Trouble Brewin' Concerning Dallas Show

[jrnyman28]

Lori. I think everyone involved agrees with you. In fact, I saw NO posts supporting the band on this one. It may be common practice for many, but this is an "over-the-hill" band. This is not a current popular band. This is not a band with a womanizing reputation. And this is a band that has tried to be VERY accomodating to it's fans.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Lori. I think everyone involved agrees with you. In fact, I saw NO posts supporting the band on this one.

Cj has gone out of her way to remunerate or cater to those that were displaced or somehow wronged by the importation of bimbos to the front row.
With the interpolation of that fact, I see nothing wrog with what Journey did.

[jrnyman28]

[I see nothing wrog with what Journey did.

If you had spent over $200 for front row tickets would you see it different?

[perryfaithful]

Cj has gone out of her way to remunerate or cater to those that were displaced or somehow wronged by the importation of bimbos to the front row.
With the interpolation of that fact, I see nothing wrog with what Journey did.

What bullshit

[The_Noble_Cause]

[I see nothing wrog with what Journey did.

If you had spent over $200 for front row tickets would you see it different?

No, because as I already clarified (and u so conveniently omitted) Cj contacted management and did everything within her power to redress those that in any way felt wronged.
Being that it will be broadcast on television and will eventually be released onto dvd, I see nothing wrong with adding a little extra aesthetic appeal to the crowd. It only makes sense.
Some of Journey's fans aren't the most telegenic people in the world.
Sound shallow and superficial?
Welcome to the world of TV, folks!- (where looks matter)

[The_Noble_Cause]

Cj has gone out of her way to remunerate or cater to those that were displaced or somehow wronged by the importation of bimbos to the front row.
With the interpolation of that fact, I see nothing wrog with what Journey did.

What bullshit

Profound and articulate as ever, Perryfaithful.

[OpeningAct]

Now the agreement: I think you understand all of the above but still wanted to play it. Management's vague aloof reply to you is inexplicably baffling. And dumb. So it wasn't the official final version. And yes, now we know TPIYH has been remixed for radio.
But if a station was willing to take that album as was and play anything off of it on the radio HOW CAN THEY SAY NO? In this day and age when it's so hard to get on radio. I wonder if the band knows their reps did this in SF. YEs, we the diehards will discern the difference between the mixes but really how much worse could it have sounded to the average listener if Kay spun the giveaway version on air?

Wow, harmony between Red and AKay. What's next, cats and dogs sleeping together?

Why all the snide, shit ass comments you mother-fucker...just wondering you miserable D-bag....

[Monker]

[I see nothing wrog with what Journey did.

If you had spent over $200 for front row tickets would you see it different?

Are you saying they let these women sit in FRONT of the front row, or displace the front row to seats further back?

I thought you guys were talking about the advanced seating packages...If that is the case, then these people were NOT gauranteed front row tickets...onlly the first ten rows, or whatever. In that case they got what Journey promised them.

[OpeningAct]

[I see nothing wrog with what Journey did.

If you had spent over $200 for front row tickets would you see it different?

Are you saying they let these women sit in FRONT of the front row, or displace the front row to seats further back?

I thought you guys were talking about the advanced seating packages...If that is the case, then these people were NOT gauranteed front row tickets...onlly the first ten rows, or whatever. In that case they got what Journey promised them.

This coming from an asexual...
Friggin retard...go comment on your website....now up to 35 views after three years....

[Andrew]

This coming from an asexual...
Friggin retard...go comment on your website....now up to 35 views after three years....

Have a nice holiday. Goodbye.

[jrnyman28]

No, because as I already clarified (and u so conveniently omitted) Cj contacted management and did everything within her power to redress those that in any way felt wronged.

I did not know the full extent of CJ's actions. In fact, I had not heard any of it. The thread's were all already gone when I found out about it. There was one thread bringing it up and nothing about CJs actions was included.

Being that it will be broadcast on television

I am hearing this rumor but I have not seen where it came from. Has this been confirmed?

and will eventually be released onto dvd, I see nothing wrong with adding a little extra aesthetic appeal to the crowd. It only makes sense.
Some of Journey's fans aren't the most telegenic people in the world.
Sound shallow and superficial?
Welcome to the world of TV, folks!- (where looks matter)

With TV, yeah I understand. You are correct about the aesthetics of the typical Journey fan. But it still should have been handled better.

[jrnyman28]

Are you saying they let these women sit in FRONT of the front row,

That was my understanding based on the one final thread I was able to read. I missed all the others...they had been closed and deleted apparantly. Or maybe they were in Dixie Highway, I never go there after I go to 'my' show.

If that is the case, then these people were NOT gauranteed front row tickets...onlly the first ten rows, or whatever. In that case they got what Journey promised them.

That would be true. But, as I said, my understanding is that the bimbos were escorted down in front of everyone else.

[Red13JoePa]

This coming from an asexual...
Friggin retard...go comment on your website....now up to 35 views after three years....

Have a nice holiday. Goodbye.

What in the sweet name of Christ was THAT OA was just attacking NOONE in particular with Both barrels blazing.

[jrnyman28]

This coming from an asexual...
Friggin retard...go comment on your website....now up to 35 views after three years....

Have a nice holiday. Goodbye.

What in the sweet name of Christ was THAT OA was just attacking NOONE in particular with Both barrels blazing.

He was attacking Monker for ABSOLUTELY no reason. His time has come.

[Red13JoePa]

I know I had to go shower up after posting.

It's wrong. It just feels wrong.

You love me and can't get enough of me and you know it.

I'll be GODdamned.

You're right! I DO

[Monker]

This coming from an asexual...

Err, don't know where that came from. But, you can think that if you want to. Doesn't bother me at all.

Friggin retard...go comment on your website....now up to 35 views after three years....

A website that doesn't even exist, and hasn't for about six months. Maybe I'll start something else up though. I didn't do it for 'views'. I did it because it was nice to have a place to post certain things that did not fit on various other forums...or to save certain posts that I did make to other forums, because I felt they were interesting in some way.

[jwsw_jeff]

I also read about the "babe" issue and if it is true... then it's pretty weak.

I have four star tickets for Saturday, and I am expecting to get my money's worth. Besides, I am going with my wife, and if I spent the whole concert standing there drooling at perfectly hot, unattainable women, she'd kick my ass!

Bottom line, if you have to hire hot female "rent-a-fans" then it seems a little pathetic to me.

[perryfaithful]

Bottom line, if you have to hire hot female "rent-a-fans" then it seems a little pathetic to me.

Right there with you! .....and when is the official Journey website going to start dealing with issues head on instead of burying them? That is ALSO pathetic

Whatever, I hope you and your wife have an outstanding time at the Journey show this Saturday! Check us all in on Monday

[The_Noble_Cause]

Bottom line, if you have to hire hot female "rent-a-fans" then it seems a little pathetic to me.

It may seem "pathetic" to you, but it seems entiriely understandable to me.
Being that it will be broadcast on television and will eventually be released onto dvd, I see nothing wrong with adding a little extra aesthetic appeal to the crowd. It only makes sense.
Some of Journey's fans aren't the most telegenic people in the world.
Sound shallow and superficial?
Welcome to the world of TV, folks!-

[The_Noble_Cause]

when is the official Journey website going to start dealing with issues head on instead of burying them? That is ALSO pathetic

CJ contacted every scorned fan and went out of her way to remunerate them.
How much more head-on can u get?

Besides, journeymusic.com exists as a publicity mechanism for the band. It's paid for by private funds.
Why would they want to air their dirty laundry out for all the world to see

[ohsherrie]

This is a subject that's hard for me to take a stand on. I understand all sides of it.


I certainly see why the fans who feel like their seats were stolen feel cheated.

I see why PF thinks it's a cheap shot at the fans who bought tickets and they deserve a real discussion on the band's official website.

As a middle aged woman who has loved Journey for around 25 yrs, it's a personal insult.

I see why the band did it.

I understand why the mentality at Journeymusic.com is as it is.

I think the potential fanbase would be better served if Journeymusic.com would loosen up on their "if you don't love everything this band does you don't love Journey" mentality.


I don't see why I'm posting this other than to talk about it.

[jrnyman28]

I don't see why I'm posting this other than to talk about it.

I post similar things like this ON BT.
Jrnyjetster does too. In fact, JJ has become very vocal as of late!

[PROPERRY]

The way I look at is that if Journey is trying to appeal to the tv audience (if this is being televised), then I would MUCH rather "see real fans" standing up, clapping & singing along to the music, than to see some "extra fans" that are just there for aesthetics.

It is the MUSIC that is supposed to capture the audience, NOT these "extra fans" that everyone else will KNOW that they are not "genuine fans" of the band & their music. Just my thoughts.

Lori

[ohsherrie]

I don't see why I'm posting this other than to talk about it.

I post similar things like this ON BT.
Jrnyjetster does too. In fact, JJ has become very vocal as of late!

Well, I've been kicked off there under three ISPs so I think I'm gone for good. That's OK though, because I just get pissed when I go there.

[Rockindeano]

The way I look at is that if Journey is trying to appeal to the tv audience (if this is being televised), then I would MUCH rather "see real fans" standing up, clapping & singing along to the music, than to see some "extra fans" that are just there for aesthetics.

It is the MUSIC that is supposed to capture the audience, NOT these "extra fans" that everyone else will KNOW that they are not "genuine fans" of the band & their music. Just my thoughts.

Lori

Just your thoughts? make it your statement..Lori, that hit the nail on the head..100% correct.

This, if true, pisses me off...I want to go down to Azoff Mgt and kick his wrinkly old ass.....He is in LA right?

[The_Noble_Cause]

This, if true, pisses me off...I want to go down to Azoff Mgt and kick his wrinkly old ass.....He is in LA right?

I think ur partially blinded by your impetuosity to assign blame to Azoff for ANY reason. If you stopped and thought about it for a moment, you'd come to the conclusion that what ocurred in Houston was beatiful in it's underhanded ingenuity.
A shrewd business move that even the legendary Herbie H. would've been mighty proud of (in fact, I wouldn't be suprised if it was his idea).

When Herbie wanted to give the impression of fledgling Journey being succesful, what did he do? He craftily got them played in restaraunts and stores as background noise, so people would become familiar with the songs and also mistake it for popular radio. As he said, giving Journey the impression of being succesful was accomplished stealthily, mainly thru "smoke & mirrors".

When his company Nocturne filmed the Vegas show, he said that he had them selectively focus on the hardcore fans who were singing the words to "All the Way" to give the impression that the song was a big hit (when it wasn't). That wasn't an honest, fair depiction of the entire crowd, but did Herbie care?
Fuck no.
Proving again, that if it makes the band look good, that's what counts.

Similarly, hauling a bunch of hotties in U-Hauls and deploying them at the Houston show to counter the dearth of lovelies in attendance is similarly breathtaking in it's razor sharp business acumen.
Like I said, I feel Herbie would be proud.

[PROPERRY]

This, if true, pisses me off...I want to go down to Azoff Mgt and kick his wrinkly old ass.....He is in LA right?

I think ur partially blinded by your impetuosity to assign blame to Azoff for ANY reason. If you stopped and thought about it for a moment, you'd come to the conclusion that what ocurred in Houston was beatiful in it's underhanded ingenuity.
A shrewd business move that even the legendary Herbie H. would've been mighty proud of (in fact, I wouldn't be suprised if it was his idea).

When Herbie wanted to give the impression of fledgling Journey being succesful, what did he do? He craftily got them played in restaraunts and stores as background noise, so people would become familiar with the songs and also mistake it for popular radio. As he said, giving Journey the impression of being succesful was accomplished stealthily, mainly thru "smoke & mirrors".

When his company Nocturne filmed the Vegas show, he said that he had them selectively focus on the hardcore fans who were singing the words to "All the Way" to give the impression that the song was a big hit (when it wasn't). That wasn't an honest, fair depiction of the entire crowd, but did Herbie care?
Fuck no.
Proving again, that if it makes the band look good, that's what counts.

Similarly, hauling a bunch of hotties in U-Hauls and deploying them at the Houston show to counter the dearth of lovelies in attendance is similarly breathtaking in it's razor sharp business acumen.
Like I said, I feel Herbie would be proud.

NC,

I understand the band playing in restarants, store & other places, so that the people would become more familiar with Journey. That totally makes sense!

Nothing wrong with the idea either that the company filmed the hardcore fans singing "All The Way" because it was utilizing the REAL FANS in the concert, but bringing in "extras" is much different, because the FANS are able to really see that it is a "gimmick" to make the band look good.

Lori

[heardonthestreet]

They should have hauled in a bunch of hot looking guys. The days of Journey drawing a lot of women to their concerts is a thing of the past. It went out with Perry, just as it started with him.

[SuiteMadameBlue]

heardonthestreet says:

They should have hauled in a bunch of hot looking guys. The days of Journey drawing a lot of women to their concerts is a thing of the past. It went out with Perry, just as it started with him.

AMEN!!! I totally agree

[amaron]

That's OK though, because I just get pissed when I go there.

Funny thing is, so do I... probably for close to the same reason.

I feel that BT is way too "cheerleaderish" for my tastes.