After The Fall

[ohsherrie]

What's the matter is there just NOT enough exciting things going on with the current Journey???. NOTHING to talk about huh??? So VERY sad that all "you both" can do here is slam Perry!!!!

Lori

Good point Lori.

[Rockindeano]

Good point Lori.

No it isn't. It's a stupid, blind meaningless jabber. What, is grazing time over?

[The_Noble_Cause]

OH LOOK HERE.... SUPPOSEDLY YOU (Deano & NC) CALL yourselves Perry fans. This is just MORE proof that YOU BOTH TALK out of both sides of your mouths OR should I say A$$!!!

How so?
Because a newbie poster (artthou) came here inquiring about Perry's contentious (and somewhat nebulous) exit from the band, and so I supplied her with some insightful, largely unknown information?
How is that "bashing"?

I didn't write those quotes about Perry.
Neal, Herbie and Moyes Lucas did.

[PROPERRY]

TNC-

Doesn't that just spell it out...He is B-U-L-L-S-H-I-T.... I just want to slug that bastard in the dick just one time! For lying to Neal..for lying to Herbie...for lying to Jon..and for lying to all of us...

OH LOOK HERE.... SUPPOSEDLY YOU (Deano & NC) CALL yourselves Perry fans. This is just MORE proof that YOU BOTH TALK out of both sides of your mouths OR should I say A$$!!!

Deano, you told us here before that when you went to the Hollywood Walk of Fame that YOU shook Perry's hand & got an autograph from him, then YOU run back to the message board & do nothing but SLAM Perry.

What's the matter is there just NOT enough exciting things going on with the current Journey???. NOTHING to talk about huh??? So VERY sad that all "you both" can do here is slam Perry!!!!

Lori

I DID go to the WOF..I am a fan. I did meet your god...Am I supposed to turn a blind eye to his poor character? His fucking lies? His backstabbing?

Steve Perry, is the greatest voice of all time.. Period. I am a fan of his talent. However, I am no way a fan of him..as a person.

The bottom line here Lori..He lied to me..a fan who bought every one of his bands records....Neal Schon and Jon Cain have never betrayed me..In fact, they still are there for me...



Also Lori, there is PLENTY to talk about with the current Journey. What did you have in mind, hon? I must warn you however, there really isn't any Steve Perry news to talk of now..But we can sure talk about the hugely successful tour, the great new CD, and the faithful members who work not only for themselves, but for us...

Well IF there is PLENTY to talk about with the current Journey, as YOU SAY, then WHY arn't you talking about them & those things?????

WHY DO YOU NEED TO ASK ME what to "talk about" concerning the current Journey??? You can't think of anything to say about this band that "according to you" has so much going on, but yet you spend all your time here bashing Perry????

And shall I get you some cheese to go with ALL that WHINE of yours concerning Perry??? Any second now, I just think I'm going to burst into tears for poor little YOU.

Lori

[The_Noble_Cause]

What's the matter is there just NOT enough exciting things going on with the current Journey???.

I'm sorry, I don't know what you are jabbering about.
A poster (artthou) asked about Perry's departure and so I provided her with links to what various band members had to say about it.

NOTHING to talk about huh???

Again, a poster wasn't clear on Perry's exit, so I provided her with links that show a contrastive and more equal view of things.

So VERY sad that all "you both" can do here is slam Perry!!!!

Good point Lori.

One more time.....
A verdant poster asked a question regarding Perry's contentious exit from the band and so I supplied her with various band members' personal views on this matter.
-That's the end of it-
If you can find a quote in this thread where I *ahem* allegedly "bashed Perry" then please go ahead & do so.
If not, you ladies are just taking the piss right now and I kindly reccomend you shut it.

[jrnyman28]

Well IF there is PLENTY to talk about with the current Journey, as YOU SAY, then WHY arn't you talking about them & those things?????
Lori

Because every time Journey fans talk about Journey, Perry-only fans slam the band, trash the members of the band, critique music they have not even heard, and turn the conversations towards Perry...

[The_Noble_Cause]

You can't think of anything to say about this band that "according to you" has so much going on, but yet you spend all your time here bashing Perry????

A newbie poster (artthou) enquired about Perry's contentious exit.
I provided her with some useful (largely esoteric) information and then Deano chimed in with his comments.
The poster's Perry-related question was the impetus for discussing Perry in this thread, nothing Deano did.
Lay off ur witch hunt and post something contributive for once.

[The_Noble_Cause]

OH LOOK HERE.... SUPPOSEDLY YOU (Deano & NC) CALL yourselves Perry fans. This is just MORE proof that YOU BOTH TALK out of both sides of your mouths OR should I say A$$!!!

Sitting here re-reading this, I am really just at a loss.
How does anything I posted in this thread remotely serve to show that I am not a fan of Perry's music?
I am really trying to understand these peoples' thought process.
But, you know what?
I can't, it's just not possible.
As Andrew also came to realize,

"Some folks cannot accept any negative slant towards their God and should someone dare to say something that isn't a kiss-ass compliment, then they must be driven by the devil."

You overgrown girlies have deep underlying obssesive tendencies.
It's scary really.

[ohsherrie]

One more time.....
A verdant poster asked a question regarding Perry's contentious exit from the band and so I supplied her with various band members' personal views on this matter.
-That's the end of it-
If you can find a quote in this thread where I *ahem* allegedly "bashed Perry" then please go ahead & do so.
If not, you ladies are just taking the piss right now and I kindly reccomend you shut it.

Of course the information you supplied was only slightly slanted to reflect your point of view.

And the motivations behind those comments you posted from Neal and Herbie are supposed to be unquestionable? Please.......................



Steve had a health problem and couldn't commit to a time frame for touring. That was unacceptable to Neal.

-That was the end of it-

[Rockindeano]

Hey Perry-onlies

If your God is so goddamned important, why didn't you all go to the WOF fame event?

Because you knew Perry probably wouldn't show up.

hahahah, I met your god, and you didn't..

worthless bags..

[PROPERRY]

So VERY sad that all "you both" can do here is slam Perry!!!!

Lori

Lookie here...the Pot calling the kettle black... All we do "is slam Perry?" Uh, when it's appropriate, yeah sure. If you hadn't noticed sweetheart, I slam Journey management when it is called for, and believe me, it is. I haven't really slammed Neal, because frankly, he is doing his job, and quite well I might add..same with Jon and the rest of the band.

You my dear, are the one who "always slams" Journey. I told you, if you wanted to give Generations a listen, I will send you a copy today...just say the word. Are you afraid you actually might like it? There is always room for more on the Journey train....trust me, it's alot better on this side of the tracks...

"You my dear, are the ones who "always slams" Journey".

I have NOT slamed the current Journey. I DEFEND Perry & that is it!!! I've NOT said "any unkind remarks toward the current band members.

As for the Generation cd, I don't recall you making that offer to me before, but I have NO interest in the Cd. Besides I heard the small clips when Andrew had them on the board, what I heard was ok, but that's it, "just ok" for me.

Take note, this is NOT slaming the current Journey, this is just giving you "my opinion" on the MUSIC, that is all.

Lori

[ohsherrie]

You overgrown girlies have deep underlying obssesive tendencies.
It's scary really.

And it differs from your unwavering devotion to a failing band in what way?

[The_Noble_Cause]

Of course the information you supplied was only slightly slanted to reflect your point of view.

The poster, artthou, came here already knowing one particular side of the story. She was led to believe that Perry was ill and that's why he couldn't commit.
That's ONE side and so I presented her with the other contrastive side.
Why would I re-tell the Perry side? -she clearly already knew that.
There is no sense in me repeating infomation.
Hello?
Aren't you paying attention, ohsherrie?

And the motivations behind those comments you posted from Neal and Herbie are supposed to be unquestionable?

That's for the poster to decide.
I just posited the information out there for her to read and to draw her own conclusions.

Steve had a health problem and couldn't commit to a time frame for touring. That was unacceptable to Neal.
-That was the end of it-

Unlike yourself, I NEVER felt the need to dogamatically proclaim to know who was right or wrong in this thread.
All I did was do my best to make sure both sides of the story were being represented.

As I said above, I just posited the information for her to read and to draw her own conclusions.

[Rockindeano]

And it differs from your unwavering devotion to a failing band in what way?

How is Journey "failing?"

New fans, young fans, new CD, good CD, sold out venues, a tour, a next year, a new tour, good guys, good tunes, and new press......

Again, how is that bad?

Let me answer it for you.

It isn't. It's all good. (except Azoff).



LOL, you dumb crabbie-bitches....

[The_Noble_Cause]

You overgrown girlies have deep underlying obssesive tendencies.
It's scary really.

And it differs from your unwavering devotion to a failing band in what way?

Good grief.
Do I really have to explain this?

I am an objective fan.
If I like something the guys do, I say that.
If something they do sucks, then I say that, too.
In fact, i've done so on several occasions.
It's been my experience that so will every other Journey fan that I've encountered here.

As opposed to you and your ilk who aren't objective melodic rock listeners but rather zombified zealot practioneers of blind idolatry.
For example, when was the last time you said something even the slightest bit critical about Perry or his music?
THINK FAST-
Name one Steve Perry song that you don't like. Go ahead.
Time's up.

See what I mean?

[PROPERRY]

Hey Perry-onlies

If your God is so goddamned important, why didn't you all go to the WOF fame event?

Because you knew Perry probably wouldn't show up.

hahahah, I met your god, and you didn't..

worthless bags..

Oh My... And here YOU CLAIM to be such a BIG FAN of the current Journey, you STILL CAN'T THINK of anything to say about the current Journey????

Lori

[The_Noble_Cause]

Oh My... And here YOU CLAIM to be such a BIG FAN of the current Journey, you STILL CAN'T THINK of anything to say about the current Journey????
Lori

The topic at hand wasn't current Journey.
What the hell is wrong with you?

[Rockindeano]

Lori-

What the Hell is the matter with you?

I am not a big fan?

I am not at all bragging, but I did do these things this year....

Attended the Walk of Fame event, Jan 21st..

went to concert that same night

attended opening night of tour, irvine, CA June 26th

Got FREE CD
burned 11 copies..sent them out to fellow Melodic rock friends, who wanted one

Went to Tuscon show week later(hopped wall to talk to band..risked jail time)

Went to Paso Robles show in August(snuck back and talked to Valory pre show by buses)

Illegally obtained DVD of said show..will be giving out 5 copies to MR friends

Purchased Greek theater tix for Oct 9th

purchased rock n roll fantasy camp enrollment..about 8 grand

Oh, and I fight you nags on a daily basis.

PS- I am "fighting you nags from the Gulf Coast, where I volunteered for emergency service. So, I don't think I am totally a bad person.
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What has Journey done? Well I already told you..but I will again..

Huge successful tour, with no opening act
FREE CD for true fans
a very good cd too
Many interviews
a soldout tour
a tour next year
and no whining and bitching by any members..

Now what were you mumbling about.

Lori, Osherrie..all you nags..I got all day to fight you..so bring it on..

[jrnyman28]

Steve had a health problem and couldn't commit to a time frame for touring. That was unacceptable to Neal.

-That was the end of it-

No, Perry wouldn't commit to JOURNEY...AT ALL! The band said they would wait for him.

[ohsherrie]

Oh sure, NC, you're the very personification of objectivity.

I don't like Stand Up from FTLOSM, and I'm not crazy about Tuesday Heartache. I'm not terribly fond of I Believe or It's Only Love from Street Talk either. There are a couple songs on each of the albums he made with Journey that I skip. There are even a couple of songs from Arrival, and two that I've heard from Generations that are better "songs" than some of the earlier classic ones, , but they're not sung as well.

I've never said everything he did was perfect or above reproach. I just like most of his music better than I like most of anyone else's, and I think he's the incomparably, irreplacably greatest rock vocalist of all time.

I've also never said he was completely without blame in the breakup of the band. I just think, like most rational people would, that there ARE INDEED twos sides to the story and I don't see many people on here laying ANY of the responsibility in Neal's lap. You make it sound like Neal's some kind of saint to which this big, bad old meanie did terrible things.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Oh sure, NC, you're the very personification of objectivity.

Actually, I am. Read any of my reviews. Always brutally honest.

I don't like Stand Up from FTLOSM, and I'm not crazy about Tuesday Heartache. I'm not terribly fond of I Believe or It's Only Love from Street Talk either.

I like all of those, actually.

There are a couple songs on each of the albums he made with Journey that I skip. There are even a couple of songs from Arrival, and two that I've heard from Generations that are better "songs" than some of the earlier classic ones, , but they're not sung as well.

Why don't you post like this more often, ohsherrie?
Honesty is very becoming of you.

I've never said everything he did was perfect or above reproach. I just like most of his music better than I like most of anyone else's, and I think he's the incomparably, irreplacably greatest rock vocalist of all time.

He's def. up there.

I've also never said he was completely without blame in the breakup of the band. I just think, like most rational people would, that there ARE INDEED twos sides to the story and I don't see many people on here laying ANY of the responsibility in Neal's lap.

Then please do so. I am just presenting what I have learned over the years. If you have some incriminating dirt on Neal then by all means post away. Maybe u can teach me something.

You make it sound like Neal's some kind of saint to which this big, bad old meanie did terrible things.

I'm just posting the only contrastive side of the story that I know of.
Again, if you know of yet another different angle on the story (involving Neal) then please post it. I'd be interested to hear it.

[PROPERRY]

Well IF there is PLENTY to talk about with the current Journey, as YOU SAY, then WHY arn't you talking about them & those things?????
Lori

Because every time Journey fans talk about Journey, Perry-only fans slam the band, trash the members of the band, critique music they have not even heard, and turn the conversations towards Perry...

This person asked a QUESTION, Then NC & Deano jumped on the band wagon of attacking Perry.

NO ONE was saying "anything negative" about the current line up of Journey. You need to "pay attention" to what your buddies are saying before you give some eye roll to me about my response to Deano.

Lori

[Rockindeano]

Oh, Neal definetely ain't a saint..And thank God for that!

I love that fucker...

[jrnyman28]

This person asked a QUESTION,

Which is why people are discussing Perry. You asked and you answered. Why doesn't it sink in?

Then NC & Deano jumped on the band wagon of attacking Perry.

Deeno's methods are a little crude so I can understand that you think he is attacking Perry. In fact, he is pointing out his experiences and his reasons for feeling the way he does about Perry. Perry is not here, and therefore, Perry is not being attacked. However, TNC was in NO WAY attacking Perry. He gave the OTHER side of the story so the priginal poster could draw his/her own conclusions.

NO ONE was saying "anything negative" about the current line up of Journey.

Not here, not yet...but it happens in every thread. You claim "we" are not talking about Journey on this board, yet "we" do all the time. When was the last time "YOU" started a thr4ead to talk about Perry?

You need to "pay attention" to what your buddies are saying before you give some eye roll to me about my response to Deano.

Lori

lol

[ohsherrie]

Lori-

What the Hell is the matter with you?

I am not a big fan?

I am not at all bragging, but I did do these things this year....

Attended the Walk of Fame event, Jan 21st..

went to concert that same night

attended opening night of tour, irvine, CA June 26th

Got FREE CD
burned 11 copies..sent them out to fellow Melodic rock friends, who wanted one

Went to Tuscon show week later(hopped wall to talk to band..risked jail time)

Went to Paso Robles show in August(snuck back and talked to Valory pre show by buses)

Illegally obtained DVD of said show..will be giving out 5 copies to MR friends

Purchased Greek theater tix for Oct 9th

purchased rock n roll fantasy camp enrollment..about 8 grand

Oh, and I fight you nags on a daily basis.

And we're the obsessive ones?

PS- I am "fighting you nags from the Gulf Coast, where I volunteered for emergency service. So, I don't think I am totally a bad person.
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Good job Deano. (now if you'd just quit calling us nasty names)

[Rockindeano]

Wanna see how full circle I have come?

When I was 16, 17, I wanted to be like Perry in the worst way. I wanted to be able to sing like him...to be able to be awestruck like him..Then He left..and he lied..and he turned his back on me and the true fans...

Now I really don't hate him..I just haven't forgiven him..

I would much rather be a dude like Neal Schon....

[ohsherrie]

Why don't you post like this more often, ohsherrie?
Honesty is very becoming of you.

I'm always honest, just not always candidly conversational. I seldom ever get a chance. Most of the time I get attacked as soon as someone sees my nic.

If you have some incriminating dirt on Neal then by all means post away. Maybe u can teach me something.

I don't have anything to quote or post a link to. I'm just not naive enough to think everything is black and white in their business. I'm also not trying to find ways to make Neal the good guy and Steve the bad guy in the whole mess. Neal's resentment of Steve's becoming the "shining star" and signature sound of Journey when the band was originally conceived to showcase him(Neal) is apparent in a lot of the things he's said. Do you really think that wasn't a sore spot that festered over the years?

[Rockindeano]

Osherrie, I don't doubt your honesty at all..I wish you would be candid..I would respect the Hell out that....

[The_Noble_Cause]

This person asked a QUESTION, Then NC & Deano jumped on the band wagon of attacking Perry.

Cripes lady, u sure are stupid.
This must be the 10th time now I am going to have to say this to u:

A verdant poster asked a question regarding Perry's contentious (and somewhat nebulous) exit from the band and so I supplied her with various band members' personal views on this matter.
-That's the end of it-
If you can find a quote in this thread where I *ahem* allegedly "attacked Perry" then please go ahead & do so.
If not, you are just taking the piss right now and I kindly reccomend you shut it.

[Rockindeano]

I really didn't attack Perry either..I am kind of blunt, if none of you have realized it, but I believe I am honest...

Perry deserves all the shit he is taking for this...

His talents will NEVER be questioned from me..just his manhood and his character...