Holiday

by **Andrew** » Sat Sep 17, 2005 8:13 am

I'm going on holiday for a week - but I WILL be watching!

Behave please

by **NealIsGod** » Sat Sep 17, 2005 8:15 am

Why do I feel about 10 years old? :oops:

by **Rockindeano** » Sat Sep 17, 2005 8:18 am

Andrew wrote:I'm going on holiday for a week - but I WILL be watching!

Behave please

Goddammit! It's VACATION, not "Holiday!"

by **sadie65** » Sat Sep 17, 2005 10:19 am

Rock'ndeano wrote:
Andrew wrote:I'm going on holiday for a week - but I WILL be watching!

Behave please

Goddammit! It's VACATION, not "Holiday!"

Not to most of the rest of the world. It's holiday.

by **Rockindeano** » Sat Sep 17, 2005 10:24 am

sadie65 wrote:
Rock'ndeano wrote:
Andrew wrote:I'm going on holiday for a week - but I WILL be watching!

Behave please

Goddammit! It's VACATION, not "Holiday!"

Not to most of the rest of the world. It's holiday.

Well, the rest of the world, THIS TIME, is wrong..

by **NealIsGod** » Sat Sep 17, 2005 9:52 pm

Careful, Deano, they'll think you're an "ugly American", even though you're a Canuck!

by **OpeningAct** » Sat Sep 17, 2005 9:56 pm

NealIsGod wrote:Careful, Deano, they'll think you're an "ugly American", even though you're a Canuck!

Screw what the rest of world thinks about us NiG, haven't you learned that by now... :wink:

by **Rockindeano** » Sun Sep 18, 2005 2:10 am

OpeningAct wrote: Screw what the rest of world thinks about us NiG, haven't you learned that by now...

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That is precisely what's wrong with America.. That type of thinking is not wise...

I deliberately made the remark, because calling a "Holiday" a "Vacation" is not a serious matter. Going to war..ALONE..is.

by **OpeningAct** » Sun Sep 18, 2005 2:07 pm

Rock'ndeano wrote:
OpeningAct wrote: Screw what the rest of world thinks about us NiG, haven't you learned that by now...
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That is precisely what's wrong with America.. That type of thinking is not wise...

I deliberately made the remark, because calling a "Holiday" a "Vacation" is not a serious matter. Going to war..ALONE..is.

Not when you could turn the country into a parking lot...but decide not to...because we have empathy....unlike many of the countries that hate us deano...get a fucking grip..... :roll:

by **Rockindeano** » Sun Sep 18, 2005 4:07 pm

OpeningAct wrote: Not when you could turn the country into a parking lot...but decide not to...because we have empathy....unlike many of the countries that hate us deano...get a fucking grip.....

You are scary...really scary...

by **OpeningAct** » Mon Sep 19, 2005 11:45 pm

Rock'ndeano wrote:
OpeningAct wrote: Not when you could turn the country into a parking lot...but decide not to...because we have empathy....unlike many of the countries that hate us deano...get a fucking grip.....

You are scary...really scary...

Wasn't the reaction after 9/11 Deano? To turn Afghanistan into a parking lot. And the atrocities Hussein carried on his own people...yeah, this is an UNJUST war... :roll:

by **Rockindeano** » Tue Sep 20, 2005 1:13 am

OpeningAct wrote:
Rock'ndeano wrote:
OpeningAct wrote: Not when you could turn the country into a parking lot...but decide not to...because we have empathy....unlike many of the countries that hate us deano...get a fucking grip.....

You are scary...really scary...
Wasn't the reaction after 9/11 Deano? To turn Afghanistan into a parking lot. And the atrocities Hussein carried on his own people...yeah, this is an UNJUST war...

First off Kissenger, I was all for attacking Afganistan..the responsible origin to 9/11.... I really don't know where he pulled Iraq from...o yeah, he had it in his mind to go to Iraq the first day of his presidency...Yes, Iraq is an unjust war, but I support the troops nonetheless....I was there for the first go around...Desert Shield/Storm..It was awful, but it was conducted beautifully...This Iraq journey is being conducted by neo-con morons...If you are so proud of us being there, why don't you go sign up and volunteer...and grab Bushs' two daughters while you're at it..Oh, I forgot, Neo-cons are all for wars, but they NEVER fight in them...Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld..none served.. The only guy that did was Powell, and notice he got so disgusted, he left last year.

by **OpeningAct** » Tue Sep 20, 2005 2:39 am

Rock'ndeano wrote:
OpeningAct wrote:
Rock'ndeano wrote:
OpeningAct wrote: Not when you could turn the country into a parking lot...but decide not to...because we have empathy....unlike many of the countries that hate us deano...get a fucking grip.....

You are scary...really scary...
Wasn't the reaction after 9/11 Deano? To turn Afghanistan into a parking lot. And the atrocities Hussein carried on his own people...yeah, this is an UNJUST war...

First off Kissenger, I was all for attacking Afganistan..the responsible origin to 9/11.... I really don't know where he pulled Iraq from...o yeah, he had it in his mind to go to Iraq the first day of his presidency...Yes, Iraq is an unjust war, but I support the troops nonetheless....I was there for the first go around...Desert Shield/Storm..It was awful, but it was conducted beautifully...This Iraq journey is being conducted by neo-con morons...If you are so proud of us being there, why don't you go sign up and volunteer...and grab Bushs' two daughters while you're at it..Oh, I forgot, Neo-cons are all for wars, but they NEVER fight in them...Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld..none served.. The only guy that did was Powell, and notice he got so disgusted, he left last year.

Well I'm 40 years old, so I doubt they'd take me...and why is it that you resort to name-calling when it comes to making your points.
As for 9/11...how many times did Saudi Arabia try to hand bin Laden over to Clinton...three!!!...but he was too busy making a mockery of the white house, but off course THAT'S ok.
And I do commend you on fighting in the first Gulf War, and apologize for doubting you are helping out with the flood victims. I think we can agree to disagree on some issues...

by **ohsherrie** » Tue Sep 20, 2005 2:47 am

Rock'ndeano wrote:
First off Kissenger, I was all for attacking Afganistan..the responsible origin to 9/11.... I really don't know where he pulled Iraq from...o yeah, he had it in his mind to go to Iraq the first day of his presidency...Yes, Iraq is an unjust war, but I support the troops nonetheless....I was there for the first go around...Desert Shield/Storm..It was awful, but it was conducted beautifully...This Iraq journey is being conducted by neo-con morons...If you are so proud of us being there, why don't you go sign up and volunteer...and grab Bushs' two daughters while you're at it..Oh, I forgot, Neo-cons are all for wars, but they NEVER fight in them...Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld..none served.. The only guy that did was Powell, and notice he got so disgusted, he left last year.

WOOOOOOHOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!! YOU GO DEANO!!!!!!!!
When we do agree, we really agree. :wink:

by **Monker** » Tue Sep 20, 2005 3:30 am

[quote]
As for 9/11...how many times did Saudi Arabia try to hand bin Laden over to Clinton...three!!!...but he was too busy making a mockery of the white house, but off course THAT'S ok.
{/quote]

Oh, please. You can't justify the war in Iraq by bringing up Clinton.

Deano is correct. We have a bunch of terrorists who are from Saudi Arabia and Egypt, they trained in Afghanistan under former Mujahadeen and Taliban...and yet we somehow use that to justify attacking Iraq? I guess you have to be neo-conservative to understand that logic.

And, blaming Clinton is INCREDIBLY hypocritical...Reagan and the original Bush BOTH funded and trained the Mujahadeen while Bin Laden was a member..because they were fighting the Soviet Union. Guess a 'freedom fighter' and a 'terrorist' is really the same thing. They also BOTH supported Saddam since he was fighting Iran. THE FIRST Bush, and Reagan, IGNORED all the 'stuff' about gassing his own people and being a ruthless dictator...because they wanted a counter to Iran in the region...all of which happened before the FIRST Gulf War.

So, since neo-conservatives can't use WMD, or 9/11, or the 'ruthless dictator' thing, to justify the war...you go to the ONLY things you have left..."But Clinton...." and attacking the patriotism of anyone who is not in favor of the war.

The saddest thing is the people of this country are so naive that they allow such propaganda to influence their decisions on how to vote. So, we end up with a bunch of Yes-men in our government and NOBODY with a backbone in EITHER party willing to stand up and vehemently state that such a policy is so obviously wrong. To do so would mean their job, and who knows what else. Congress should have NEVER given approval for this war...and THAT is primarily the DEMOCRATS fault.

by **Rockindeano** » Tue Sep 20, 2005 4:55 am

Monker said-

So, since neo-conservatives can't use WMD, or 9/11, or the 'ruthless dictator' thing, to justify the war...you go to the ONLY things you have left..."But Clinton...." and attacking the patriotism of anyone who is not in favor of the war.

My reply-
Well, Dick Cheney STILL is linking Iraq to 9/11..even after Bush "kinda sorta said, nah, no real connection I see."

Monker-
The saddest thing is the people of this country are so naive that they allow such propaganda to influence their decisions on how to vote.

I replied-
How true is that..It's called lack of education or lack of research or even lack of reading a ....newspaper! Also, if the Dems could have run a better candidate...When Kerry beat Edwards in Iowa, I said to myself, "uh oh, Kerry can't win this..Then kerry picked Edwards as VP..I was hoping it would be the other way around.

Monker-
So, we end up with a bunch of Yes-men in our government and NOBODY with a backbone in EITHER party willing to stand up and vehemently state that such a policy is so obviously wrong. To do so would mean their job, and who knows what else. Congress should have NEVER given approval for this war...and THAT is primarily the DEMOCRATS fault.

Me-
There may be one person who has a backbone...In 2007ish, I think this person might flex some muscle..
America, can you say, "Lady President?"

by **ohsherrie** » Tue Sep 20, 2005 5:18 am

Wow, this is a little scary, :lol:

what's that old saying about politics and strange "board"fellows?

Monker you are DEAD ON THE MARK with this. The Dems in congress were more afraid of being labeled as unpatriotic than they were of what Bush's maniacal obsession with Hussien was going to do to this country.

And Dean, I felt exactly the same way when I saw the party leaning toward Kerry. I like the guy OK, I liked Edwards better, but Howard Dean was the straightest shooter of them all. I think he would have had a better chance at it if the party had gotten behind him. I think Hilary could do the job, but there are just too many Falwellian and NRA republicans in power right now for a woman to get elected.

by **Rockindeano** » Tue Sep 20, 2005 5:26 am

ohsherrie wrote:Wow, this is a little scary, what's that old saying about politics and strange "board"fellows?

Monker you are DEAD ON THE MARK with this. The Dems in congress were more afraid of being labeled as unpatriotic than they were of what Bush's maniacal obsession with Hussien was going to do to this country.

And Dean, I felt exactly the same way when I saw the party leaning toward Kerry. I like the guy OK, I liked Edwards better, but Howard Dean was the straightest shooter of them all. I think he would have had a better chance at it if the party had gotten behind him. I think Hilary could do the job, but there are just too many Falwellian and NRA republicans in power right now for a woman to get elected.

I get some "internal polling" from a friend of the party(dating back to my government days).. She is by far the leader...of the Dems and in a general election..right now...

Secondly, I wanted to add something that pisses me off to no end...

To be against the War does not make someone any less patriotic..."supporting the president blindly, because he is the president, is just flat naive. Questioning a war is more patriotic imo, than blindly following.

by **ohsherrie** » Tue Sep 20, 2005 5:44 am

Rock'ndeano wrote:
To be against the War does not make someone any less patriotic..."supporting the president blindly, because he is the president, is just flat naive. Questioning a war is more patriotic imo, than blindly following.

Absolutely!! I don't even understand how being "anti-war" became synonymous with being unpatriotic. There's nothing traitorous about being against having people killed in an unwarrranted war. I think it's a lot more unpatriotic to unquestioningly support a "regime" like Bush's in a country that's supposed to be of, for, and by ALL the people.

by **Rockindeano** » Tue Sep 20, 2005 5:49 am

Why thank you.

.Now if only your state would have changed voting last time...I believe VA went to Shrub, 52-48....Damn!

I like this alliance osherrie... kind of nice..

by **ohsherrie** » Tue Sep 20, 2005 5:58 am

Rock'ndeano wrote:Why thank you.

.Now if only your state would have changed voting last time...I believe VA went to Shrub, 52-48....Damn!

I like this alliance osherrie... kind of nice..

I know, I was terribly dissappointed. We elected a Dem Gov who pulled us out of an economic disaster caused by a Rep, but then supported that weed.

Yeah, fun isn't it?

by **Red13JoePa** » Tue Sep 20, 2005 5:59 am

Get the Big11 outa your ahole hallashame Dean.

by **Monker** » Tue Sep 20, 2005 6:20 am

I don't think Kerry was a bad canidate. I think he ran a poor compaign. He made the same mistakes as Dukakis...He allowed Bush and his supporters to define him, without ANY real response - for weeks. By the time there was any response to the Swiftboat ads, it was FAR too late and he never recovered.

Howard Dean was a lose canon, even before his "Yeehaw!" speach. He was also relying on the younger, anti-war, crowd. He would have lost in the same way that McGovern lost to Nixon.

I liked Edwards too. But, if the ticket were reversed, I don't see how it would have changed things. He didn't make the southern states competitive and it seemed like he brought very little to the ticket as a whole.

Hillary may be on top of the polls right now. But, I doubt she can win. She is seen as being far too liberal, as she is far to inexperienced in foreign policy for todays world...The Republicans would pounce all over her and I doubt she would have a chance.

Whoever nominates the most moderate canidate should win the next election. The public should be disgusted of the extremes of both parties. If it is another neo-conservative vs. a far left liberal, like Hillary, I'll probably vote Libertarian...cuz I am just tired of the same old politics.

The best canidates that I can think of are Colin Powel and John McCain...But I doubt either can win the Republican nomination.

by **Rockindeano** » Tue Sep 20, 2005 6:21 am

Red13JoePa wrote:Get the Big11 outa your ahole hallashame Dean.

No.. They belong there...You should call Joepa, between Depends changes, and request a Big East transfer..you might win some games over there.. :wink:

by **Rockindeano** » Tue Sep 20, 2005 6:27 am

Monker wrote:Hillary may be on top of the polls right now. But, I doubt she can win. She is seen as being far too liberal, as she is far to inexperienced in foreign policy for todays world...The Republicans would pounce all over her and I doubt she would have a chance.

Hillary has a Hell of a lot more experience than Bush did when he won in 2000.....He couldn't tell the difference betwee Vermont and New Hampshire, or Alabama or Mississippi...

Hillary was a major player for 8 years..She knows here way around the WH..Yeah, she is a bitch, but maybe we need that..

People are idiots..They will see the name Clinton, and pull the lever..that way, they think the ol man will help out in policy..

by **ohsherrie** » Tue Sep 20, 2005 6:43 am

Overall I agree with you Monker.

The Dean "YeeHaw" fiasco was mostly press orchestrated. When the clip was seen in it's true context it didn't sound nearly as radical. I think if the powers behind the party had gotten behind Dean and "groomed" him for their candidate the way the Reps did Bush he would have had a chance. They would have used the "trial lawyer" label against Edwards just as they did the Viet Nam stigma against Kerry.

What's really frightening is that the money that runs this country can basically protray anyone as anything they want them to be and there are so many people who don't look beyond that to what really matters to this country. Sadly, the biggest money is backing the Republican party and they appeal to so many people who allow themselves to be defined by their religious leaders and/or their hunting rights. I'm a Christian and my husband is a hunter, but we know the difference between reality and rhetoric.

I don't think Hilary has a snowball's chance in hell of winning. I would have actually voted for Powell or McCain in 2000, but by 2004 I would have voted for almost anything that wasn't in any way aligned with Bush. I still like Powell and McCain, but I'm very disappointed in them.
they could have stood up a little more.

I wish Bill could run again. I really think he could pull it out.

by **Rockindeano** » Tue Sep 20, 2005 2:13 pm

Powell and McCain did stand up to Bush..

Powell got the Hell out of there asap......That is one of the biggest embarrassments..when a high level cabinet official, State, Defense, leaves your administration..

McCain actually criticized the Swift Boat ads...Rove was all smiles.. my friends, he is the Mastermind in the WH..He should be in jail for leaking a CIA operative, Valery Plame. I remember Bush saying he would fire "anyone who leaked info." Then it was, he'd fire "anyone who broke the law." Well, they found a loophole didn't they? And then the Hurricanes hit, and Rove is skating free...Sickening..

Bill would win easily if he were allowed to run...His wife WILL win..It is a no brainer..

Karl Rove is the devil, but extremely good at what he does...smears people..He made a National Guard cocaine sniffing "pilot" look better than an actual Vietnam Vet..That was Kerry's Mgr fault..Mary Beth Cahill was his campaign mgr..She cost him that election..

Now, James Carville, could of helped out, but many believe they wanted a kerry defeat, so Hillary could make her move in 08.. They are about to get their wish...

by **Red13JoePa** » Tue Sep 20, 2005 11:45 pm

Rock'ndeano wrote:
Red13JoePa wrote:Get the Big11 outa your ahole hallashame Dean.

No.. They belong there...You should call Joepa, between Depends changes, and request a Big East transfer..you might win some games over there..

Hey, you fuckers ever consider a fulltime switchdown to 1AA?

by **Rockindeano** » Wed Sep 21, 2005 3:02 am

Red13JoePa wrote:
Rock'ndeano wrote:
Red13JoePa wrote:Get the Big11 outa your ahole hallashame Dean.

No.. They belong there...You should call Joepa, between Depends changes, and request a Big East transfer..you might win some games over there..

Hey, you fuckers ever consider a fulltime switchdown to 1AA?

eat me..

MR

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