Here From Back Talk

[Angiekay]

Do you remember Pack from "Ambrosia," Angie?

He has Ann Wilson on the album also.

I hope that you stick around here as I think that you would have some interesting output to contribute. Some of us aren't in total agreement with the rest but we agree to disagree.

Andrew is very tolerant, to a point.

If you ask me, a little TOO tolerent sometimes.

Yes, I remember Pack. I LOVED Ambrosia. I'll have to check it out!

[Red13JoePa]

Oh, they're straight. Unlike you I'm not going off half-cocked on this one. But that's just the kind of guy you are, right?
Anyhow the band has said time and again that they're time constrained by fairs to about an hour and a half. Get that through your head. Your fair is not the only one in the country that got 90 minutes. And it's common knowledge and backed up by band statements that that's how long their allowed to play most fairs. YOUR town's fair, contrary to every sour grape you've posted in here, IS NOT THE TEMPLATE for all the national fairs they play. And if they asked for a minimum of 75-90, then the band obliged. And if objects are being tossed at them from the crowd please explain the genesis of your sense of entitlement to them risking physical harm just because the crowd "deserves" an encore. And what's with the hypocritical policing of peoples' "nice mouth"s? Maybe YOU should take your OWN advice and go back and reread the Gene Simmons thread down there. The first one to toss an expletive out there was you, kiddo.

LMAO!!! THAT whole trirade you just posted was not half cocked?! Such hypocrisy around here

Ok, Miss, "that was yesterday and we should deal with what is at hand in THIS topic" This has nothing to do with throwing objects, but thanks for YOU being able to drag that up again, when I'm the one that's always "rehashing things" We are not talking Sioux Fall's show, or bottles. we are talking around ONE policy for all situations. YOU JUST SAID: "And I'll say what HOTS already knows that the fair shows are time-constrained to an hour and a half. " THAT is horsecrap. Some fairs get 90 minutes SOME get three hours. It's one or the other, not both. Try and keep it at the topic at hand. And if you can show me an expletive in this thread, feel free. Show a little maturity. I know that can be a stretch for a few of you around here.

Oh you didn't use an expletive in THIS thread. That's good.
Listen, Dodgy. Ever heard of the phrase "exception to the rule?"
They're everywhere in this life. How pompous of you to come in here still whining and stamping your damn feet that your city's fair was one of the exceptions to the rule in life. What a narcissistic self-absorbed piece of work you are. Paso Robles got 90 and the band left unscathed. Atlantic City will get 2 90 minute shows, one of which I'll be at and I'd hazard a guess that flying glass aimed at the stage will be a non-issue at both of those events too unless the Noble Cause sees Deano show up on the stage. Stop dodging the issues that your city is not the be all to end all of show duration standards. Stop dodging the issue that some of the lowlifes out there threw stuff at the band and the part THAT played in your much lamented about non-encore. It is absolutely DISGUSTING that you just excuse that as a minor little something I "dragged up again."

Your pal, RedfaceJoe.

[Angiekay]

Ever heard of the phrase "exception to the rule?"

HELLO! That's ALL I wanted you to acknowledge in the first place! But you had to write two snotty posts to do it!! All I pointed out was that YOUR post made it sound that ALL fairs were 90 minutes period and that was the way it was, when that's NOT true. I KNOW they all aren't the same situation. Thanks for finally admitting that!

[jwsw_jeff]

Yes, I remember Pack. I LOVED Ambrosia. I'll have to check it out!

David Pack has had a great solo career. He had a song you might remember from the white nights soundtrack called "Lead Me On" that became part of a solo album called "Anywhere You Go." I thought it was excellent.

He also made some AWESOME contributions on the Alan Parsons CD "Try Anything Once."

Jazz phenom David Benoit was featuring him for a while, one track per album.

Is any of this Melodic Rock? Not in my book. But if you like great vocals, they were definitely that.

[Red13JoePa]

Sorry... Angie, Andrew...

I have been attacked all day long and I finally popped off. Yeah, Angie, I read that wrong.

Plus, I've been drinkin'. It's pretty sad that I let a webforum ruin my day, but I did. And I am hammered. It's not an excuse, just an explanation. I was still wrong to write that.

I apologize profusely. Sincerely.

Ah, yeah, Jack Daniels and Mr. Bud don't play well with others sometime! Apology accepted, Jeff!

(Slap my forehead)
(sigh)

Jeff.
Jeff, Jeff, Jeff.

Andrew already talked to you, no need to feed the 5,000 lb gorrilia known as Kay's ego.

[jwsw_jeff]

Jack Daniels and Mr. Bud don't play well with others sometime! Apology accepted, Jeff!

Actually, Mr. Patron tequila. And usually I am a really happy drunk. I had been wanting to say that to someone all day (who deserved it), and biting my tongue. I guess alcohol DOES lower inhibitions!

Actually, I drank half the damn bottle... I am frankly amazed I could type in that state, but I still feel badly. Thanks for accepting my apologies...

AND I PROMISE... no more drinking and posting for me!

[Red13JoePa]

Stop, Jeff!!!!!!!!!!!


Kay needs more apologies (or even AN apology to being with) like this country needs another hurricane.

[Red13JoePa]

Ever heard of the phrase "exception to the rule?"

HELLO! That's ALL I wanted you to acknowledge in the first place! But you had to write two snotty posts to do it!! All I pointed out was that YOUR post made it sound that ALL fairs were 90 minutes period and that was the way it was, when that's NOT true. I KNOW they all aren't the same situation. Thanks for finally admitting that!

If you understand SF was an exception, then why in HELL do you keep coming in here bitching that YOUR town ONLY got an hour and half? You feel slighted for your handful of listeners. You think that town deserved a 3 hour show despite known oddities of fair time constraints and almost HALVED ticket prices. You think the band had an obligation to risk their health playing an encore with christ knows what flying out of the hands of those nitwits in the audience towards the stage.
WE GET IT. Stop gnashing your teeth about it every time you come into a thread.

[Angiekay]

:oops:

Stop, Jeff!!!!!!!!!!!


Kay needs more apologies (or even AN apology to being with) like this country needs another hurricane.

Red, let go of the anger. You'll feel better and be a better person....maybe.



lol!

[Red13JoePa]

That's embarrassment for Jeff and all of us who have to witness your ass being kissed, not anger, you complete fool.


This is anger: . Like Bobby Knight at a reporter.
This is Twisted Evil anger, like a fan trying hit someone on stage with a thrown foreign object.:


This is embarrasment, what you keep heaping on yourself here when you get near a keyboard or microphone I guess...

[NoMoreTails]

Did Journey play Lovin'Touchin'Squeezin' at the fair?
This has been their encore song at all of the shows on this tour, as far as I have heard. I'm wondering if SF got the encore song, but no waiting for the band to come back on stage to do it.

[Angiekay]

If you understand SF was an exception, then why in HELL do you keep coming in here bitching that YOUR town ONLY got an hour and half? You feel slighted for your handful of listeners. You think that town deserved a 3 hour show despite known oddities of fair time constraints and almost HALVED ticket prices. You think the band had an obligation to risk their health playing an encore with christ knows what flying out of the hands of those nitwits in the audience towards the stage.
WE GET IT. Stop gnashing your teeth about it every time you come into a thread.

WHO can't let WHAT go!? You just go on and on because you don't like me. Guess what? I DON'T CARE what you think of me or the Sioux Falls situation. Here's a clue. I was responding to others questions and opinions and once again, you stick your nose in. If you don't like my opinion or what I think happened, tough. Ignore it! You slam and slam me, call me names and then make all nicey nicey when you want me to play new Journey music. THEN you start up again with all the condensending crap and just calling names and being mean to be that way. It has nothing to do with Journey or the concert or the new album. You just don't like me. Boo hoo. I'm not going away so post all your smack you want too. You and NIG can go on being immature and hateful and saying things you think make you look cool. People can see the difference for themselves. Until either one of you can have an intelligent and civil conversation with me(and I"m not holding my breath), I"m done responding to both of you.


Have a day.

[Red13JoePa]

Not one refutation of anything I posted exposing both your ingnorant stupididty and your sense of entitlement to free cds, encores and longer cheaper shows for your town only. Only a passing, "so what? It happened" reference to the barbaric crowd behavior that necessitated a police escort for the band.
Instead, a white flag telling me I'm too mean and you can't handle me or NIG so you'll ignore us? (What the F does HE have to do with this anyway? He's not in here. Leave him alone.) Well, when you come in here and knock the place and its posters and the owner, get ready. Cuz it's coming.
Maybe you won't have give up looking stupid against us if you just do what you do at work. Have somebody type up copy with a good sound argument, not just bombast and hand it to you to do the data entry here.

[NealIsGod]

You and NIG can go on being immature and hateful and saying things you think make you look cool. People can see the difference for themselves. Until either one of you can have an intelligent and civil conversation with me(and I"m not holding my breath), I"m done responding to both of you.

Since you brought my name into it...

Everyone on this board sees through you. I am sure Red13 and I would win a popularity contest over you any day. You try to proclaim yourself as a person of power and influence. BALONEY. You work in a dying industry that is deperately trying to compete with satellite radio and iPods. Hope you have your resume ready.

And the SD incident is ancient history. Let it go. With all the tragedy this country is experiencing these days, the length of a rock concert doesn't even amount to a speck of dust.

[Angiekay]

Since you brought my name into it...

Everyone on this board sees through you. I am sure Red13 and I would win a popularity contest over you any day. You try to proclaim yourself as a person of power and influence. BALONEY. You work in a dying industry that is deperately trying to compete with satellite radio and iPods. Hope you have your resume ready.

And the SD incident is ancient history. Let it go. With all the tragedy this country is experiencing these days, the length of a rock concert doesn't even amount to a speck of dust.


Plus redhead wrote:
Not one refutation of anything I posted exposing both your ingnorant stupididty and your sense of entitlement to free cds, encores and longer cheaper shows for your town only. Only a passing, "so what? It happened" reference to the barbaric crowd behavior that necessitated a police escort for the band.

LMAO!!! OMG..you two are precious. Get this folks, they want ME to quit rehashing and talking about it, but every chance they get they want to me to refute it and bring up every little detail of it! Oh, and does anyone else notice these are basically the only TWO who care. Know why? Because they are mad at Deano for bringing me to this board in the first place. I disturbed their little Journey love fest! Their high school popularity contest is at stake. THE HORROR!!


Thanks for the laugh guys!!! See you at cheerleading practice tonight! LMAO!!

[Red13JoePa]

Angie Kay wrote: "Here's a clue. I was responding to others questions and opinions and once again, you stick your nose in. If you don't like my opinion or what I think happened, tough. Ignore it!"

Hmm. A far cry form how your participation in this discussion came about, coming right at me with caps and all manner of exclamation points as I responded to HOTS' post. Here you are:

"Red13JoePa wrote:
And I'll say what HOTS already knows that the fair shows are time-constrained to an hour and a half.



PLEASE get your facts straight!!! Fairs (in our case)request a MINIMUM of 75-90minutes. After that they ENCOURAGE bands to go as long as they want. The night after Journey played here the bands went for five hours. If you are talking Journey in particular, they need to set that rule for ALL fairs because I talked to people who'd been to fairs where Journey played the full three hours. "

It would seem as though YOU were the first one who would not ingore MY post when you didn't like what you read. As per usual with you selective recall and practice of your own rules and suggestions is in effect. You're looking more and more like someone with a percieved slight and an axe to grind with each post.

[NealIsGod]

Because they are mad at Deano for bringing me to this board in the first place.

Mad? Hell, it's been great exposing you for the narcissistic, delusional harpy you are. Keep spewing ridiculous statements, keep trying to look important, we will be on you like stink on crap.

[Red13JoePa]

AngieKay wrote (in her first post in here): "Sturgis actually GOT the 3 hour show(god forbid they piss off a bunch of bikers). "


Her first thing in here is yet MORE bullshit sour grapes about SF not getting their money's worth. Again, more selective recall of her own advice.


I, NIG, and others however, are the ones that need to drop this and stop rehashing that.

And as for this attempt to talk about yet another guy who's not here:
quote="NealIsGod"]

Because they are mad at Deano for bringing me to this board in the first place.

No I'm not. Deano's my friend so the only thing I'm mad at him for is stopping posting here. And yet again, that's fraying your own rotator cuff trying to clap yourself on the back. that would be to imply that your posts expose things about the band we don't want out or we can't handle ourselves against you in a debate. Quite the opposite, EVERY time you bump up againtst me.

[Angiekay]

I, NIG, and others however, are the ones that need to drop this and stop rehashing that.

Ya THINK?! lol!

[heardonthestreet]

Yes, I remember Pack. I LOVED Ambrosia. I'll have to check it out!

David Pack has had a great solo career. He had a song you might remember from the white nights soundtrack called "Lead Me On" that became part of a solo album called "Anywhere You Go." I thought it was excellent.

He also made some AWESOME contributions on the Alan Parsons CD "Try Anything Once."

Jazz phenom David Benoit was featuring him for a while, one track per album.

Is any of this Melodic Rock? Not in my book. But if you like great vocals, they were definitely that.

Yes Jeff, but on Ambrosia's "One Eighty" album, the songs "You're The Only Women" and "Biggest Part Of Me" are classic rock in my opinion and I can't imagine a classic rock station not playing them. They were a couple of their biggest.

[NealIsGod]

Yes Jeff, but on Ambrosia's "One Eighty" album, the songs "You're The Only Women" and "Biggest Part Of Me" are classic rock in my opinion and I can't imagine a classic rock station not playing them. They were a couple of their biggest.

I only hear those songs on the lite station, never on classic rock. But I like them!

[Red13JoePa]

HOTS, that all started with ME tossing a barb at you that you ignored but she couldn't

[heardonthestreet]

I know that Joe. Say you're sorry, loll.

I asked the question because I was trying to figure out when and why the shorter setlists started and the remark about the bottle throwing was just for identifiable purposes..
I think that a lot of the rules were changed along the way and a lot of people had am misconception of just what they were getting. I do think that some were short changed as the tour progressed and they changed to fit the bands agenda.
Less interest in prejourney
No interest in Generations, at first. You guys had a fit when you found out that they were cutting back on new material.
In early July, the band was near me at a summer celebration, with other bands, and they played for 2 1/2 hrs. No c.d..The writeup in the paper had complaints about the lack of a c.d. And the missing 1/2 hour. The ticket price was around $35.00. Go figure.
If they cut the hrs. on the high ticket concerts just to make it easy for Cain, I'd want Jon to show me his scar.

[NealIsGod]

I know that Joe. Say you're sorry, loll.

I asked the question because I was trying to figure out when and why the shorter setlists started and the remark about the bottle throwing was just for identifiable purposes..
I think that a lot of the rules were changed along the way and a lot of people had am misconception of just what they were getting. I do think that some were short changed as the tour progressed and they changed to fit the bands agenda.
Less interest in prejourney
No interest in Generations, at first. You guys had a fit when you found out that they were cutting back on new material.
In early July, the band was near me at a summer celebration, with other bands, and they played for 2 1/2 hrs. No c.d..The writeup in the paper had complaints about the lack of a c.d. And the missing 1/2 hour. The ticket price was around $35.00. Go figure.
If they cut the hrs. on the high ticket concerts just to make it easy for Cain, I'd want Jon to show me his scar.

I'll be you would like to see his scar, HOTS!

I would like confirmation from Journey as to why CDs aren't being given out at some shows. I don't think Journey is at fault, since they seem excited about getting the music out there. But it would be nice to have one definitive explanation, not just "some venues don't allow it."

[Red13JoePa]

HOTS wrote: "If they cut the hrs. on the high ticket concerts just to make it easy for Cain, I'd want Jon to show me his scar."


My god. And you WOULD, too.
Er, that is if you actually WENT to see Journey.

NIG wrote: "But it would be nice to have one definitive explanation, not just "some venues don't allow it.""

Come on, NIG. Vagueries about "accounting procedures of the venues" not enoough for ya


Somebody tell Angie, as I'm heretofore on her pay-no-mind list until such time as I can stimulate her with "intelligent civil conversation (strike anybody else as oxymoronic coming outa her?)" that I just criticized the band. Regular red-letter day, yessir.
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"Here's to 3 miserable months on the wagon and all the irreperable harm it's caused me" ---Jack Torrance

[jwsw_jeff]

Yes Jeff, but on Ambrosia's "One Eighty" album, the songs "You're The Only Women" and "Biggest Part Of Me" are classic rock in my opinion and I can't imagine a classic rock station not playing them. They were a couple of their biggest.

Well, for starters, I was referring ONLY to Pack's post-ambrosia stuff.

Second, there can be a large amount of interpretation with radio formatics, and everything but the Benoit collaborations could find their way to some rock station... somewhere. I was just expressing my own opinion.

If I was programming classic rock, I wouldn't add them. If I was doing a more contemporary hits version or something a bit more hot AC, I definitely would.

Personally, it would be great to hear that station, because they would probably be playing a lot of melodic rock, including the recent releases by JOURNEY!

[jwsw_jeff]

If they cut the hrs. on the high ticket concerts just to make it easy for Cain, I'd want Jon to show me his scar.

Too funny. Unfortunately they probably did the laproscopic procedure through his navel, so there won't be a scar.

I wrote on BT originally that ...all the classic Journey diehards out there will now complain that Journey isn't "really" Journey anymore now that Jon's appendix has left the band...

[jrnyman28]

Unfortunately they probably did the laproscopic procedure through his navel, so there won't be a scar.

Yep, that's the one.

I wrote on BT originally that ...all the classic Journey diehards out there will now complain that Journey isn't "really" Journey anymore now that Jon's appendix has left the band...

That was the funniest, sickest thread I have read in a while. Especially in the GF at BT!!

[jwsw_jeff]

Well, I am a sick individual, and occasionally funny...

[Monker]

I disturbed their little Journey love fest! Their high school popularity contest is at stake. THE HORROR!!

Ok, which one of you guys are going to spill the pig blood on her? Come on, fess up....I know there was a plan there somewhere.