The Augeri Interview...

[Red13JoePa]

You sir, are a buffoon. In fact, you give buffoon's a bad name.

Ain't THAT the truth?

Welcome back Dean. Don't let 'em get to you...that's what they live for.

Love the part where he called it "Sir."

[heardonthestreet]

I think that Perry just got tired of turning down Neal's amps.

[Red13JoePa]

.....And Neal's STILL raising hell with his sound dudes.
I see at least 2 times on the DVD he's pointing at his axe then up to the ceiling while glaring at the sound guy. After one of those times he just starts shaking his head at the guy in disgust.


You gotta admit, if anybody deserves to be able to crank that thing it's Neal.

[perryfaithful]

Just as a newcomer to the board, I dont know why there has to be all this angst against the people like myself who would support Journey unconditionally.

I don't think any one here follows the band "unconditionally".
In fact, I've ripped them a new one countless times.
If I like something they do, I say that.
If something they do sucks, then I say that, too.

Just like me!!

[The_Noble_Cause]

Just as a newcomer to the board, I dont know why there has to be all this angst against the people like myself who would support Journey unconditionally.

I don't think any one here follows the band "unconditionally".
In fact, I've ripped them a new one countless times.
If I like something they do, I say that.
If something they do sucks, then I say that, too.

Just like me!!

LMAO

Is that why as soon as I posted something about the new cd (which you haven't heard) you immediately started bashing it?
It's too late to try to pool the wool over our eyes, deary.
We're all too well aware of what you are.

[Monker]

While I don't think FTLOSM is the best thing in the world...it certainly isn't bad by any stretch of the imagination.

When I first heard FTLOSM I felt it was the worst Journey related CD I had ever heard...and I still feel that way. Perry's vocals are horrible. The production is so bad you can hear every breath he takes, and he takes many. It also dominates over all of the instruments to the detriment of the sound of the songs. With the exception of YBW (which is written by about ten people) and "Missing You", the songwriting is mediocre at best. The playing sounds uninspired and emotionless. Linc sounds like a poor Schon imitation (at a time when Josh Ramos was turning heads in the Storm for sounding so much like Neal). The bass is buried in the mix in most songs and the drums sound overly simplistic and mechanical. Paul Taylor was hyped as this great rock songwriter and keyboardist - like a Jonathan Cain...but he seemed to fail to bring that to the table, or Perry axed his contributions. Most of the songs are written from this dark and dreary, depressing, perspective - and that becomes way over bearing and hard to listen to. The CD5's are better...and could have replaced many of the yawners on FTLOSM - and they SHOULD HAVE.

After hearing YBW, and buying the single, I REALLY wanted this CD because I believed it would follow the example of the music on the single. I don't think it was an coincident that as soon as the album was released, the single dropped off the charts and FTLOSM disapeared VERY quickly. It just is NOT a very good CD - and everybody knew it. It was not nearly what it was hyped up as being...Perry talking about jamming with Motley Crue. Nuno talking about recording with Perry for the album. People saying Perry/Paul would be as good of a combo as Perry/Cain. None of it happened, and a mediocre CD was released with an initial positive reaction - and then it was ignored by radio and record buyers.

It's mediocre at best...and it doesn't take much of a stretch for me to think of it as 'bad'.

[Red13JoePa]

yes, He DID mention working on stuff with Nikki Sixx during those sessions, Monker.
And Nuno too...
(Shrug my shoulders) whatever...

[NealIsGod]

Uh oh, Monker, I think I hear HOTS, PF and PROPERRY clicking away on their keyboards...

[amaron]

and then it was ignored by radio and record buyers.

So much so that he played something to the effect of 4-6 Journey songs in his FTLOSM tour set.

[jrnyman28]

(though I felt their performance back in 99 at Redrocks was a little weak).

Are you referring to the Foreigner/Journey show? I was at that show as well. That was my first introduction to Steve Augeri. I had a good time, Steve did a good job, but he was so cautious to begin with. It took Steve half the show to start becoming a frontman. But the show was good enough to reindle my love of Journey. I also though Lou did a heckuva a job singing for Foreigner so soon after his brain tumor was removed. Rained like crazy through his set and he took it! I remember that Neal was still dissing Perry in radio interviews at the time (which I didn't care for) but he made a good point that if Lou could come back from brain surgery, Perry could have come back from hip surgery.

[ohsherrie]

I'm not part of an "entity" and I don't like being called a Perryhead, Perryloon, or put into any other catagory. PF, HOTS, and I are friends, but we don't necessarily agree on all things related to Perry or Journey. We just happen to share certain opinions on the subject and most of those opinions don't happen to agree with most of yours.

As for our having an agenda, if we do then so do you. We all come here for the same purpose. We all want our feelings and opinions on Journey to be known. You want to show that you support the band's decision to replace Steve, I want to say that not all Journey fans feel that way and why.

Back in the late '90s, when I first started checking out Journey messageboards, most of what I found was people trashing Steve for no other reason than to promote the idea that the band was better off without him and that Augeri was a better frontman. That same thing continues to happen here. I've read plenty of threads in which you, yourselves, bring up Steve Perry as a point of comparison(see the current thread where Monker gives his review of Generations). Whether you're talking about his voice, his songwriting, or his character, some of you are invariably just as scathing as any if us has ever been about the current band. But that's OK, right?

Yes, there is absolutely a difference between being a Perry fan and being a Perry/Journey fan who doesn't support the current band. If you're a Perry fan who supports the current band and join in the negative critcisms of Perry in support of them, then you're acceptable. If however, you are a fan who only likes the Perry era of Journey(you know, the one that earned them millions of fans), and you say anything critical about the current band, you're a pariah.

The only "entity" on this board is Journey. The only "agenda" is to express our opinions.

[The_Noble_Cause]

I'm not part of an "entity" and I don't like being called a Perryhead, Perryloon, or put into any other catagory.

If it walks like a duck, if it quacks like a duck......

PF, HOTS, and I are friends, but we don't necessarily agree on all things related to Perry or Journey.

Maybe if you guys actually had intelligent discussion about all-things-Perry related this would be evident.
But you rarely do.
You just piggyback onto the current-era themed threads and attempt to subvert them.
(coincidentally, much like what you guys did to this very one)

We all come here for the same purpose. We all want our feelings and opinions on Journey to be known. You want to show that you support the band's decision to replace Steve,

Lady, that's not why the majority of us are here.
We are here to talk objectively about the band and the music.
We don't come here to "show support" or propagandize.
We are fans, not brainwashed zealots or pom-pom toting sycophantic cheerleaders, such as yourself.

I want to say that not all Journey fans feel that way and why.

Yes, we've got that.
You've only made it your life's mission to state it 5000000000 times each day for the past eleven years.

I've read plenty of threads in which you, yourselves, bring up Steve Perry as a point of comparison(see the current thread where Monker gives his review of Generations).

So? What's wrong with that?

Whether you're talking about his voice, his songwriting, or his character, some of you are invariably just as scathing as any if us has ever been about the current band. But that's OK, right?

Saying that Perry is retired is NOT scathing.
Saying Perry's voice is currently raspy is NOT scathing.
Just because it isn't a kiss-ass compliment does not make it scathing.

If however, you are a fan who only likes the Perry era of Journey(you know, the one that earned them millions of fans), and you say anything critical about the current band, you're a pariah.

Gee, that's funny.
Jeremy was pretty "critical" of the guys' new album and he wasn't treated as a pariah.
Why could that be?
Maybe because his criticisms were valid and corroborated and not just the standard baseless bashing that you 'Loons spew forth on a quotidian basis?

In fact, I've posted critical messages, too (just check out my distinctively negative thread regarding the CBS show).
So how come I'm not treated like a pariah?

The only "agenda" is to express our opinions.

Please.
You don't have opinions, you have ONE opinion.
And that is "I miss Steve Perry and am a big fat dumb overgrown baby whaa whaa whaa"
Get a life.

[Red13JoePa]

True that, TheCause.
Hunsicker was VERY critical of Gens and the lineup and nobody went at him with pitchforks. He had opinions buttressed with much empirical data not just "I don't like Augeri b/c he's trying to look like pErry."

[Argus]

While I don't think FTLOSM is the best thing in the world...it certainly isn't bad by any stretch of the imagination.

When I first heard FTLOSM I felt it was the worst Journey related CD I had ever heard...and I still feel that way. Perry's vocals are horrible. The production is so bad you can hear every breath he takes, and he takes many. It also dominates over all of the instruments to the detriment of the sound of the songs. With the exception of YBW (which is written by about ten people) and "Missing You", the songwriting is mediocre at best. The playing sounds uninspired and emotionless. Linc sounds like a poor Schon imitation (at a time when Josh Ramos was turning heads in the Storm for sounding so much like Neal). The bass is buried in the mix in most songs and the drums sound overly simplistic and mechanical. Paul Taylor was hyped as this great rock songwriter and keyboardist - like a Jonathan Cain...but he seemed to fail to bring that to the table, or Perry axed his contributions. Most of the songs are written from this dark and dreary, depressing, perspective - and that becomes way over bearing and hard to listen to. The CD5's are better...and could have replaced many of the yawners on FTLOSM - and they SHOULD HAVE.

After hearing YBW, and buying the single, I REALLY wanted this CD because I believed it would follow the example of the music on the single. I don't think it was an coincident that as soon as the album was released, the single dropped off the charts and FTLOSM disapeared VERY quickly. It just is NOT a very good CD - and everybody knew it. It was not nearly what it was hyped up as being...Perry talking about jamming with Motley Crue. Nuno talking about recording with Perry for the album. People saying Perry/Paul would be as good of a combo as Perry/Cain. None of it happened, and a mediocre CD was released with an initial positive reaction - and then it was ignored by radio and record buyers.

It's mediocre at best...and it doesn't take much of a stretch for me to think of it as 'bad'.

I agree with Monker about the breathing and not a decent Rocker to be had on FTLOSM, IMO.

[yak]

I have heard pieces of the Stone's new album and it sounds awesome!

Why not go pull your shit on a Stones board then?

This place reeks of hypocrisy.

As do you, HOTS.

I'm not part of an "entity" and I don't like being called a Perryhead, Perryloon, or put into any other catagory.

As others don't relish being called a "Schonieloonie," whatever that's supposed to mean.

We all come here for the same purpose.

UMMMM.....NO, we don't.

The only "entity" on this board is Journey. The only "agenda" is to express our opinions.

Yes, Journey IS the only entity here. The board is devoted to the band. Since this band is on a successful tour, selling out venues, is putting on a great show in which everybody participates, including the frontman, Steve Augeri, and has a great new CD Generations, of course fans are going to come her to talk about Journey. Of course everybody has a diferent opinion, but that's what makes the world go 'round.

NO, you are not "expressing" your opinions. You take things and spin them out of control with your double talk, and when all is said and done, you have said the same old shit, in one more retreaded form. So transparent.

Stop your whining, big girl.

[PROPERRY]

I'm not part of an "entity" and I don't like being called a Perryhead, Perryloon, or put into any other catagory. PF, HOTS, and I are friends, but we don't necessarily agree on all things related to Perry or Journey. We just happen to share certain opinions on the subject and most of those opinions don't happen to agree with most of yours.

As for our having an agenda, if we do then so do you. We all come here for the same purpose. We all want our feelings and opinions on Journey to be known. You want to show that you support the band's decision to replace Steve, I want to say that not all Journey fans feel that way and why.

Back in the late '90s, when I first started checking out Journey messageboards, most of what I found was people trashing Steve for no other reason than to promote the idea that the band was better off without him and that Augeri was a better frontman. That same thing continues to happen here. I've read plenty of threads in which you, yourselves, bring up Steve Perry as a point of comparison(see the current thread where Monker gives his review of Generations). Whether you're talking about his voice, his songwriting, or his character, some of you are invariably just as scathing as any if us has ever been about the current band. But that's OK, right?

Yes, there is absolutely a difference between being a Perry fan and being a Perry/Journey fan who doesn't support the current band. If you're a Perry fan who supports the current band and join in the negative critcisms of Perry in support of them, then you're acceptable. If however, you are a fan who only likes the Perry era of Journey(you know, the one that earned them millions of fans), and you say anything critical about the current band, you're a pariah.

The only "entity" on this board is Journey. The only "agenda" is to express our opinions.

ohsherrrie,

I thought you stated your case here very well, & agree with it whole heartedly. It is unfortunate that SOME here have to be so hateful & ugly in THEIR response to YOUR very intelligent & non attacking post.

Lori

[The_Noble_Cause]

ohsherrrie,

I thought you stated your case here very well, & agree with it whole heartedly. It is unfortunate that SOME here have to be so hateful & ugly in THEIR response to YOUR very intelligent & non attacking post.

Lori

Typical Perryloon' default maneuver.
When called spot-on about ur bullshit, always deflect the issue.
Deflect, deflect, deflect....

[yak]

ohsherrrie,
I thought you stated your case here very well, & agree with it whole heartedly. Lori

SOOOO...Tell us something we DON'T know!

For the Love of Sweet Jesus, will you please stop copy and pasting verbatim?

[PROPERRY]

ohsherrrie,

I thought you stated your case here very well, & agree with it whole heartedly. It is unfortunate that SOME here have to be so hateful & ugly in THEIR response to YOUR very intelligent & non attacking post.

Lori

Typical Perryloon' default maneuver.
When called spot-on about ur bullshit, always deflect the issue.
Deflect, deflect, deflect....

Maybe the two of you (NC & Yak) should just "deflect" from reading & responding to my post.

Lori

[The_Noble_Cause]

Maybe the two of you (NC & Yak) should just "deflect" from reading & responding to my post.

Lori

Or maybe you can actually try to answer some of the cogent points I raised in response to your long winded diatribe.

You claim that if one dares say "anything critical" about the new lineup they're instantaneously treated like a pariah. I'm calling ur bluff and saying that's a load and a half.
The fans here are critical all the time, including me.
Besides, if what you say is true, then how do you account for Jeremy mercilessly criticizing the new album and yet still getting treated with civility and respect?
Well..?
How do you account for that?

I'll be waiting...

[Monker]

As for our having an agenda, if we do then so do you. We all come here for the same purpose. We all want our feelings and opinions on Journey to be known. You want to show that you support the band's decision to replace Steve, I want to say that not all Journey fans feel that way and why.

I think you are completely wrong about that. This is SUPPOSED to be a DISCUSSION forum - not a 'vent my feelings' forum. The people, ON BOTH SIDES, who just want to VENT should not even be in a DISCUSSION forum.

Perhaps Andrew should verify the above - but, that is MY impression of things.

Back in the late '90s, when I first started checking out Journey messageboards, most of what I found was people trashing Steve for no other reason than to promote the idea that the band was better off without him and that Augeri was a better frontman.

Bullshit. Perry pissed off and/or deeply disapointed a LOT of Journey fans by his antics. Then you get people pushing back against that basicaly saying he did nothing wrong and the bad feelings that Perry's desertion of both Journey and Journey's fans caused were not valid. THAT is where the conflict started back then.

There are people I had HUGE disagreements with prior to TBF who I get along with completely fine with today because what happened with TBF opened their minds to accepting someone replacing Steve Perry...and they are HUGE Perry fans.

That same thing continues to happen here. I've read plenty of threads in which you, yourselves, bring up Steve Perry as a point of comparison(see the current thread where Monker gives his review of Generations). Whether you're talking about his voice, his songwriting, or his character, some of you are invariably just as scathing as any if us has ever been about the current band. But that's OK, right?

Yes...because it's not there just to 'be there' as what some of you now post. I was pointing out that the 'olden days' were not any more 'perfect' then they are now. So, that is translated into some kinda malicious post because I am saying NO GENERATION of Journey is 'perfect'? Please, that's ridiculous.

Yes, there is absolutely a difference between being a Perry fan and being a Perry/Journey fan who doesn't support the current band.

No, but there is a difference between being a Journey fan who doesn't support the current band and being a Journey fan who wants to do nothing but vent about what they don't like.

If you're a Perry fan who supports the current band and join in the negative critcisms of Perry in support of them, then you're acceptable. If however, you are a fan who only likes the Perry era of Journey(you know, the one that earned them millions of fans), and you say anything critical about the current band, you're a pariah.

Oh, I see, so I am a 'pariah' since I layed down a LOT of critique about Generations? I'm a paraiah because I lay down a lot of critique of their choice of songs for the current tour? I'm a pariah because I critiqued the advanced ticket sales?

The difference is that I speak my mind on it and let it go. I don't go about constantly harping on those issues for seven years or more.

The only "entity" on this board is Journey. The only "agenda" is to express our opinions.

It feels like an 'agenda' because the ONLY opinions you seem to want to share are negative diatribes about Journey. You say you are a fan of Perry and 'classic' Journey - but you hardly EVER talk about those things you are supposedly a fan of and instead do nothing but snipe at Journey. Even when you DO talk about what you are a fan of, it will include a snipe at Journey anyway. "Oh, I love the '81 video. Too bad Perry's not around to turn down Neal's amp!" That's the way you guys post.

[Monker]

and then it was ignored by radio and record buyers.

So much so that he played something to the effect of 4-6 Journey songs in his FTLOSM tour set.

Yeah, and the songs made such an impression that the FTLOSM tour STILL did not give YBW, or the album, legs on the charts.

[Andrew]

I think you are completely wrong about that. This is SUPPOSED to be a DISCUSSION forum - not a 'vent my feelings' forum. The people, ON BOTH SIDES, who just want to VENT should not even be in a DISCUSSION forum.

Perhaps Andrew should verify the above - but, that is MY impression of things.

I'm happy with that description. I agree that most agruments from both sides have stemmed from VENTING and not DISCUSSING.

[ohsherrie]

Monker, believe it or not, neither you nor anything that YOU said in the thread that I mentioned had anything to do with the point I was trying to make. Your thread was just an example.

You and Andrew are both right about this though:

............ most agruments from both sides have stemmed from VENTING and not DISCUSSING.

It shouldn't be this way. We should be able to disagree like grownups.

[ForceInfinity]

(though I felt their performance back in 99 at Redrocks was a little weak).

Are you referring to the Foreigner/Journey show? I was at that show as well. That was my first introduction to Steve Augeri. I had a good time, Steve did a good job, but he was so cautious to begin with. It took Steve half the show to start becoming a frontman. But the show was good enough to reindle my love of Journey. I also though Lou did a heckuva a job singing for Foreigner so soon after his brain tumor was removed. Rained like crazy through his set and he took it! I remember that Neal was still dissing Perry in radio interviews at the time (which I didn't care for) but he made a good point that if Lou could come back from brain surgery, Perry could have come back from hip surgery.

Actually Jrnyman28, that would be the show. I just remember that weather and it was definitely bad during the Foreigner set, and then right before the Journey set, the skies cleared up some and the weather was perfect. I had saw them priod at the World Arena in Colorado Springs, and I gotta tell ya, when Augeria sang the phrase "Here we stand..." jaws were falling to the floor.... including mine. I still have fond memories of that night

[cubby69]

(though I felt their performance back in 99 at Redrocks was a little weak).

Are you referring to the Foreigner/Journey show? I was at that show as well. That was my first introduction to Steve Augeri. I had a good time, Steve did a good job, but he was so cautious to begin with. It took Steve half the show to start becoming a frontman. But the show was good enough to reindle my love of Journey. I also though Lou did a heckuva a job singing for Foreigner so soon after his brain tumor was removed. Rained like crazy through his set and he took it! I remember that Neal was still dissing Perry in radio interviews at the time (which I didn't care for) but he made a good point that if Lou could come back from brain surgery, Perry could have come back from hip surgery.

Actually Jrnyman28, that would be the show. I just remember that weather and it was definitely bad during the Foreigner set, and then right before the Journey set, the skies cleared up some and the weather was perfect. I had saw them priod at the World Arena in Colorado Springs, and I gotta tell ya, when Augeria sang the phrase "Here we stand..." jaws were falling to the floor.... including mine. I still have fond memories of that night

I was at that show at the World Arena in the Springs. That was the first time I'd ever seen Augeri. That was such a great show and I was more than impressed with him. I remember they did a melody of several pre-Perry songs during that concert. I was so happy with the change. I remember telling my wife on the way out that if Perry was the one keeping them from playing the pre-Perry stuff and an oldie like Just The Same Way, then good riddens to him...

[Red13JoePa]

....Another Cubby post....another pre perry reference.

My man is RELENTLESS with those first 3 records. Love it!!!!!!!

[JourneyTroll]

Whether Perry returns to music or not is not the issue. Instead, Journey is a horrible band without Steve Perry and even worse with Steve Augeri. He may be an easy interview but most "C" to "D" level talent are.

Journeytroll

You sir, are a buffoon. In fact, you give buffoon's a bad name.

Thank you for another personal attack Andrew. Thank you for calling me Sir. Just like Sir Mick Jagger or Sir Paul McCartney.

So, now I am a buffoon, while everyone else that posts here are wonderful and solid citizens?

Journey is a "C" level act and a "C" level interview.

Journeytroll

[Red13JoePa]

Is there still a disclaimer forbidding personal attacks posted at the entrance to Andrew McNiece's Journey board

[JourneyTroll]

Is there still a disclaimer forbidding personal attacks posted at the entrance to Andrew McNiece's Journey board

Just because Andrew changed the disclaimer doesn't mean he condones or approves of personal attacks. Many of you can't express yourselves without using personal attacks or resorting to "bottom feeder" profanity. I am so fortunate and grateful that I receive an East Coast education and earned several degrees.

Journeytroll