Nightly Exorcisms??

[ohsherrie]

Not to say Augeri is better, of course. Just that Steve happened to be in the band during it's heyday.

I have to disagree with you there NIG, I think it was Steve's voice that set Journey apart from the pack at the time. If he had been just another singer his name wouldn't still be as prominent today as it obviously is. His sound was unique and powerful.

[NealIsGod]

Not to say Augeri is better, of course. Just that Steve happened to be in the band during it's heyday.

I have to disagree with you there NIG, I think it was Steve's voice that set Journey apart from the pack at the time. If he had been just another singer his name wouldn't still be as prominent today as it obviously is. His sound was unique and powerful.

That's fair. Perry's voice was a big part of it, but if they were not great songs, they would not have been hits. Works both ways. And Augeri does a great job with Journey's older material, if you give him a chance.

[amaron]

A few diehard fans of the current line up can huff and puff til they are green but the name Steve Perry when it comes to Journey doesn't die! Those years were magic!

I do not call 12,000 + fans "a few diehard fans."



Need you be reminded once again that these fans came to the venues, tickets in hand, to hear Journey with Steve Augeri.

Good Grief, some things never change.

Now now... let's not have facts get in the way of their opinions.

[perryfaithful]

Those years were magic!

Yes, but the majority of fans can get over the fact that is finished and move on with their life.

Some sadly can't.

So then you are saying the magic is over......

I then have to wonder....why bother?

Please remember that the original comment (Jrnyman28) being discussed here is about JOURNALISTS reviewing Journey STILL bringing Perry up after all these years of his absence....and WHY?

As for moving on, Journey is about to release a DVD of their 1981 Houston concert. Is that moving on??

[NealIsGod]

Those years were magic!

Yes, but the majority of fans can get over the fact that is finished and move on with their life.

Some sadly can't.

So then you are saying the magic is over......

I then have to wonder....why bother?

Please remember that the original comment (Jrnyman28) being discussed here is about JOURNALISTS reviewing Journey STILL bringing Perry up after all these years of his absence....and WHY?

As for moving on, Journey is about to release a DVD of their 1981 Houston concert. Is that moving on??

Gee, you fail to mention that is PERRY'S project...

[Red13JoePa]

Well, to be fair the band put out a dvd in 2001 called 2001 featuring the band with Augeri and Deen. That has shifted a good # of units. So now, 4 years later they get around to doing a vintage one.

[ohsherrie]

Not to say Augeri is better, of course. Just that Steve happened to be in the band during it's heyday.

I have to disagree with you there NIG, I think it was Steve's voice that set Journey apart from the pack at the time. If he had been just another singer his name wouldn't still be as prominent today as it obviously is. His sound was unique and powerful.

That's fair. Perry's voice was a big part of it, but if they were not great songs, they would not have been hits. Works both ways. And Augeri does a great job with Journey's older material, if you give him a chance.

I'm sure he must be doing a good job if people keep buying the tickets, and he sounds good on the new songs I've heard. Yes, the music itself had a lot to do with their success, but that could lead to another discussion as to whether that SAME music would exist if it weren't for Steve's influence. It certainly wouldn't have sounded the same without his voice. We'll never have any way of knowing whether another voice could have sold it as well at the time, but I'm personally doubtful. What we do know from so many reviews is that Journey, whether we all like it or not, is always going to be associated with Steve Perry's voice and any new material will always be compared with those songs.

[Red13JoePa]

What we do know from so many reviews is that Journey, whether we all like it or not, is always going to be associated with Steve Perry's voice and any new material will always be compared with those songs.[/quote]


Yes. And compared quite favorably I might add.

[yak]

I then have to wonder....why bother?

Wondering the same thing.....Why DO you?

and we are not talking about the basic ticket holder here. Way off

Do you mind explaining what you are talking about

Are you saying 12,000+ concertgoers are not supposed to count? Or does the large number, repeated this summer at several venues, make it oh so much more difficult to reconcile the fact that Journey has moved on?

I thought you required facts to back things up. Explain please.

And for crimmany's sake, leave Andrew alone. Why he puts up with you I'll never understand. The reason some reviewers put Perry's name out there is maybe because somebody's paying them to do it? Or maybe they are like you and your three friends, living in the past, and refusing to accept the reality of the last several years, choosing instead to rationalize to your way of thinking, everything good that's happened in that time span.

Now now... let's not have facts get in the way of their opinions.

Not that the three of them would ever know a fact if it hit them in the head.

Gee, you fail to mention that is PERRY'S project...

Because her boy can do no wrong........

[perryfaithful]

Gee, you fail to mention that is PERRY'S project...

Perry is producing....but it is a Journey project!

[Red13JoePa]

So? Journey can't make $ on old material that Neal Ross and Jon participated in?
Or is the implication that they can't sell new concerts, only old that they NEED Perry fronted shows to break even? That bumps into a factual roadblock as the 2001 (put out in 2001, 4 years before trying to cash in on any dvds with old singers) dvd with Journey has shifted enough units to go gold.

[NoMoreTails]

Yes, the music itself had a lot to do with their success, but that could lead to another discussion as to whether that SAME music would exist if it weren't for Steve's influence. It certainly wouldn't have sounded the same without his voice. We'll never have any way of knowing whether another voice could have sold it as well at the time...

I can agree to this to an extent, but some of the music could have been the same, much of the music on Infinity is a progression from the first three albums. And there are songs that Perry influenced less than others undoubtedly throughout his years with Journey. We can also assume that the SAME music would not have existed without Neal/Jon/Gregg's writing and musicianship, Ross/Smitty/Ansley's performances and Robert F's writing.

[perryfaithful]

So? Journey can't make $ on old material that Neal Ross and Jon participated in?
Or is the implication that they can't sell new concerts, only old that they NEED Perry fronted shows to break even? That bumps into a factual roadblock as the 2001 (put out in 2001, 4 years before trying to cash in on any dvds with old singers) dvd with Journey has shifted enough units to go gold.

Worry and fuss! Please.....we were talking about "moving on" and I suggested that the release of the 1981 DVD is all about the PAST. Nothing more. A comment was then made that this was a Perry project and I do not agree. It is a JOurney project, just Perry produced. It is all good for everyone....so what's the problem now??

[yak]

....so what's the problem now??

That the game playing never ceases?? It gets so tired and old.

[NoMoreTails]

Worry and fuss! Please.....we were talking about "moving on" and I suggested that the release of the 1981 DVD is all about the PAST. Nothing more. A comment was then made that this was a Perry project and I do not agree. It is a JOurney project, just Perry produced. It is all good for everyone....so what's the problem now??

This is very likely a Perry/Kolodner project as JDK is always talking about working with Perry on this thing. Journey probably agreed only so they'd be able to include the Perry-era songs on their forthcoming new DVD, just as they agreed to let Perry have approval rights on BTM so that they could release the 2001 DVD.
And what's with the red type posts? That's as irritating as all caps would be, and appears arrogant enough to be something Perry himself would do, I can only see it as attempting to imply your posts are more important than everyone else's.

[perryfaithful]

All good! For everyone.....

[ohsherrie]

We can also assume that the SAME music would not have existed without Neal/Jon/Gregg's writing and musicianship, Ross/Smitty/Ansley's performances and Robert F's writing.

Of course that's true too.