Journey Take Note

[jrnyman28]

If Motley Crue can do it, so can you! (Maybe)

From the front page: "Sixx said. "We did some pretty diverse records throughout our career. We've gone from Dr. Feelgood to the [1994 self-titled] John Corabi record to Generation Swine, and it was all based on us just being creative. Some of it was more accepted, some of it was less accepted, but if you look at the history of the band, from the first record on, we've always done something fresh."
More than anything else, though, Sixx said he wants to avoid falling into the pattern that's ruined so many other veteran bands: rock and roll flaccidity.
"I don't want to be part of that trend where bands that have been around for more than 20 years become mellow," he said. "Even with U2, a band I respect, everything has this older, mellower feel to it. You hear that in a lot of rock bands. I don't mind having ballads and medium tempo songs — I just hope we never become a bunch of pu----s."
"It's just amazing to see a younger audience out there," he continued. "When we made a decision to be a band again, a lot of people were saying, 'You guys are like Def Leppard — your audience is going to be, like, 40-year-olds.' And we were like, 'What the f---?!' The most exciting part of this has been seeing new faces as well as the original faces — our original fans are wonderful. But as a band, you want to reinvent yourself and you hope you get rediscovered. Black Sabbath is a great example; U2's evolved. They have a new audience and kept the original audience. That's our dream."

[perryfaithful]

U2's evolved. They have a new audience and kept the original audience.[/b] That's our dream."

The same significant line up.....most importantly the lead singer

[Andrew]

The same significant line up.....most importantly the lead singer

Oh for God's sake....bugger off with the lead vocalist comments. Enough shit-stirring ok?

[jrnyman28]

The same significant line up.....most importantly the lead singer

Oh for God's sake....bugger off with the lead vocalist comments. Enough shit-stirring ok?

neener neener neener!!:P

[cubby69]

U2's evolved. They have a new audience and kept the original audience.[/b] That's our dream."

The same significant line up.....most importantly the lead singer

Yes, because the lead singer wanted to be there....real important dont' ya think...

[Soledad?]

Yeah, but she has a point. U2 has been successful for so long because their frontman has been a constant. I agree with Nikki Sixx that U2 has mellowed too much, but one of the many factors in U2's continued success is the persistent presence of the frontman. Imagine if U2 replaced Bono? At this point, they couldn't, because he's such an icon.

Well, Perry was not as iconic as Bono, at least persona-wise, but he IS a vocal icon. Journey's music was illuminated by his voice.

So the vocal icon is gone - yes, by his own doing.

Yet the Journey somehow continues, with a Perry wanna-be.

Imagine if Bono left and U2 hired a Bono wanna-be? It wouldn't work.

I imagine if Bono left, the other members of U2 would simply move on to other musical projects, or maybe try out a different style of music, with a new, non-Bono-esque singer.

Schon and Cain should have done that.

[Rockindeano]

Yeah, but she has a point. U2 has been successful for so long because their frontman has been a constant. I agree with Nikki Sixx that U2 has mellowed too much, but one of the many factors in U2's continued success is the persistent presence of the frontman. Imagine if U2 replaced Bono? At this point, they couldn't, because he's such an icon.

Well, Perry was not as iconic as Bono, at least persona-wise, but he IS a vocal icon. Journey's music was illuminated by his voice.

So the vocal icon is gone - yes, by his own doing.

Yet the Journey somehow continues, with a Perry wanna-be.

Imagine if Bono left and U2 hired a Bono wanna-be? It wouldn't work.

I imagine if Bono left, the other members of U2 would simply move on to other musical projects, or maybe try out a different style of music, with a new, non-Bono-esque singer.

Schon and Cain should have done that.

HOTS, give it a rest. Perry wasn't as iconic as Bono because he was in a band who had stellar talent. Neal Schon is so much better than the "Edge"..what a fuckin stupid name, that all Bono has to do is get political and he stands out.

Nice try HOTS, trying to get the Dead perry issue going again.

Shame on you 28 for posting a topic that was sure to be derailed a few miles out of the station. I guess if Andrew is willing to take their antics, we shall be too.


Oh, Almost forgot to respond to Dave's post..

Dave, there is a point about the lead vocalist, but is rather small when talking about keeping it fresh. I applaud Motley Crue for keeping it fresh, and disgusted all the while. While Perry may be the biggest pussy to ever be in rock, and was one of the biggest assholes too, he wasn't as bad as Vince Niel, who really couldn't sing, got fat and got lypo suction, and oh yeah, killed some driver doing a beer run while shitfaced. The fact that MC has a chance to be fresh w/ Neil makes me sick. By the way, I saw them for free last month..very so so....

Oh, I still haven't made my point.

Journey is way too conservative to do anything out of the norm.....too bad.
Again, another day, another score for the Brainless bitches.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Schon and Cain should have done that.

They did, it was called "Bad English" and they got a #1 single out of it (something to this day Journey has yet to accomplish -with Perry or without).

ALong with that, there was also non-Journey musical endeavors such as "Hardline" and "Pirannah Blues"

As per usual, Soledad, u talk without knowing the facts.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Schon and Cain should have done that.

You Perryloons all talk as if creating a succesful band is so so sooo easy.

Neal and Jon managed to do it TWICE with Journey and Bad English. That's pretty rare.
Why must they start over for yet a third time?
Tell me, why should the other members acquiesce and give up on something they all helped build up?
Moreso, why should the other bandmates face prolonged privation due to ONE member's indolence?

Repeating "well at least the stone isn't cracked" as the repo men usurp your belongings, doesn't in any way redress one's current financial woes.

[OpeningAct]

Schon and Cain should have done that.

They did, it was called "Bad English" and they got a #1 single out of it (something to this day Journey has yet to accomplish -with Perry or without).

ALong with that, there was also non-Journey musical endeavors such as "Hardline" and "Pirannah Blues"

As per usual, Soledad, u talk without knowing the facts.

Journey has never had a No. 1 hit???? That's it, I'm off their bandwagon....

[Rockindeano]

Gotta give them their due...

5 posts in, and this post is circling the drain..

Nice job perryloons..phenominal.

[Andrew]

I'll close this topic I think....no extra looney business needed here.

[Rockindeano]

well, it was a good original question. Too bad some people live for this shit.

[NealIsGod]

Yeah, but she has a point. U2 has been successful for so long because their frontman has been a constant. I agree with Nikki Sixx that U2 has mellowed too much, but one of the many factors in U2's continued success is the persistent presence of the frontman. Imagine if U2 replaced Bono? At this point, they couldn't, because he's such an icon.

Well, Perry was not as iconic as Bono, at least persona-wise, but he IS a vocal icon. Journey's music was illuminated by his voice.

So the vocal icon is gone - yes, by his own doing.

Yet the Journey somehow continues, with a Perry wanna-be.

Imagine if Bono left and U2 hired a Bono wanna-be? It wouldn't work.

I imagine if Bono left, the other members of U2 would simply move on to other musical projects, or maybe try out a different style of music, with a new, non-Bono-esque singer.

Schon and Cain should have done that.

The thousands upon thousands of people attending Journey shows this summer disagree with you, Soledad. The music is bigger than any one person, same with U2.

[Liz22562]

Soledad?....where in the world do you get any type of idea that Steve Augeri is a 'perry wannabe'?????

1. Purchase Arrival.
2. Select Higher Places
3. Listen closely if you dare..Steve Augeri's voice will knock your socks
off. He's absolutely amazing......

He sounds nothing like Steve Perry, IMHO.

Journey On!

[Red13JoePa]

Soledad? wrote:

"Schon and Cain should have done that."

Uh, you mean you wish they could have been forced to do that, right? But they cannot be. The band and name is Neal Shcon's to do with as he pleases.

[jrnyman28]

Shame on you 28 for posting a topic that was sure to be derailed a few miles out of the station.

That would be ANY topic on this board!

Journey is way too conservative to do anything out of the norm.....too bad.

That is true. Too bad.

[perryfaithful]

The same significant line up.....most importantly the lead singer

Oh for God's sake....bugger off with the lead vocalist comments. Enough shit-stirring ok?

I HONESTLY believe that the solid line up over many years has been a major factor (not the only) for U2's success. This is not "shit stirring" Andrew. If someone else had just made the same comment, I fear you would have not even blinked. I would appreciate the respect of not being stereotyped and told what I am thinking and doing.

[jrnyman28]

I don't think Andrew would have said anything if you had simply said 'consistent line-up' or 'same line-up'. You specifically mentioned the lead singer, which attracts attention to your ever-present stance.

[NealIsGod]

The same significant line up.....most importantly the lead singer

Oh for God's sake....bugger off with the lead vocalist comments. Enough shit-stirring ok?

I HONESTLY believe that the solid line up over many years has been a major factor (not the only) for U2's success. This is not "shit stirring" Andrew. If someone else had just made the same comment, I fear you would have not even blinked. I would appreciate the respect of not being stereotyped and told what I am thinking and doing.

Puh-lease. Don't insult our intelligence.

[perryfaithful]

I don't think Andrew would have said anything if you had simply said 'consistent line-up' or 'same line-up'. You specifically mentioned the lead singer, which attracts attention to your ever-present stance.

.....and what do you think that "stance" is Dave? The lead singer is important. The current line up minus Bono? i fear it would not be the same success they have had. But forget that we were discussing U2 based on someones elses quote. All tracks lead back to Steve Perry when I speak. I am surprised at you. Of all people, I thought you were not only reasonable on allowing others to speak, BUT I didn't think you shared the Perry paranoia factor that some others here have.

I have to ask Andrew at this point....why have you asked each of the band members in your interviews about Steve Perry? Isn't he quite gone and we should all just shut up about him?? What's up with that?

[yak]

Puh-lease. Don't insult our intelligence.

Ditto. How can they insult another's intelligence, when they themselves haven't any?

The more things change (Journey) the more they stay the same. (Portuguese god worshippers)

What's up with that?

Jon should patent that phrase...You alone would owe him a bundle.

[jrnyman28]

I don't think Andrew would have said anything if you had simply said 'consistent line-up' or 'same line-up'. You specifically mentioned the lead singer, which attracts attention to your ever-present stance.

and what do you think that "stance" is Dave? ....All tracks lead back to Steve Perry when I speak.

You answer your own question for me. I know all your remarks lead back to Perry, so does Andrew.

I am surprised at you. Of all people, I thought you were not only reasonable on allowing others to speak, BUT I didn't think you shared the Perry paranoia factor that some others here have.

You are getting awfully defensive. I only answered what I felt was Andrew's reasoning for posting what he did. If I am wrong I am sure he would correct me. I have no problem letting people speak. And I try to react only to what is written, not to what may be inferred. You know that. I have no paranoia. However, one of your 'tactics' appears to be making a comment and then playing the victim when you are called on it. This appears to be another case of that.

[jrnyman28]

Also Perryfaithful, you are missing the main point of this thread..Can Journey market themselves to a younger audience? Motley Crue has Sum 41 opening for them on this tour. Why? To get a younger audience to their shows! It has been mentioned in the past that Journey should try hooking up with a young modern band that would compliment their style. I would not think of Sum 41 and MC, but Sum 41 has done some songs that honor MC's era and genre. So is this the best way for Journey to reach a younger audience? What else can they do? I tell you what, Journey is already connecting with a younger audience which is evidenced at the shows this year. My only criticism is that part of it still is connected to Perry-era songs appearing on Family Guy and Laguna Beach. It's good for the band, and they ARE playing new music, but I wish it was new music that was getting the attention. And IMO that new music is not getting the attention (yet) because the band is not pushing it (yet).

[Soledad?]

Soledad?....where in the world do you get any type of idea that Steve Augeri is a 'perry wannabe'?????

1. Purchase Arrival.
2. Select Higher Places
3. Listen closely if you dare..Steve Augeri's voice will knock your socks
off. He's absolutely amazing......

He sounds nothing like Steve Perry, IMHO.

Journey On!

1. I purchased Arrival years ago.
2. I have listened to Higher Places many times, as it's the only song I can stand on Arrival.
3. I have listened very closely, and while I like the song a lot, I disagree that he sounds nothing like Perry. I was honestly astonished at the similarities when I heard the song, because I had recently learned that they had hired a new singer, yet I wasn't anticipating the eerie similarities. I thought, and still think, that he sounds like Perry's vocal twin. And that's the cheapest thing about the song.

However, I agree it's a good song.

[Soledad?]

Schon and Cain should have done that.

They did, it was called "Bad English" and they got a #1 single out of it (something to this day Journey has yet to accomplish -with Perry or without).

ALong with that, there was also non-Journey musical endeavors such as "Hardline" and "Pirannah Blues"

As per usual, Soledad, u talk without knowing the facts.

First off, I did know about Bad English. I didn't know about the others, though, but I'm not ashamed about that. Why should I be? Knowing Journey trivia does not make you some omniscient deity. Though I suspect you enjoy lording that over people.

Besides, I mean they should form another band altogether, and forget Journey. I don't mean "side projects." Big yawn.

Journey is stale: time to face the reality here folks.

[Andrew]

With all respect - it's time for you to quit posting the same old stuff.

We understand your feelings on this subject - no need to continually repeat that view.

We GET it.

[NealIsGod]

With all respect - it's time for you to quit posting the same old stuff.

We understand your feelings on this subject - no need to continually repeat that view.

We GET it.

Yeah, you have posted the same shit over and over, Soledad. How about something fresh and interesting?

[Rockindeano]

With all respect - it's time for you to quit posting the same old stuff.

We understand your feelings on this subject - no need to continually repeat that view.

We GET it.

Yeah, you have posted the same shit over and over, Soledad. How about something fresh and interesting?

Who is this Soledad "person" you keep referring to?

[The_Noble_Cause]

However, one of your 'tactics' appears to be making a comment and then playing the victim when you are called on it. This appears to be another case of that.

This is the 3rd time now that Andrew has justly called her on her bullshit and she instantaneously whips out the victim card. I don't know how much longer she thinks she can play Andrew for a fool like this.