Just a question....

[Guest]

Did those who think Raised on Radio and Street Talk is shit, think that back in 1986 and 1984, respectively?
Or are we dealing with revisionist history???
I think it's a fair question.

[jrnyman28]

I like Street Talk, always have. And I liked it because it was Steve Perry.
But I didn't like ROR as much for the same reason: it was Steve Perry.
I was extremely disappointed that Smitty and Ross were not a part of Journey anymore. And the music was so light! Neal has very little to do with the music but what he did was brilliant. When I heard a sax solo though...was not a happy moment for me. Yes, I liked the CD ok. I enjoyed it for what it was...a Steve Perry solo record with some good musicians on it. Yes, I liked hearing it on the radio. In fact, I STILL like hearing it on the radio today. That is what they wanted to make and that is what they succeeded in making...a radio friendly album.

I rank ROR as one of my least favorite Journey CDs, but that in no way means I hate it. I just like it LESS than most other Journey cds.

[NealIsGod]

I like Street Talk, always have. And I liked it because it was Steve Perry.
But I didn't like ROR as much for the same reason: it was Steve Perry.
I was extremely disappointed that Smitty and Ross were not a part of Journey anymore. And the music was so light! Neal has very little to do with the music but what he did was brilliant. When I heard a sax solo though...was not a happy moment for me. Yes, I liked the CD ok. I enjoyed it for what it was...a Steve Perry solo record with some good musicians on it. Yes, I liked hearing it on the radio. In fact, I STILL like hearing it on the radio today. That is what they wanted to make and that is what they succeeded in making...a radio friendly album.

I rank ROR as one of my least favorite Journey CDs, but that in no way means I hate it. I just like it LESS than most other Journey cds.

Yes, it's just not Journey. It's like a side project. Good for what it is, just doesn't really fit in the Journey discography very well.

[Rockindeano]

Oh and to the guy who thinks hockey is better than sex...get laid once and then report back....

Dude, ever heard the word, sarcasim?

[NoMoreTails]

Street Talk was good for what it was, just lighter than what I care/cared for. I have to say that Perry did his own thing with that album, not attempting for the most part to sound like Journey, as FTLOSM attempted to do.
As for ROR, I tried very hard to like it since it was "Journey" but did not succeed. I agree that it was basically a Perry solo thing.

[NealIsGod]

Did those who think Raised on Radio and Street Talk is shit, think that back in 1986 and 1984, respectively?
Or are we dealing with revisionist history???
I think it's a fair question.
Oh and to the guy who thinks hockey is better than sex...get laid once and then report back....

Hi, Joe.

[Guest]

Oh and to the guy who thinks hockey is better than sex...get laid once and then report back....

Dude, ever heard the word, sarcasim?

Oh, you mean sarcasm? Yeah, I have. You aren't big on emoticons, are you Rock'ndeano?

[Monker]

Did those who think Raised on Radio and Street Talk is shit, think that back in 1986 and 1984, respectively?
Or are we dealing with revisionist history???
I think it's a fair question.

I have ALWAYS felt that way about ROR. It is NOT the way I wanted/want Journey to sound.

...and I have NEVER felt that way about ST. ST was 'different' and I thought that was the direction that Perry should continue going down. I don't think it was the best album ever but it was unique enough to make me want to go back and listen to it over and over, for years.

[jwsw_jeff]

Did those who think Raised on Radio and Street Talk is shit, think that back in 1986 and 1984, respectively?
Or are we dealing with revisionist history???
I think it's a fair question.

It's a totally fair question.

I liked the single (Oh Sherrie) off of Street Talk, it was part of the genre of music I listened to at the time. It was good. Not great, but good.

I liked ROR as well, but I remember thinking that most of the tracks had a much more commercial feel to them, more pop and a bit overproduced than Escape and Frontiers. (-sidebar- and who the HELL would replace Ross Vallory with Randy Frickin Jackson.)

Bottom line, the Perry solo stuff and *most* of ROR has not stood the test of time for me the way other music has. But then again, if you read my usual bloviating posts, I think it's pretty clear that I like Steve Perry and his music. I'm not a troll or a hater.

I just believe with conviction that Arrival was way better. I also like most of Red 13 and Generations in the same way. Even more so, I like the fact that I can expect new music much more frequently with the current version of Journey than with Perry fronting.

[Greg]

It's a fair question. I really liked Street Talk as well. ROR was basically a pop album....the only true rocker on the album was BGTY. I certainly can see why many felt it was basically a Perry solo with Schon and Cain "guest staring." Still though, I really liked ROR, but preferred more of the Journey from Escape and Frontiers.

[Rockindeano]

Fuck this! I will take the bait.... This clown is "opening Act" NO DOUBT in my mind!



Sorry there ...You stupid assed loser,...Hey, NC, are you gonna blow your new lover?

Andrew aint dumb you know?

[The_Noble_Cause]

Sorry there ...You stupid assed loser,...Hey, NC, are you gonna blow your new lover?

Andrew aint dumb you know?

First I was sent a pm saying that "you are done with me"
Then you wrote a post, publicly averring " I will no longer engage with you"
Can you please make up your mind?
So far tonite, every post you've written has been directed either towards me or about me.
I'll tell you once again, either talk about Journey, or don't talk to me at all.

And for the record, I am forwarding your death threat to Andrew.
I am a pretty laid back guy, but I draw the line at death threats.

[mnmsjrny]

Did those who think Raised on Radio and Street Talk is shit, think that back in 1986 and 1984, respectively?
Or are we dealing with revisionist history???
I think it's a fair question.

Well, back in '84 I refused to buy Street Talk. My feeling was it wasn't a good thing for Journey, so I wasn't going to encourage that sort of behaviour. Noble sentiment at 15, but obviously a total failure! I DID like the singles and eventually got a copy of it some time post ROR. I enjoy it more than ROR or FTLOSM -- I think it's held up better.

As for ROR, I had to be convinced to buy it. Once I did, I really loved it, but I think that it is dated now, unlike everything else that came before. A lot of the reason I loved it then had to do with my overall state of mind and a new Journey album helped me regain sanity after a rough patch.

[NealIsGod]

Well, back in '84 I refused to buy Street Talk. My feeling was it wasn't a good thing for Journey, so I wasn't going to encourage that sort of behaviour. Noble sentiment at 15, but obviously a total failure! I DID like the singles and eventually got a copy of it some time post ROR. I enjoy it more than ROR or FTLOSM -- I think it's held up better.

As for ROR, I had to be convinced to buy it. Once I did, I really loved it, but I think that it is dated now, unlike everything else that came before. A lot of the reason I loved it then had to do with my overall state of mind and a new Journey album helped me regain sanity after a rough patch.

I agree - Street Talk has held up much better than ROR over time. ROR was Journey's attempt to fit in to a skinny tie and silly haircut world. They should have just been themselves. My favorite ST tracks are She's Mine, I Believe, and Strung Out.

[cubby69]

There are three songs off of Street Talk that I can tolerate, the last three, Running Alone, Captured By The Moment and Strung Out. Other than that, I can't stand to listen to that album. I always thought overall that FTLOSM was a much better album. But doesn't exactly rank up there with my favorites either.

I NEVER liked ROR, I was completely blown away how bad and different Journey sounded on this one. Now remember, I'm a fan from the old days, so to me this was not Journey. I always viewed this as a Perry solo album, I'm not slamming Perry on that. But in the BTM directors cut I remember someone saying the Perry was in complete control of everything. What songs were chosen, the musicians used. To me that more than anything spoke volumes that this was his album, not a band album, not Journey.

[Guest]

I loved the different sound of Street Talk...it sounds like Perry had fun making this album and singing.
I liked the different sound of ROR as well....Suzanne is still a favorite of mine and Girl Can't Help It was HUGE back in the day.
And IMO, the song ROR is one of the band's most underrated...

[Greg]

I loved the different sound of Street Talk...it sounds like Perry had fun making this album and singing.
I liked the different sound of ROR as well....Suzanne is still a favorite of mine and Girl Can't Help It was HUGE back in the day.
And IMO, the song ROR is one of the band's most underrated...

Yeah, I loved that song as well! Actually, thinking back, the only song I think I didn't care too much for was "Happy To Give." I thought it was waaaay to poppy!

If any of you guys have Time3, you probably remember the two instrumentals at the end of the 3rd disc - "With A Tear" and "Into My Arms." If Journey had finished those songs (completely with lead vocals and of course lyrics) I think those songs would have made ROR ALOT better. I listen to those songs from time to time, and can almost imagine Perry's vox and at least how the chorus from each would sound! IMO, both songs would have been instant hits!

[jrnyman28]

Yeah, I loved that song as well! Actually, thinking back, the only song I think I didn't care too much for was "Happy To Give." I thought it was waaaay to poppy!

The song I consider the worst song Journey has ever recorded is on ROR....The Eyes Of A Woman!! UGH!! BOOOOORING...

If any of you guys have Time3, you probably remember the two instrumentals at the end of the 3rd disc - "With A Tear" and "Into My Arms." If Journey had finished those songs (completely with lead vocals and of course lyrics) I think those songs would have made ROR ALOT better. I listen to those songs from time to time, and can almost imagine Perry's vox and at least how the chorus from each would sound! IMO, both songs would have been instant hits!

I could hear that. It is such a shame Perry would not lay down vocals to those songs for the TIME3 package! At least one of them could have then been released as a single to promote the box set! That would have gona a long way for journey and it MIGHT have even created a reunion SOONER, without Sony's push. Oh what 'coulda been'.

[Ren]

Greg, I totally agree with you on "With A Tear" and "Into My Arms." I played the hell out of them when Time 3 came out, and evisioned Perry's vocals making them hits. Given how soft ROR was, Steve probably would have rejected them.

[amaron]

The song I consider the worst song Journey has ever recorded is on ROR....The Eyes Of A Woman!! UGH!! BOOOOORING...

I don't know... I kinda like SP's voice on that song...

My vote for worst is Dead or Alive or Back Talk...

[Monker]

I could hear that. It is such a shame Perry would not lay down vocals to those songs for the TIME3 package! At least one of them could have then been released as a single to promote the box set! That would have gona a long way for journey and it MIGHT have even created a reunion SOONER, without Sony's push. Oh what 'coulda been'.

I did hear one of them on the radio a few times. Don't remember which one.

They also rereleased Lights as a single. I have a cassette of it. It included a medley of the rarities in the box set. I always thought rereleasing "Lights" was odd since there were "new" things in the box set that could have been released, like "Liberty" or "Good Times" and many others.

[Guest]

The song I consider the worst song Journey has ever recorded is on ROR....The Eyes Of A Woman!! UGH!! BOOOOORING...

I don't know... I kinda like SP's voice on that song...

My vote for worst is Dead or Alive or Back Talk...

You know, I always thought Dead or Alive was a pretty cool rocker...I like it....
You hit the nail on the head though with Back Talk...yeesh...HAS to be the worst song the guys ever released....

[The_Noble_Cause]

Yeah, I like Dead or Alive too.
It was great to hear in concert last summer.

[Andrew]

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