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[jrnyman28]

Dave, and Deano, there were a lot of realities that were "smoothed over" by everyone connected with the band for years. Just like the ROR Doc and other related interviews, in which Neal and Jon talked like they loved the album and agreed with the decisions that were made. Maybe "glossed over" would be a better choice of words. I think Steve was probably just going along with the previously prescribed protocal so as not to get into a deeper discussion of the reasons for the changes that were made. There were a lot of personal problems that were going on in all the guys' personal and professional lives. Maybe descretion in the form of "smoothing over" was the kindest thing to do for everyone concerned.

I have no problem with smoothing over. But, as I said before, why make a statement so completely WRONG! Smitty appears ON THE RECORD! So smooth it over by saying something generic about working with Smitty...artistic differences, something like that. We hear that all the time!

[NoMoreTails]

Most of you wouldn't recognize the truth unless someone drew you a picture and then your kids would have to explain it to you. You believe whatever fits your agenda.

HOTS, your statement here sounds like you are describing yourself and the other Perryheads. Check out your post below where you stated that YOU make up your own truth so as not to have to face the truth about the kind of person Perry is, or was (as I believe he probable really does regret what happened).


heardonthestreet
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Joined: 07 Feb 2005
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Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2005 12:11 am Post subject:

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I did state that it was just the way I viewed it at the time and it causes me less grief than any other scenario, for lack of positive evidence to the contrary. I'm not trying to swede anyone. I am just answering the question that someone asked of me concerning the supposed firing of Ross and Smitty.
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[NoMoreTails]

If Neal wants his name to be a household word, he should change it to, "Toilet Paper."

I will refrain from calling Perry "shit" here, and truly would never use such a disrespectful word to describe him, as much as I've disliked some of his actions and their affect on Journey...but in light of your remark about Neal, I wonder if it would be appropriate as you Perryheads feel that Neal got rid of Perry, or wiped him away if you will.

And why is it that Neal is the target of all Perryhead wrath? Why is Jonathan not blamed equally for them continuing without Perry?

[The_Noble_Cause]

Most of you wouldn't recognize the truth unless someone drew you a picture and then your kids would have to explain it to you. You believe whatever fits your agenda.

HOTS, your statement here sounds like you are describing yourself and the other Perryheads. Check out your post below where you stated that YOU make up your own truth so as not to have to face the truth about the kind of person Perry is, or was (as I believe he probable really does regret what happened).


heardonthestreet
Rocker


Joined: 07 Feb 2005
Posts: 520

Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2005 12:11 am Post subject:

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I did state that it was just the way I viewed it at the time and it causes me less grief than any other scenario, for lack of positive evidence to the contrary. I'm not trying to swede anyone. I am just answering the question that someone asked of me concerning the supposed firing of Ross and Smitty.
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Good work, Nomota.
Yep, she is def. certifiable.

[ohsherrie]

I have no problem with smoothing over. But, as I said before, why make a statement so completely WRONG! Smitty appears ON THE RECORD! So smooth it over by saying something generic about working with Smitty...artistic differences, something like that. We hear that all the time!

I agree with that.
PR spin or "smoothing over" happens ALL the time in the 'biz.
No suprise there.
But why paint Ross and Smitty sound so inept and ill-prepared?

To both of you, I don't know why he chose the words that he did. Maybe he didn't choose them. Maybe he was just trying to come up with a PC answer and it didn't come out like he meant it. I honestly don't think he would have meant anything so libelous as you're taking it to mean. He's never, to my knowledge, publicly badmouthed any of those guys. Haven't you ever been "on the spot" and having to answer a question you'd rather not deal with?

Maybe it's just a poor choice of words. Sort of like Steve Augeri's in that interview being discussed in another thread?

[The_Noble_Cause]

To both of you, I don't know why he chose the words that he did. Maybe he didn't choose them. Maybe he was just trying to come up with a PC answer and it didn't come out like he meant it. I honestly don't think he would have meant anything so libelous as you're taking it to mean. He's never, to my knowledge, publicly badmouthed any of those guys. Haven't you ever been "on the spot" and having to answer a question you'd rather not deal with?

Maybe it's just a poor choice of words. Sort of like Steve Augeri's in that interview being discussed in another thread?

You could be right, ohsherrie.

Hey, I'm not condemning Perry for what he said.
In fact, I think Dave's "OMG" title was a bit overdramatic.
I was just curious as to why.

[Monker]

You are purposely trying to instigate chaos on this forum while Andrew's taking a breather.

Yep...and some of the 'other side' are taking the bait...oh, well.

[jrnyman28]

You could be right, ohsherrie.

Hey, I'm not condemning Perry for what he said.
In fact, I think Dave's "OMG" title was a bit overdramatic.
I was just curious as to why.

The "OMG" was sarcasm.

[ohsherrie]

You could be right, ohsherrie.

Hey, I'm not condemning Perry for what he said.
In fact, I think Dave's "OMG" title was a bit overdramatic.
I was just curious as to why.

The "OMG" was sarcasm.

I thought it was a little "over the top" for you, but I figured you were trying to make a point about something.

[yak]

Steve Smith did an interview for a drummer magazine eons ago, and I wish I could post verbatim what he said when asked about leaving Journey. As I recall, however, it did have something to do with Perry saying Steve Smith wasn't going in the direction, playing wise, that HE, Perry, wanted things to go. So Perry fired him! Imagine! Criticizing, then firing, Steve Smith as a drummer?


Hey HOTS, Soledad, atthisthime, etc., go back to your easy chair, and fantasize about your bloated icon. You can have him. Freakin' Drama Queen.

Face it......If Perry and Journey were still together...and thank goodness Neal finally saw the light...... you all would be ooohhing and ahhing about whoever was in the band, as long as your bloated short guy was there. What a transparent bunch of dipshits.

[Red13JoePa]

"Bloated short guy"

[NealIsGod]

Steve Smith did an interview for a drummer magazine eons ago, and I wish I could post verbatim what he said when asked about leaving Journey. As I recall, however, it did have something to do with Perry saying Steve Smith wasn't going in the direction, playing wise, that HE, Perry, wanted things to go. So Perry fired him! Imagine! Criticizing, then firing. Steve Smith as a drummer?


Hey HOTS, Soledad, atthisthime, etc., go back to your easy chair, and fantasize about your bloated icon. You can have him. Freakin' Drama Queen.

I can imagine that conversation...

SMITTY: You wanted to see me, Steve?
PERRY: Yeah, Smitty, sit down. We need to talk.
SMITTY: Is something wrong?
PERRY: Yeah, your playing isn't really... how should I say this...
SMITTY: Spit it out!
PERRY: It's too "good" for the direction I want to take the band.
SMITTY: Excuse me?
PERRY: We, meaning me, have decided to go more 80's pop. It's not just a fad, you know. It's here to stay.
SMITTY: ummm... ok.
PERRY: I am making all of us get new wave haircuts and wear skinny ties. And the drumming needs to be more mechanized. I looked into having a robot replace you, but they are too expensive. Plus Styx has dibs on the first one.
SMITTY: This is outrageous! I'm going back to jazz drumming!
PERRY: Yeah, there's a future in that! (giggle). Can you send Ross in on your way out?

[Red13JoePa]

that's pretty damn funny. Love the ties part.

"Yea, the ties are gonna be SO skinny we could all be singing "Louie Louie" at a 1964 high school prom."

[thebook]

Steve Smith did an interview for a drummer magazine eons ago, and I wish I could post verbatim what he said when asked about leaving Journey. As I recall, however, it did have something to do with Perry saying Steve Smith wasn't going in the direction, playing wise, that HE, Perry, wanted things to go. So Perry fired him! Imagine! Criticizing, then firing, Steve Smith as a drummer?


Hey HOTS, Soledad, atthisthime, etc., go back to your easy chair, and fantasize about your bloated icon. You can have him. Freakin' Drama Queen.

Face it......If Perry and Journey were still together...and thank goodness Neal finally saw the light...... you all would be ooohhing and ahhing about whoever was in the band, as long as your bloated short guy was there. What a transparent bunch of dipshits.

here's another interview:
http://www.journey-zone.com/Features/In ... _06-03.htm

in smitty's own words.

[Monker]

What happened to jrydv's site anyway? Did his team abandon him? It looks like the only thing updated regularly is the tour dates.

[Rockindeano]

Hell with Smitty's interview..

I want to know what Neal is talking about..His secret for Journey that involves a DVD...This interview in 2003, says it's not the Arrival 2001....

He also said they were filming and recording every night on the Main Event tour..

Talk to us Neal.. Oh, forget it, I will beat it out of him in February

[LAWoman]

Check out this Q&A of Perry concerning Ross and Smitty's exclusion from ROR! Tell me how Smitty was PLAYING ON ROR TRACKS if this was the truth...


http://www.journey-tribute.com/journey/resources/articles/86_torontosun.html

Q: Was it difficult for Journey when Ross Valory and Steve Smith left? Did you think of disbanding or, especially with your solo success, going out on your own?

A: we had a lot of problems within the group that we couldn't resolve, and we decided to go our separate ways. I did my solo album and there was really no reason for us to get back together, except that Jon (Cain), Neal (Schon) and I wanted to get back together and just check it out. It's really hard to explain what finally came down but we did get together to do an album, and resolved some of our problems. The other two members of the band didn't even want to go on tour or get back into the whole thing. They hadn't played the kind of music that we were playing when we left off; Steve was playing jazz, actually, and Ross wasn't playing at all. When we got back together we had three. Jon and Neal and I had always kept our chops up, and I had done a solo album, so we were ready to roll. But they weren't, so we decided to continue without them.

On Behind the Music, Smitty and Ross said they were basically fired. I recall Smitty saying he was quite upset by the whole thing. I believe Perry also said that looking back on that situation, he would not do it that way again.

It is interesting that Perry phrases it all as: "we decided to continue without them". He seems fine with the concept of continuing without people.

[brandonx76]

here's another interview:
http://www.journey-zone.com/Features/In ... _06-03.htm

in smitty's own words.

COOL!! interview, thank you for sharing

- Brandon

[OpeningAct]

Hell with Smitty's interview..

I want to know what Neal is talking about..His secret for Journey that involves a DVD...This interview in 2003, says it's not the Arrival 2001....

He also said they were filming and recording every night on the Main Event tour..

Talk to us Neal.. Oh, forget it, I will beat it out of him in February

LOL...You beating anything out of anyone strikes me as fucking hilarious....

[amaron]

It is interesting that Perry phrases it all as: "we decided to continue without them". He seems fine with the concept of continuing without people.

Except when it involves continuing without HIM apparently.

[NealIsGod]

Hell with Smitty's interview..

I want to know what Neal is talking about..His secret for Journey that involves a DVD...This interview in 2003, says it's not the Arrival 2001....

He also said they were filming and recording every night on the Main Event tour..

Talk to us Neal.. Oh, forget it, I will beat it out of him in February

LOL...You beating anything out of anyone strikes me as fucking hilarious....

Funny how people say things on the internet that they would NEVER have the balls to say to someone's face. That's pretty fucking funny.

[OpeningAct]

Hell with Smitty's interview..

I want to know what Neal is talking about..His secret for Journey that involves a DVD...This interview in 2003, says it's not the Arrival 2001....

He also said they were filming and recording every night on the Main Event tour..

Talk to us Neal.. Oh, forget it, I will beat it out of him in February

LOL...You beating anything out of anyone strikes me as fucking hilarious....

Funny how people say things on the internet that they would NEVER have the balls to say to someone's face. That's pretty fucking funny.

And this coming from Deano's buddy who insults anyone who doesn't agree with him???? C'mon NiG.....Am I wrong?

[NealIsGod]

And this coming from Deano's buddy who insults anyone who doesn't agree with him???? C'mon NiG.....Am I wrong?

Yes, you are.

[OpeningAct]

And this coming from Deano's buddy who insults anyone who doesn't agree with him???? C'mon NiG.....Am I wrong?

Yes, you are.

His insults go over the line at times...that's a fact.

[ohsherrie]

here's another interview:
http://www.journey-zone.com/Features/In ... _06-03.htm

in smitty's own words.

That's the most comprehensive, unbiased account of what happened with ROR that I've read. I don't know how I missed it before. I used to visit that site sometimes. Thank you for posting it.

[thebook]

here's another interview:
http://www.journey-zone.com/Features/In ... _06-03.htm

in smitty's own words.

COOL!! interview, thank you for sharing

- Brandon

you're welcome, there's some other interesting interviews on that site as well.

[thebook]

What happened to jrydv's site anyway? Did his team abandon him? It looks like the only thing updated regularly is the tour dates.

Not sure. it does look like the site has been dormant, interview wise, for a year or so.