New Augeri Interview

by **Red13JoePa** » Sat Sep 17, 2005 3:32 am

I don't see any way the powers the were in the case of the WOF woulda posthumously given Journey a star 8 years after it's death. Without Journey existing there would just have been no point. But this time, the band never went away. That alone is justification enough for Steve A and Deen to be there. God, even Perry himself showed up knowing Steve A would be there. To me that indicates EVEN HE accepts that Augeri deserved to be standing there otherwise he'da pulled the "if he's gonna be there, I'm not gonna be."

by **The_Noble_Cause** » Sat Sep 17, 2005 3:35 am

PROPERRY wrote:
Yes NIG, IF I worked for a company that was being honored for some thing that I was NOT PRESENT for

Who says the ceremony was solely for the years Perry was in the band? The star was for Journey past, present AND future.
Heck, if it weren't for current fans then the ceremony wouldn't have even happened.

PROPERRY wrote: I would have NO PROBLEM stepping a side to let the ONES who "deserve the credit" for the years of hard work & accomplishments that THEY earned.

Augeri did step aside.
In fact, he didn't even deliver a speech.
Check ur facts.

PROPERRY wrote: I would NOT feel comfortable taking part in recieving an award in something that I was NOT a part of

So the current singer of the band is not supposed to even be there when his band receives an award?

PROPERRY wrote: I believe that I would have to EARN my award in the same way that most people do, "by doing the hard work",

Yup. You heard it here first everybody. Augeri has done no hard work. NONE. The guy just goes out on stage faced with the daunting challenege of replacing one of the greatest singers in musical history and winning thousands of fans over every night for the past 8 years.
Real easy work.
Piece of cake, really.
Any of us could have done it.

by **Monker** » Sat Sep 17, 2005 4:02 am

People, the ENTIRE PURPOSE of the Star was to honor the ENTIRITY of Journey from 1974-2004. It was NOT given to just the version of Journey that had 'hits'. That is what some of you WANTED to happen but it was NOT the intention of the group that got the entire Star for the band...Maybe Michelle, or somebody else, can verify that but that is how I understand things.

If you want an award presented for a specific timeframe, or version of Journey, then perhaps you can get a group together and attempt to do it - But, that is NOT what happened with the WOF star.

by **amaron** » Sat Sep 17, 2005 4:05 am

PROPERRY wrote: Yes NIG, IF I worked for a company that was being honored for some thing that I was NOT PRESENT for, I would have NO PROBLEM stepping a side to let the ONES who "deserve the credit" for the years of hard work & accomplishments that THEY earned.

No wonder Steve Perry stays out of the public light, his fans are fucking idiots.

by **jrnyman28** » Sat Sep 17, 2005 4:09 am

Lori,
If your hiring directly related to the company staying open for business, and then that business is recognized for it's successes and longevity, would you still feel like you did not deserve to be a part of the ceremony?

As for the rest, like TNC stated, Steve DID step back, did not get 'in the spotlight' at all. Just like YOU suggested...

by **jrnyjetster** » Sat Sep 17, 2005 4:33 am

That's correct, Augeri and Castronovo remained on the sidelines (with their fellow bandmembers) during the ceremony. They never stepped up to the podium to make a speech.

by **PROPERRY** » Sat Sep 17, 2005 4:35 am

The_Noble_Cause wrote:
PROPERRY wrote:
Yes NIG, IF I worked for a company that was being honored for some thing that I was NOT PRESENT for

Who says the ceremony was solely for the years Perry was in the band? The star was for Journey past, present AND future.
Heck, if it weren't for current fans then the ceremony wouldn't have even happened.

PROPERRY wrote: I would have NO PROBLEM stepping a side to let the ONES who "deserve the credit" for the years of hard work & accomplishments that THEY earned.

Augeri did step aside.
In fact, he didn't even deliver a speech.
Check ur facts.

PROPERRY wrote: I would NOT feel comfortable taking part in recieving an award in something that I was NOT a part of

So the current singer of the band is not supposed to even be there when his band receives an award?

PROPERRY wrote: I believe that I would have to EARN my award in the same way that most people do, "by doing the hard work",

Yup. You heard it here first everybody. Augeri has done no hard work. NONE. The guy just goes out on stage faced with the daunting challenege of replacing one of the greatest singers in musical history and winning thousands of fans over every night for the past 8 years.
Real easy work.
Piece of cake, really.
Any of us could have done it.

First of all NC, I never said that Augeri or Deen couldn't be there, I DID SAY that that there was nothing wrong with them being there & being in the background. I just said that they should NOT be honored with a star, that 's all.

Now I know "you think" I was being disrespectful to Augeri & Deen by making that comment, but I firmly believe that people should NOT "take credit" for the work they had NO PART IN DOING.

I would say it is not fair to the ONES who DID ALL the years of hard work & reached that high level of success & fame.

Further more just cause someone comes in AFTER another highly successful singer or another highly successful drummer does not make them entitled to recieve a star.

The way it works in MY world, you have to EARN it!!!

Lori

by **NealIsGod** » Sat Sep 17, 2005 4:52 am

PROPERRY wrote:The way it works in MY world, you have to EARN it!!!

Lori

Actually, Lori, it doesn't work that way. All you need is $10,000 to get a star on the WOF. Augeri has helped bring in a hell of a lot more moolah than that.

by **The_Noble_Cause** » Sat Sep 17, 2005 4:59 am

PROPERRY wrote:
First of all NC, I never said that Augeri or Deen couldn't be there, I DID SAY that that there was nothing wrong with them being there & being in the background.

Ok. I'm with you so far....

PROPERRY wrote: I just said that they should NOT be honored with a star, that 's all.

Huh?
What the hell?
Are you suggesting (as it inexplicably seems you are) that underneath the word Journey on the star there should be an addendum that explicitly states "THIS bestowed honor EXCLUDES S. Augeri and Deen Castronovo"?
I mean, how else do they show up for the ceremony, yet not get honored?
Every member who was there was bestowed with that honor.
It was for something bigger than one man.

PROPERRY wrote: Now I know "you think" I was being disrespectful to Augeri & Deen by making that comment

No, I think you are being disrespectful to EVERY member to ever be included in the band, Journey (for which the ceremony was held) and to the fans that made the ceremony happen (many of which would not be following the band still if it weren't for Augeri)

PROPERRY wrote: I firmly believe that people should NOT "take credit" for the work they had NO PART IN DOING.

Once again, you are setting ground rules that you are not in any formal position to set.
The star was for ALL eras.
Not just Perry's time spent with the band.
Where was it stated that the WOF ceremony was strictly for the Perry-era?
The ceremony was about recognizing Journey the band, not Steve Perry.

PROPERRY wrote: I would say it is not fair to the ONES who DID ALL the years of hard work & reached that high level of success & fame.

While Perry may have much more of a right than Augeri to be there (as I already stated), this does not mean Augeri has NO right.
Steve Augeri has kept the band afloat since Perry cravenly deserted the band (for the second time) and Augeri def. has a right to be there

by **Rockindeano** » Sat Sep 17, 2005 5:38 am

This is funny...

Firstly- NIG, it is 15,000 dollars and a lot of paperwork..Not 10,000.

Secondly, None of you people were even there. I was face to face with Perry, Neal, Cain, Deen, Smith, Augeri, Valory and Tickner.. I actually got ALL their autographs..I actually saw the whole fucking thing..I arrived 3 hours early...Yeah, I know, you all saw the film of the event..like that did it justice.

I will tell you, If Augeri and Castronova aren't extremely classy people..They totally showed respect for Perry. Perry gave a speech, in fact the longerst of three..... He was the only one muttering words like, "Fuckin' dicks" and "bullshit" to Mark and Brian... He came out of the fenced in enclosure and was starstruck..dude went and hid behind a tall woman....He had to be coaxed out...and once out, started to warm to the crowd... It was an amazing time...

But for people to bash Augeri...you need to be skull fucked, and have the shit roto'd out of your "brains."

You know NOTHING of what you are saying if you say Augeri dissed Perry. This time, I have facts, I have visual facts...You Perry pigs can go screw off....your insanity is mind numbing.

by **The_Noble_Cause** » Sat Sep 17, 2005 5:49 am

Rock'ndeano wrote:He was the only one muttering words like, "Fuckin' dicks" and "bullshit" to Mark and Brian

Were u privy to a conversation between Perry & Mark & Brian?
What was Perry cussing over?

by **NealIsGod** » Sat Sep 17, 2005 6:03 am

The_Noble_Cause wrote:
Rock'ndeano wrote:He was the only one muttering words like, "Fuckin' dicks" and "bullshit" to Mark and Brian

Were u privy to a conversation between Perry & Mark & Brian?
What was Perry cussing over?

Yes! *rubbing hands together* Please continue... :twisted:

by **Red13JoePa** » Sat Sep 17, 2005 6:18 am

#1: Lori, do you really think there'd be a star today if they allowed group to become a nonentity (again) in 1997 :?:

#2 I must echo the cause and nig and implore deano to dish what that perry to mark-brian was all about. bfs

by **jrnyman28** » Sat Sep 17, 2005 6:56 am

By Lori's theory, George Tickner and Robert Fleischman should not have been there either.

by **Red13JoePa** » Sat Sep 17, 2005 7:25 am

True indeed. Selective invocation of a Perryonly exclusionary rule.

by **PROPERRY** » Sat Sep 17, 2005 7:48 am

jrnyman28 wrote:By Lori's theory, George Tickner and Robert Fleischman should not have been there either.

You better believe that Robert Fleischman most certainly DOES DESERVE to be honored with a star because he actually WROTE the song "Wheel in The Sky", which we all know is ONE of the many greatest hits song that has gotten air play on the radio to this very day.

I'm not familiar with George Tickner at all, ( I mean no disrespect towards him, I just don't know him that's all). And Yes, I believe Greg Rollie deserves to be honored with a Star too.

Lori

by **NealIsGod** » Sat Sep 17, 2005 7:53 am

PROPERRY wrote:
jrnyman28 wrote:By Lori's theory, George Tickner and Robert Fleischman should not have been there either.

You better believe that Robert Fleischman most certainly DOES DESERVE to be honored with a star because he actually WROTE the song "Wheel in The Sky", which we all know is ONE of the many greatest hits song that has gotten air play on the radio to this very day.

I'm not familiar with George Tickner at all, ( I mean no disrespect towards him, I just don't know him that's all). And Yes, I believe Greg Rollie deserves to be honored with a Star too.

Lori

So you think the star should only be for the people you believe should be honored.

Lori, Journey is a brotherhood. Once you are a member, you are always a member, at least to the fans. You are not a Journey fan, you are a Perry-Journey fan. That is fine, there are a lot just like you. But Journey is more than just 5 or 6 people. Many men's talents have made it great. Some have left, some have remained. But all will forever be associated with the greatest band of all time.

by **PROPERRY** » Sat Sep 17, 2005 8:27 am

NealIsGod wrote:
PROPERRY wrote:
jrnyman28 wrote:By Lori's theory, George Tickner and Robert Fleischman should not have been there either.

You better believe that Robert Fleischman most certainly DOES DESERVE to be honored with a star because he actually WROTE the song "Wheel in The Sky", which we all know is ONE of the many greatest hits song that has gotten air play on the radio to this very day.

I'm not familiar with George Tickner at all, ( I mean no disrespect towards him, I just don't know him that's all). And Yes, I believe Greg Rollie deserves to be honored with a Star too.

Lori

So you think the star should only be for the people you believe should be honored.

Lori, Journey is a brotherhood. Once you are a member, you are always a member, at least to the fans. You are not a Journey fan, you are a Perry-Journey fan. That is fine, there are a lot just like you. But Journey is more than just 5 or 6 people. Many men's talents have made it great. Some have left, some have remained. But all will forever be associated with the greatest band of all time.

No NIG, it is not about my believe who should be honored, it is about the ONES who played & had a PART in the success in some way.

Greg Rollie was a major part of the band's success & very much deserved to be honored with the star.

Augeri & Deen came into the band well AFTER the fact. And just to make clear I NEVER said, NOR do I believe either that Journey is about ONE person deserving to be honored. The ONES that "contributed to the success" should be honored.

Lori

by **Rockindeano** » Sat Sep 17, 2005 8:29 am

There IS one person who I believe doesn't deserve one Goddamned bit of that star. See if you can guess who that may be?

As for the Perry and Mark+Brian squabble. Look, in Socal, they have a pretty good relationship....Well, M+B have been talking up Journey all week prior to the event, and of course, no response from Perry(shock)....So Mr. Schon came on the radio, and of course publicly invited Perry....start spinning now perrypigs.....

So here we are, the morning of the event..I started dring Yeagermeister about 700A..I wanted to be in full force to see these guys....Well, 1100A comes and Finally!! it's time..

The first guy through the gates, his the man in black..Perry himself. Everyone is shocked and the crowd of course is electric. I was on the rail, next to the pigs, and about 10 feet from all parties..M+B to my left, and Perry to my right. Mark is speaking, and joking about Perry..well, of course Perry can't be made a joke..he is above that...They had made a bet about whether Perry would show up.....Perry approaches the podium, and slips Mark what looked like a hundred dollar bill...and upon returning to his spot, says, "you fuckin' dicks." I thought it was all in fun....People didn't take it seriously, and I presume it wasn't.

I did watch Augeri the whole time and how he reacted to the overshadowing that Perry brought on....he seemed to be ok...he was hanging out with Castronova and Cain....He looked secure, but also made the effort TO GO OVER to Perry and shake his hand..I don't think Perry would have gone the other way though...

PS- Perryfaithful- yeah I have a girlfriend..Why you ask? Interested in something in particular?

by **boodles** » Sat Sep 17, 2005 9:32 am

I'm confused? Was Mark just joking about if Perry would show or was there other jokes said?
And If the bet was between M&B about Perry showing up ,Why would Perry be giving Mark $100?
All in all, like you said, it probably was all in fun. If you have heard Steve Perry speak in the past, he has a very "colorful" vocabulary.

To put my 2 cents in....I agree that they all should have been there. If a contribution is made in some way...past or present....then that person deserves to be there. And singing and playing is contributing to the group, the last time I checked. :wink:

The Star didn't say Journey- 1978-1997

by **Rockindeano** » Sat Sep 17, 2005 9:47 am

boodles wrote:I'm confused? Was Mark just joking about if Perry would show or was there other jokes said?
And If the bet was between M&B about Perry showing up ,Why would Perry be giving Mark $100?
All in all, like you said, it probably was all in fun. If you have heard Steve Perry speak in the past, he has a very "colorful" vocabulary.

To put my 2 cents in....I agree that they all should have been there. If a contribution is made in some way...past or present....then that person deserves to be there. And singing and playing is contributing to the group, the last time I checked. The Star didn't say Journey- 1978-1997

Hey boodles...

Yeah, like I said, it seemed all in good fun, but once Perry called them "fuckin dicks" he wasn't smiling..Who knows why he wasn't smiling...The guy is all whacked out....

There STILL is one person who SHOULD NOT have one inch of that star.....I'm waiting for answers..

by **The_Noble_Cause** » Sat Sep 17, 2005 10:13 am

PROPERRY wrote:No NIG, it is not about my believe who should be honored

Sure it is. You're next quote proves this...

PROPERRY wrote:it is about the ONES who played & had a PART in the success in some way.

Says who?
Last I checked, the ceremony was for ALL members of Journey, not just the ones that match Perryloon Lori's specific criterion of who is "deserving" and who "is not".

PROPERRY wrote:Greg Rollie was a major part of the band's success & very much deserved to be honored with the star.

All members of the band were honored.
Were their varying degrees of who was more deserving?
Of course, but nobody present was completely and unequivocally undeserving.

PROPERRY wrote:NOR do I believe either that Journey is about ONE person deserving to be honored. The ONES that "contributed to the success" should be honored.

Says who?
Again, you are setting ground rules that you are not in any formal position to set.
The Walk of Fame ceremony was for recognition of the band called Journey. Period.

by **boodles** » Sat Sep 17, 2005 10:31 am

hmmmm....I don't know...Irving Azoff?
Not a member of the band but affiliated with it. He's the only one I could think of that is associated with Journey but has done NOTHING for them.

by **Rockindeano** » Sat Sep 17, 2005 11:12 am

boodles wrote:hmmmm....I don't know...Irving Azoff?
Not a member of the band but affiliated with it. He's the only one I could think of that is associated with Journey but has done NOTHING for them.

We have a winner!

Did you research past posts?

Actually Irving himself is NOT the manager, but his name adorns the Management Company. John Baruck, I believe his name is, is the current hands on Mgr..He sucks too.

by **boodles** » Sat Sep 17, 2005 11:31 am

No researching.
Just tried to think of someone who didn't deserve any recognition. Definitely that management company. Gotta wonder why Journey stays with them?

by **The_Noble_Cause** » Sat Sep 17, 2005 11:39 am

boodles wrote:No researching.
Gotta wonder why Journey stays with them?

Firstly, because Azoff management represents some of the biggest & hottest stars out there today (ex. Eagles, Christina Aguilera).
Journey is prolly thankful just to have his renowed name attacked to them.

Secondly, because former manager extraordinaire, Herbie Herbert, has declined their repeated entreaties to come back and return. *IF* Herbie acquiesced and agreed to represent them again, they'd drop Azoff in a new york minute. No doubt about that.

by **Rockindeano** » Sat Sep 17, 2005 11:47 am

The_Noble_Cause wrote:Firstly, because Azoff management represents some of the biggest & hottest stars out there today (ex. Eagles, Christina Aguilera).
Journey is prolly thankful just to have his renowed name attacked to them.

Well, honestly, if that is in fact the real reason, I think it is a shitty one. That makes absolutely no sense.

So what? He represents the Eagles and Christina? Big deal? He doesn't do shit for Journey!

Example- I thought The Place in your Heart was due out 8/22? Still waiting...what a complete joke! They ought to give Mike Brown a call...he is need of a job..FEMA just canned him...

by **jrnyman28** » Sun Sep 18, 2005 1:49 am

Herbie is reportedly involved with Soul SirkUS now. Maybe once his foot is back in the door, he might get the desire for it again?

by **cubby69** » Sun Sep 18, 2005 2:02 am

jrnyman28 wrote:Herbie is reportedly involved with Soul SirkUS now. Maybe once his foot is back in the door, he might get the desire for it again?

That would be very cool! And with all the attention Generations seemed to be stiring for the band at the moment they need someone who actually cares about their career to step in and put things in motion again, just like Herbie did back in the day.

by **NoMoreTails** » Sun Sep 18, 2005 11:37 am

jrnyjetster wrote:That's correct, Augeri and Castronovo remained on the sidelines (with their fellow bandmembers) during the ceremony. They never stepped up to the podium to make a speech.

Nor did Cain, as far as I've heard, and that sucks. Neal and Ross were short and to the point, saying what was appropriate, while Perry rambled a little too long about people he never gave a damn about previously IMO: the crew, the fans, and most of all Herbie; therefore leaving no time for Cain to speak. Perhaps Deano can shed some light on the length of speeches and other aspects of the ceremony, as most of us have only seen bits of video from the event.
I assume it was planned for Cain to speak as well. If, however, it was only planned for Neal, Ross, and Perry to speak, Jon should have spoken instead of Perry, as he has been in the band longer and made an equal contribution to its success.

And Steve's statement about Perry deserving to be there did include the words "...if not more..." not exactly an insult to Perry.

Something I thought interesting but haven't seen mentioned was the attire of the respective lead singers, Good guys always wear white.

MR

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