Let's Combine TBF, Arrival, Red 13, and Generations!!!

[Greg]

Let's say journey never released any of these, but decided to put one cd out with the best songs from each, which 12 would you pick? I pick the number 12, because I believe that is a decent number to put on an album. This is what my Journey album would sound like:

1. State of Grace
2. Higher Place
3. To Be Alive Again
4. When You Love a Woman
5. Message of Love
6. Place In Your Heart
7. It's Never Too Late To Change
8. If He Should Break Your Heart
9. Better Together
10. All The Way
11. Easy To Fall
12. World Gone Wild

* Bonus Track - Self Defense
Ok, you can have a bonus track if you must!

I left out some other good songs, but I believe this would be a sweeet album!

[jrnyman28]

Sorry, you just cannot put TBF on a CD with the others....

Maybe I would allow for one song from TBF to be the bonus track. If so, I would love to hear "I Can See It In Your Eyes". Heck, maybe even have Steve re-record that one. I could hear him doing it.

[Greg]

Sorry, you just cannot put TBF on a CD with the others....

Maybe I would allow for one song from TBF to be the bonus track. If so, I would love to hear "I Can See It In Your Eyes". Heck, maybe even have Steve re-record that one. I could hear him doing it.

Ahhh come on man! You wouldn't include our only grammy nominated song in our catalog, When You Love A Woman? I realize TBF was probably one of the weakest albums in the Perryera Journey catalog, but it wasn't that bad.

[jrnyman28]

It actually has little to do with the "quality" of TBF. I figured I would speak up against mixing Perry-era Journey with Augeri-era Journey, that's all. I figured ICSIIYE could be sort of an exception since it did not appear on the US release of TBF. Someone said that was because Sony didn't want it, but I wouldn't be surprised if Perry wasn't fond of the song because it does not showcase his strengths. I guess I should not jump to that conclusion though. But, the more I think about it, the more I really like the idea of Steve re-recording this song.

Furthermore, I love "Arrival" but skip 4 songs. I love "RED13" as it is. And I would probably only remove 2 or 3 songs from "Generations". That would still leave too many songs for this topic without TBF.

[Greg]

I understand what you are saying - I'm posing this question under the assumption that if all of these songs were released on one album, they would all be mixed at the same levels and quality. That part's a given. I'm just thinking more in terms of the song itself - set aside the production quality. That's why I picked a few from TBF.....but picked as many rockers from the other albums as possible!

[The_Noble_Cause]

Good idea for a post, Greggie.
These are the 12 tracks I would include (though not necessaily in this specific order)

1. Higher Place
2. World Gone Wild
3. I Got a Reason
4. Message of Love
5. The Time
6. Faith in the Heartland
7. The Place in Your Heart
8. Signs of Life
9. It's Just the Rain
10. To be Alive Again
11. Walking Away from the Edge
12. One More
* Bonus Track - Remember Me

[heardonthestreet]

I fail to see the logic in mixing TBF in with all the duds?

[The_Noble_Cause]

I fail to see the logic in mixing TBF in with all the duds?

Then stay the hell out of this thread if you're not remotely interesting in contributing to it.
Some of us actually want to *discuss* varying aspects of the band.
Every post you've made so far tonite has been vapid instigatory garbage.
In fact, one post (directed towards NIG) conisisted of nothing but patronizing laughing smilies like this one,
Post something of substance or don't post.

[heardonthestreet]

That's all Nig's post deserved, as does yours.

Just answer the question. Why mix the songs of an accredited album with three that never got off the ground?

[NealIsGod]

That's all Nig's post deserved, as does yours.

Just answer the question. Why mix the songs of an accredited album with three that never got off the ground?

Because songs off of Arrival and Generations blow away anything off of TBF, with the possible exception of MOL.

Face it, HOTS, you are not a rocker. Generations is too much for you to handle.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Just answer the question. Why mix the songs of an accredited album with three that never got off the ground?

Since when must music mandatorily breach a level of mainstream popularity in order for it to pass as good music? If you ever finished grade school, you'd recall Mozart died an anonymous pauper buried in an unmarked grave.

Nobody in this thread is concerned with debating vanity issues such as record sales. We are here to discuss the music and only the music.
If that's an insurmountable hurdle for you, then why did you enter this thread to begin with?

[jrnyman28]

I started thinking about it, and there is no real reason why these cds could nOT be mixed. Many groups have released GH packages featuring different hits, from different vocalists, at different times. Toto, Chicago, VH, etc...no reason why different eras cannot be included. After all...the name is JOURNEY!

[TxStorm]

* Bonus Track - Remember Me

I agree! This gem must also be considered.

[The_Noble_Cause]

* Bonus Track - Remember Me

I agree! This gem must also be considered.

Yep. Fantastic Stuff. Another Blades/Schon melodic masterpiece.

[Greg]

I started thinking about it, and there is no real reason why these cds could nOT be mixed. Many groups have released GH packages featuring different hits, from different vocalists, at different times. Toto, Chicago, VH, etc...no reason why different eras cannot be included. After all...the name is JOURNEY!

Exactly! I was thinking more about a "best of" album featuring stuff from the reunion up to Generations. After all, we have at least two or three GHs albums/boxsets of earlier stuff.

[ohsherrie]

Exactly! I was thinking more about a "best of" album featuring stuff from the reunion up to Generations. After all, we have at least two or three GHs albums/boxsets of earlier stuff.

I can't imagine this ever happening. Not in Steve's lifetime anyway. I personally wouldn't it want it to. If you think about it, it would only serve to emphacize that the only songs recognizable to the general Journey fanbase were done by Steve Perry. That wouldn't bother those of you who have followed the band for the last 8 yrs because you know and like the new stuff. However, the majority of the people who would buy this for the same reasons they bought the GH cd and DVD, and will buy the Houstion DVD, but don't follow what the band does now, would probably be disappointed. It just wouldn't mean that much to them because they were fans of Perry/Journey and whether you think it's right or not, he means Journey to them. I don't mean that to be a statement on the quality of the current band, just a statement based on what the sales of GH stuff as opposed to new stuff seem to indicate.

[The_Noble_Cause]

I can't imagine this ever happening. Not in Steve's lifetime anyway. I personally wouldn't it want it to.

Too bad it already exists. It's called "Journey: The Ballads" and it is a Japanese import featuring Perry material and two Augeri-era tracks, as well.

[NoMoreTails]

However, the majority of the people who would buy this for the same reasons they bought the GH cd and DVD, and will buy the Houstion DVD, but don't follow what the band does now, would probably be disappointed. It just wouldn't mean that much to them because they were fans of Perry/Journey and whether you think it's right or not, he means Journey to them. I don't mean that to be a statement on the quality of the current band, just a statement based on what the sales of GH stuff as opposed to new stuff seem to indicate.

I have to disagree here, the majority of these buyers are fans of JOURNEY/JOURNEY, "he" means Journey only to a portion of the buyers. The majority are looking for the songs they recognize, not for Perry's name on the product. If he meant Journey to a majority of the public, Journey would not be selling the number of tickets and playing the size venues they play.

[Red13JoePa]

Remeber Me
Higher Place
The Place In Your Heart
The Time
State Of Grace
Believe
All The Things
We Will Meet Again
Living To Do
Nothing Comes Close
Faith In The Heartland
Every Generation

[jrnyman28]

I can't imagine this ever happening. Not in Steve's lifetime anyway. I personally wouldn't it want it to.

Too bad it already exists. It's called "Journey: The Ballads" and it is a Japanese import featuring Perry material and two Augeri-era tracks, as well.

Actually, it is the Japan Import "The Journey Continues". And when I first heard about it I thought it was very cool. It wasn't until recently that I decided it shouldn't happen...and then rethinking it last night I saw that it truly could happen because the name is JOURNEY!!

[heardonthestreet]

That's all Nig's post deserved, as does yours.

Just answer the question. Why mix the songs of an accredited album with three that never got off the ground?

Because songs off of Arrival and Generations blow away anything off of TBF, with the possible exception of MOL.

Face it, HOTS, you are not a rocker. Generations is too much for you to handle.

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Can't you read, Nig?
Under my avatar, it says "Rocker."

[heardonthestreet]

I can't imagine this ever happening. Not in Steve's lifetime anyway. I personally wouldn't it want it to.

Too bad it already exists. It's called "Journey: The Ballads" and it is a Japanese import featuring Perry material and two Augeri-era tracks, as well.

Actually, it is the Japan Import "The Journey Continues". And when I first heard about it I thought it was very cool. It wasn't until recently that I decided it shouldn't happen...and then rethinking it last night I saw that it truly could happen because the name is JOURNEY!!

........................................
Flip Flopping are we, Dave?

[jrnyman28]

Maybe so HOTS. Or maybe I thought I would play Devil's Advocate for a while...beating you to the punch as it were...

Fact is, I always wanted to get The Journey Continues because it has songs from both Perry and Steve. When this thread started, I thought it was going to get a LOT of posts about how it is wrong to mix the eras and I could understand that. Then I thought about it and I remembered that this is JOURNEY...all of it is Journey.

[ohsherrie]

I have to disagree here, the majority of these buyers are fans of JOURNEY/JOURNEY, "he" means Journey only to a portion of the buyers. The majority are looking for the songs they recognize, not for Perry's name on the product. If he meant Journey to a majority of the public, Journey would not be selling the number of tickets and playing the size venues they play.

If that were the case NMT wouldn't those people be buying the new stuff as well as the classic stuff that's been rereleased? What I was saying is that the people who are buying the rereleases of old material rather than the new wouldn't be happy with a mixture. They are showing an overwhelming preference for the Perry/Journey material. I'm saying the majority of the general public that is interested in Journey is associating that name with Steve Perry. We talked about that being a fact of the band's life in the thread about the Houston DVD. It can't be true in one instance and not in another. It's the classic material that's selling the tickets because the audience hasn't gotten into the new stuff. All those people that are buying all those tickets evidently aren't buying the new material or they would have sold a lot better than they have. It only logically follows then that if a mixture of the last three Journey albums were to sell any better it would only be because of the inclusion of some of the TBF material (WYLAW, MOL) that they recognize as being sung by Steve Perry, and I'm not sure that would be enough to make it more than just a novelty type thing. It's not likely that they're going to be anymore interested in the newer stuff than they are now. Some of it might grow on some people as they listen and that might create a little more interest, but then that could be seen as another case of using the Perry name and voice to promote the new material. That's not going to happen. You see what I mean?

I'm sorry for not posting a track list, but I really can't do that. I just got caught up in the side discussion that was going on in the thread.

[Eric]

Here's mine...but as long as the quality is good I like 15 tracks:

1) Higher Place
2) Remember Me
3) Faith in the Heartland
4) Place in Your Heart
5) Livin to Do
6) I Gotta Reason
7) Nothin Comes Close
I Can Breathe
9) Kiss Me Softly
10) Out of Harms Way
11) World Gone Wild
12) Never too Late
13) Signs of Life
14) To be Alive Again
15) Beyond the Clouds

[PROPERRY]

That's all Nig's post deserved, as does yours.

Just answer the question. Why mix the songs of an accredited album with three that never got off the ground?

Because songs off of Arrival and Generations blow away anything off of TBF, with the possible exception of MOL.

Face it, HOTS, you are not a rocker. Generations is too much for you to handle.

If you really feel that the songs off of Arrival, & Generations blow away anything off of TBF, then why would you want to mix TBF with Arrival & generations together??? I would think if you feel that way about TBF, You would feel the opposite, you would NOT want the music mixed together on a cd.

Personally I love TBF! As a fan, I wouldn't be interested in a CD or DVD that mixes music of Perry's with "today's Journey". I just like my Journey with Perry! I bet there are many others out there that feel that way too.

Besides I don't get all the talk of mixing Perry's music with the Augeri era considering all the complaining that goes on about Perry here, & all the controversy of WHO is the "better singer between Perry & Augeri" would become a "bigger issue" than what it is already.

Lori

[Red13JoePa]

Many others like me like our Journey as Journey IS with Augeri, Cain, Castronovo, Schon and Valory.
This is my favorite lineup. And the lynchpins of the band remain.

[Greg]

Keep in mind guys, this wouldn't necessarily be a greatest hits record per sae, but it would be assumed that this is the first full album that Journey decided to put out......basically with the knowledge that the last studio album released would have been 1986's ROR album. Let's assume that none of these albums, TBF, Arrival, and Generations were released. The only thing that fans would know about the album is that there would be Perry led stuff on the album and tracks with a new lead singer (Augeri.)

Knowing that the band was moving into a new direction, the band would want to have hit songs from Perry - for the commerical aspect of it (let's face it, the record company loved the fact that Journey reformed with Perry,) but it also wants to put its best foot forward and release the best tracks from the new line-up, so that fans (casual and hardcore) who buy the album gets the best of both worlds. I realize there would be alot of political mumbo jumbo behind all of this...this is why this is just for pretend sake. Just for sake of argument - if this actually happened, which 12 songs + bonus would go on this album! AND what would be a great title for the album?

[NealIsGod]

That's all Nig's post deserved, as does yours.

Just answer the question. Why mix the songs of an accredited album with three that never got off the ground?

Because songs off of Arrival and Generations blow away anything off of TBF, with the possible exception of MOL.

Face it, HOTS, you are not a rocker. Generations is too much for you to handle.

If you really feel that the songs off of Arrival, & Generations blow away anything off of TBF, then why would you want to mix TBF with Arrival & generations together??? I would think if you feel that way about TBF, You would feel the opposite, you would NOT want the music mixed together on a cd.

I don't want them mixed. I like them separate. I was just stating that TBF is inferior.

[NoMoreTails]

I have to disagree here, the majority of these buyers are fans of JOURNEY/JOURNEY, "he" means Journey only to a portion of the buyers. The majority are looking for the songs they recognize, not for Perry's name on the product. If he meant Journey to a majority of the public, Journey would not be selling the number of tickets and playing the size venues they play..

If that were the case NMT wouldn't those people be buying the new stuff as well as the classic stuff that's been rereleased?.... They are showing an overwhelming preference for the Perry/Journey material. I'm saying the majority of the general public that is interested in Journey is associating that name with Steve Perry..

Its my opinion that it is the songs people recognize that sells the old stuff rather than Perry's name or likeness being attached to them. I was under the impression that the 2001 DVD, containing the hits but no Perry, did pretty well for a DVD.

I'm saying the majority of the general public that is interested in Journey is associating that name with Steve Perry.
We talked about that being a fact of the band's life in the thread about the Houston DVD. It can't be true in one instance and not in another...

I don't believe the majority are giving any thought at all to Steve Perry, nor did I agree to that in another thread, you must be thinking of someone else. I recall discussing Perry's thinking he is Journey--the "integrity" thing--but not the public thinking he is Journey. I would agree that some are looking specifically for Perry, just as I would buy something because Neal is on it. But not the majority, they are looking for Journey's Greatest Hits, etc, not for something Journey with Steve Perry's name and picture on it.

It's the classic material that's selling the tickets because the audience hasn't gotten into the new stuff. ..

I haven't disagreed with that. As I posted before, The majority are looking for the songs they recognize, not for Perry's name on the product. However, most keep coming back and crowds keep growing, if Journey w/Augeri didn't impress the audience, this would not be the case.

... but then that could be seen as another case of using the Perry name and voice to promote the new material. That's not going to happen. You see what I mean?..

Finally, I never said that I thought a compilation from TBF to present should be done, would sell well, nor that I would be interested in one. I have no desire to buy yet another rehashed Sony compilation of (or including)Perry-era Journey material. And the compilation that I'd make for myself covering the post Greatest Hits years would not include any TBF songs.