (hopefully)!!!!

Go Packers Go!!!!!

What's up with Favre's hip? I hear he has had necrosis since the early '90's. That is one tough dude.

[SuiteMadameBlue]

NealIsGod says:

What's up with Favre's hip? I hear he has had necrosis since the early '90's. That is one tough dude.

He's like the Energizer Bunny, keeps going and going and going.

I'm sure he'll be fine, he usually plays with a battered body.

[Red13JoePa]

Yo, Suite:


4TH AND 26, BABY!!!!

[NealIsGod]

Yo, Suite:


4TH AND 26, BABY!!!!

That's gotta hurt.

[SuiteMadameBlue]

OUCH!!!!!

Yep, that one hurt, big time!!

[gr8dane]

I'll take the Packers over all your birds and animals any day, girls - LOL

This will be a fantastic year for Green Bay (hopefully)!!!!

Go Packers Go!!!!!

What are they packing????

[Rockindeano]

What are they packing????

Vicodin for Brett

I love that guy...smart, gutsy and a warrior.. I hear the term "warrior" far too often in sports...Like for instance, "Allen Iverson is a warrior." Uh, no he's not. He is a gangster, pot smoking, gun toting degenerate, who trips over painted lines, loses the ball and cries foul.. NO NBA'er is a warrior. Jeremy Roenick, is a warrior. Curt Schilling, is a warrior. Tough guys are warriors.. You can never count out the Pack when they have #4..I love the Packers, but SMB, I'll take that bet..I can't see GB getting in playoffs..

[SuiteMadameBlue]

Obviously you all know how I love to go from topic to topic on these boards - LOL

Journey to football

Rock'ndeano says:

I love the Packers, but SMB, I'll take that bet..I can't see GB getting in playoffs..

I'm here, I'm listening, the season hasn't begun, you're on. What's the bet? I'm open for anything.

gr8dane,

Just for you A little Green Bay Packer history.

First they talked Curly's employer -- a war-time industry called the Indian Packing Company, where he worked as a shipping clerk for $250/month -- into putting up money for jerseys.

Because the company provided jerseys and permitted the use of its athletic field for practice, the club was identified in its early publicity as a project of the company. With this tie-in the name "Packers" was a natural, and Packers they have been ever since, although the Indian Packing Co. had practically faded out of the picture before that first season was half over.

[gr8dane]

Obviously you all know how I love to go from topic to topic on these boards - LOL

Journey to football

Rock'ndeano says:

I love the Packers, but SMB, I'll take that bet..I can't see GB getting in playoffs..

I'm here, I'm listening, the season hasn't begun, you're on. What's the bet? I'm open for anything.

gr8dane,

Just for you A little Green Bay Packer history.

First they talked Curly's employer -- a war-time industry called the Indian Packing Company, where he worked as a shipping clerk for $250/month -- into putting up money for jerseys.

Because the company provided jerseys and permitted the use of its athletic field for practice, the club was identified in its early publicity as a project of the company. With this tie-in the name "Packers" was a natural, and Packers they have been ever since, although the Indian Packing Co. had practically faded out of the picture before that first season was half over.

I did not know that and thank you.Something back in time.That makes sense.

[Andrew]

Let's get this topic back on track....

Journey should never have conmtemplated a US release with those bonus tracks. If anything, they could add something entirely different or new.

I'll bet my house that the Japanese and European labels paid more for the album than Sanctuary paid and whats more - the European labels have been keeping this genre and many of these bands alive, so ease up with the rhetoric.

[Red13JoePa]

It is not fair that US buyers have to pay through the eyes to get Pride Of The Family and Never Too Late. I don't care HOW it's spun from a business standpoint it there's no way that should be allowed. To me THAT'S rhetoric. What's wrong with the same tracklist worldwide? Some international distributor at some time got greedy and a band like Journey blinked and let them get away with it and now those bonus tracks are always held hostage to the US buyer. Being from Tasmania Austrailia I could see how it wouldn't sit in your craw too much Andrew but you have to admit it sucks for the US.

[Andrew]

R13JP - I don't disagree with you - it's bloody expensive for any import here, so I feel your pain equally.

The fact here is that an agreement was made and the album delivered to certain contractual obligations.
To then ignore those is not a wise move which as you can see, has resulted in confusion and damage control.

The fact is, to get a deal such as the band wanted, bonus tracks had to be supplied. How anyone gets around that is a big question!

[Monker]

It is not fair that US buyers have to pay through the eyes to get Pride Of The Family and Never Too Late. I don't care HOW it's spun from a business standpoint it there's no way that should be allowed. To me THAT'S rhetoric. What's wrong with the same tracklist worldwide? Some international distributor at some time got greedy and a band like Journey blinked and let them get away with it and now those bonus tracks are always held hostage to the US buyer. Being from Tasmania Austrailia I could see how it wouldn't sit in your craw too much Andrew but you have to admit it sucks for the US.

The above is just all wrong.

Most "US buyers" won't even know about the Japan release. The only people who care are the few who follow the band closely enough to know about such things...most don't.

The purpose of the extra tracks and the early release date has NOTHING TO DO WITH US BUYERS. It has to do with buyers from Japan buying the JAPAN copy and NOT the US "import"....which will be cheaper. They add the extra songs so people outside the US have the incentive to buy it - not the few thousand from the US who are willing to spend the extra money.

Geez, if Generations had the the same songs on the US version, then Japan and Europe could lose tens of thousands of sales to the US. THAT is why it is there.

I want the extra songs too....But, I'll get them by other means if they are not on the US CD.

Andrew, what are the price comparisons between a US and Japan CD? Are US CD's about half the price? Is it that way in Japan? It seems like people think the US version is going to cost twice as much when imported to another country...

[Andrew]

Andrew, what are the price comparisons between a US and Japan CD? Are US CD's about half the price? Is it that way in Japan? It seems like people think the US version is going to cost twice as much when imported to another country...

The Japanese were the very first to demand bonus tracks as their domestic product is about double that of a standard US release, + shipping and handling fees if you are importing.

Typically a CD can range from US$20 to as much as US$30 + shipping.

They demanded the bonus tracks so domestic customers would not buy the cheaper import - as imports are legal in Japan's open music market.

In this case, the Euro label also asked for a conus track, because if any bands is going to GIVE AWAY CDs at gigs, then you sure as hell better offer something different or the investment would be simply pissing your money away!

[Rockindeano]

- the European labels have been keeping this genre and many of these bands alive, so ease up with the rhetoric.

Andrew, how so? I really did not know this. Is this possibly because America has so much shitty "music" aka, rap, blondechickpop, or ??

Please explain. Is there rap and shit pop over there? How about AUS?

[Andrew]

Just take a look at the roster of European labels....lots of American bands as they can still do good sales #s in Europe, where as in the USA touring is their only form of income.

CD sales for these bands in America are very low, if they are released there at all.

And I'm talking more obscure artists generally here - not bigger names like Journey. But the situation in the US is bad for all...

[Rockindeano]

Just take a look at the roster of European labels....lots of American bands as they can still do good sales #s in Europe, where as in the USA touring is their only form of income.

CD sales for these bands in America are very low, if they are released there at all.

And I'm talking more obscure artists generally here - not bigger names like Journey. But the situation in the US is bad for all...

Like SoulSirkus? I see your point. That's why you are the shit! Oh, by the way, that is a good thing, 'Drew.

Now get your lazy ass off the sofa, and print out an RValory interview!!

[Andrew]

Now get your lazy ass off the sofa, and print out an RValory interview!!

Sorry, but you'll have to wait until next week now
Had too many reviews that needed writing and have not had time to start work on that and the Steve A interview.

[Red13JoePa]

MONKER wrote:
"Geez, if Generations had the the same songs on the US version, then Japan and Europe could lose tens of thousands of sales to the US. THAT is why it is there. "

Who cares, Monker? I would definately sleep at night knowing that it cost them 10s of 1,000s and it would serve the greedy bastards right. Business-wise as you and Andrew have pointed out, it makes sense for King and Frontiers to pull this BS. And I appreciate that to the fullest extent. But ethically it is WEAK for those labels to demand it and our bands to cowtow. I agree with you, Monker that the only ones who'll be annoyed by it are the US buyers who KNOW there's more tracks overseas and that's likely only a virtual handful of us by comparison.
My OTHER question is does anyone KNOW the languague in the King/Frontiers contracts that preclude Sanctuary from putting the same album out? It would seem obvious to anyone with a modicum of business sense that this would not be allowed right off the bat by the terms. Given that, and the fact that they openly trumpeted that the tracks would be the same, I almost believe that no such exclusionary clauses exist. Either that or some people were totally Naive. And also, what of Arrival when the US got 2 different tracks then Sakeville? Did it fly b/c neither of them was I'm Not That Way I guess?

[Eric]

The biggest question for me is who (and why) decided that "Never too Late" should be just a bonus??????

[Red13JoePa]

The short version seems to be that the EurAsian labels, as usual, demanded and were granted bonus tracks ( ). Choosing the 2 they did seems as though it may have been done by Cain absent Neal's input due to his being away with SS promoting World Play.

[jrnyman28]

"Geez, if Generations had the the same songs on the US version, then Japan and Europe could lose tens of thousands of sales to the US. THAT is why it is there. "

Who cares, Monker? I would definately sleep at night knowing that it cost them 10s of 1,000s and it would serve the greedy bastards right.

But it would also cost JOURNEY a lot of money. They could be paid a percentage, not jst a 'per unit' fee. They may actually make a little more money off those sales than they would off the 'US Import" sale...

[Red13JoePa]

They COULD but who knows, again what probitive language is or is not in those contracts regarding those tracks being made available outside the rareified air of Japan and Europe .

[JohnH]

I'm sick of this shit. What a fucked up way to release a CD. Tour first, give it out to people who put it on Ebay so they can make money on it, not the band. Meanwhile it is all over the Internet for free. Then try to add value to the release by adding tracks, then get in trouble with foreign distributors. ANY OF US could do a better job.

Yes and at this point I don't know what to do. NEH Records was just offering the Euro version for about 19 bucks, so I could get it from them instead of waiting till October. Meanwhile, I'm getting screwed out of some great tunes on the Japanese version (which I never buy those anyway), hopefully I can download them. I never download albums from my favorite bands.

John

[Rockindeano]

I'll tell you what to do...

Log on to Limewire, and DOWNLOAD it. If getting a CD requires a fuckin Masters degree, screw it, I am stealing it.

By the way Neal and Jon, I have been to 4 shows already, and got my freebies..plus I would NEVER rip you guys off...well, I would, but I always buy multiple copies anyway..