No Journey in the Hall of Fame!!!

[Rockindeano]

Don't be such a cry baby, Dave. I was using you as an example of how intelligent people make mistakes in reference to Deano's slam at JT.

That was one time, and he did try to make up a new word..he deserved it, and I am not withdrawing it.

[jrnyman28]

Don't be such a cry baby, Dave. I was using you as an example of how intelligent people make mistakes in reference to Deano's slam at JT.

I am not a crybaby, and I let it go completely...until you tried to play the victim yet again.

Did you mean that I post no "smackdowns" against Perry, only positive posts about Journey?

I mean that you talk about being here to "praise Perry" but you NEVER do. You take cheap shots at the Journey FANS, and at Journey...with no support to your 'opinions'.

The "crap" that I write is for the most part true and this is what bothers you, right?

Right or wrong does not bother me at all. The fact is it is all subjective and opinion so there is neither right nor wrong most times. What "bothers" me (like that fly that keeps buzzing my ear when I am trying to go to sleep at night) is the reason behind your posts. As I clearly said, you post this 'crap' purely to instigate a reaction.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Don't be such a cry baby, Dave.

Look who's fucking talking.
Aren't you the one whose overly sensitive feelings prompted them to write (and I quote):

Heck, Dave. Was that nice? What did I ever do to you?

Take some of your own damn medicine for once, or at the very least try to keep track of your own damn arguments.
Fool.

[heardonthestreet]

Now you too,, Noble? What did I ever do to you? Sob!

[JohnH]

The medications Gramm is or was taking after his brain tumour operation caused him to gain weight. He isn't the same after his problem and one of the casualties was his voice. I've seen reports of him on good nights, although the night I saw in 2000 wasn't one of them. Jeez pretty nasty to say he sucks....when it's not his fault.

John

[Red13JoePa]

Well I was talking about all those guys in their primes. Lou is on constant steroids due to the tumor and it's side effects. The roids make his singing voice deeper, but I still like it. I have their 25th anniv dvd and the band is fabulous.

[jrnyman28]

I saw Foreigner with Journey in 1999, shortly after his operation, and he did a bang-up job. I gave him a little 'lee-way' because of all he had been through, but I was impressed at the job he did.

I remember that Neal was still in his 'attack Perry' mode in interviews and one of the things he said was 'if Lou can hit the road after having a brain tumor removed, you would think Perry could tour after a hip'. At the time that bothered me a little, after seeing the show I sort of agreed. Of course I did not know anything about Perry's 'injury' at the time but I think that is when I formed the opinion that Perry could have toured while sitting on a bar stool and I (along with almost all of Journey fan-dom) would have been happy.

[NoMoreTails]

I never felt it was attack Perry, I thought they held their real thoughts back too much. Of course they had to walk a fine line with their comments.

[jrnyman28]

I never felt it was attack Perry, I thought they held their real thoughts back too much. Of course they had to walk a fine line with their comments.

Later the guys definately held back...but at that time, in the radio interview I heard Neal was pretty upset/frustrated still. He was not tearing into Perry, and he was not mean. But he was obviously 'fired up' about the issue.

[PROPERRY]

The way I see it, I think it is "very unfair" to make comparisons about one person's medical problems to another persons medical problem.

Lou Gram & Perry's medical problems were totally different, therefore called for "different treatments", so what would work for one may not work for the other, as far as touring goes.

I'm just making a wild guess here, NOT claiming to know Perry's situation, but it is possible sitting on a bar stool with a hip problem to perform night after night, & traveling on a bus, or traveling on a plane for long hours may NOT have been the best treatment plan for Perry's medical condition.

As for Neal's frustration in making that particular comment towards Perry IMP it showed that Neal lacked empathy & compassion for what his fellow bandmate was going through at the time.

Lori

[jrnyman28]

I understand the differences Lori, really I do. And I admit that I never gave the travelling in a bus much thought. But in general, I think it is fair to say that Lou went through a MUCH more dangerous, difficult, scary procedure and illness/injury than Perry did. You are right that there is no comparison to the two, the only valid point to me (at that time) was that Lou's was far more severe and HE was touring, why couldn't Perry. Let me re-iterate, that was how I felt then...without all the facts (which we still don't have, but we have more info now than then), without giving it real thought (this was reactive opinion), without hearing other thoughts on the subject. I still think there was more to it than just the injury/illness. I am, in no way saying Perry was not injured/ill...just that there might be more to it. And THAT may have influenced Neal's reactions. But there is no way to know, so why go into it.

[ohsherrie]

I'm just making a wild guess here, NOT claiming to know Perry's situation, but it is possible sitting on a bar stool with a hip problem to perform night after night, & traveling on a bus, or traveling on a plane for long hours may NOT have been the best treatment plan for Perry's medical condition.

That's exactly right Lori. Even though a brain tumor is a more life threatening illness than a deteriorated hip, the recovery and recouperation time may not be as physically painful. I would think it would depend on the individual case in question. We don't know the details of either of these cases.

[The_Noble_Cause]

I am, in no way saying Perry was not injured/ill....

Why not?
If Neal, Jon, Ross and Herbie all can say it, why can't you?
Their word (along with Perry's own track record of indolent behavior) is more then sufficient for me.

[jrnyman28]

I am, in no way saying Perry was not injured/ill....

Why not?
If Neal, Jon, Ross and Herbie all can say it, why can't you?
Their word (along with Perry's own track record of indolent behavior) is more then sufficient for me.

I do believe they have all hinted that there might be something else to it...only Neal has come out and actually said that it might not have been accurate. But even then, Neal said he didn't know. None of them have actually said Perry was NOT injured or ill...

Besides, that was not the point of my post. So I was not trying to start that discussion up.

[NoMoreTails]

As for Neal's frustration in making that particular comment towards Perry IMP it showed that Neal lacked empathy & compassion for what his fellow bandmate was going through at the time.

Lori

Or that he doubted Perry's hip thing was as severe as Perry wanted everyone to believe.

[perryfaithful]

I am, in no way saying Perry was not injured/ill....

Why not?
If Neal, Jon, Ross and Herbie all can say it, why can't you?
Their word (along with Perry's own track record of indolent behavior) is more then sufficient for me.

Their WORD?? HUH? They have all said in this years round of interviews that Perry had health problems. Going back...Perry interviewed on the radio after hip surgery talking about having ID to go thru metal detectors at the airport with his hip replacement....and getting used to crutches and so on. Can't imagine making that up.

Now.....are there more issues than the health? I sure sense there were.,...but as others have said, we really do not know the whole story. But questioning the health part is down right LOW LIFE Mr TNC!

[perryfaithful]

As for Neal's frustration in making that particular comment towards Perry IMP it showed that Neal lacked empathy & compassion for what his fellow bandmate was going through at the time.

Lori

Or that he doubted Perry's hip thing was as severe as Perry wanted everyone to believe.

A hip replacement is a hip replacement

[NoMoreTails]

A hip replacement is a hip replacement

I don't want to argue whether he really had a hip replacement or not, or how severe his injury really was, I'm just saying that there has been plenty to shed doubt on his story. From comments from band members and Herbie to stories we've heard of him running through a studio sometime post TBF and dancing through a video filmed after the injury. Monker or someone can possibly give more details on these incidents which I've seen mentioned before.
At the very least, if you need a hip replacement, how much more pain are you going to cause yourself to endure by waiting 2-3 years, whatever, to have it done... He wouldn't even sit on a stool long enough to sing on a Tonight Show, etc, to promote a Grammy nominated song, it makes me think perhaps his voice was in worse shape than his hip.

[SuiteMadameBlue]

Mick Mars (Motley Crue) had hip replacement and also suffers from chronic degenerative illness called ankylosing spondylitis. I'm pretty sure this is worse then Steve Perry's hip, or that the public knows of.

Mick still goes out and tours with Motley Crue.

I personally don't think it has anything to do with his hip on touring, performing or making any public appearances. That's just my opinion. Sometimes people in the entertainment industry (or any other type of job) just get burned out and want to stay out of the public eye. I know it's disappointing for fans, but sometimes we just have to accept it and move on. You never know, he may make another appearance or help out on another cd.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Their WORD?? HUH?

Wow. Someone has finally located their 'caps lock' key.
Boy, I'm intimidated now.

They have all said in this years round of interviews that Perry had health problems.

Yeah, they are being polite. Perry made them sign gag orders, remember?
As Neal said earlier this year when asked by SF Weekly to expound on the hip ordeal; "...I can't really get into why. I've got like ... you know, everybody signed papers years ago with [Perry]. Like, gag orders."

Time and time again the band has expressed their true feelings that the hip thing was fabricated. You just have willfully been keeping yourself comatose to an incontrovertible truth.

Going back...Perry interviewed on the radio after hip surgery talking about having ID to go thru metal detectors at the airport with his hip replacement....and getting used to crutches and so on. Can't imagine making that up.

Wow. How convenient that you forget to mention that after TBF was released Perry said in a radio interview, WHEN ASKED SPECIFICALY about the Hawaii incident, that he was 'fine'. On Surivor's official website, Jim Peterik said he was recording with Surivivor and Perry burst into his studio like a bat out of hell. When fans asked repeatedly about Perry's hip, he didn't even know he was injured.

But questioning the health part is down right LOW LIFE Mr TNC!

More 'Caps Lock' intimidation ploys.
Keep it up.
It really lends your insipid drivel an aura of gravitas that it most certainly wouldn't have without.

[NealIsGod]

Mick Mars (Motley Crue) had hip replacement and also suffers from chronic degenerative illness called ankylosing spondylitis. I'm pretty sure this is worse then Steve Perry's hip, or that the public knows of.

Mick still goes out and tours with Motley Crue.

I personally don't think it has anything to do with his hip on touring, performing or making any public appearances. That's just my opinion. Sometimes people in the entertainment industry (or any other type of job) just get burned out and want to stay out of the public eye. I know it's disappointing for fans, but sometimes we just have to accept it and move on. You never know, he may make another appearance or help out on another cd.

Well said. Perry seems very private, and must not need fame or attention, which is good. He will record another CD someday, and I am thinking something along the lines of covers of songs that influenced him. I don't see him writing and recording new music ever again. JMHO.

[The_Noble_Cause]

A hip replacement is a hip replacement

And a Perry zealot willfully blind and braindead to the truth, is a Perry zealot blind and braindead to the truth.

[heardonthestreet]

Just to clear all this up, I have to explain that I was one of Perry's nurses at the time. He insisted on being stitched up leaving a scar in the shape of an eight note. So now you know.

[Rockindeano]

A hip replacement is a hip replacement

And spraying perfume on a pile of shit does not make it a flower.


I just don't take the perry injury serious anymore..Who gives a crap.

[ohsherrie]

And a Perry zealot willfully blind and braindead to the truth, is a Perry zealot blind and braindead to the truth.

The TRUTH on this subject is something noone on this board knows and not all the zealots are of the Perry persuasion.

The man had health issues, you have to acknowledge that unless you want to call Jon and Smitty liars too. It would appear that Steve didn't feel as driven to perform through his discomfort as Lou Grahm or that Motley Crue guy. That's OK, it's his life. HIS LIFE, not ours and not Journey's, to live as is right for him.

(see TNC, I found all kinds of keys and buttons )

[perryfaithful]

No one can really feel another's pain

[The_Noble_Cause]

A hip replacement is a hip replacement

And spraying perfume on a pile of shit does not make it a flower.


I just don't take the perry injury serious anymore..Who gives a crap.

LOL

[Rockindeano]

No one can really feel another's pain

Bill Clinton did.. At least he told me he did.

[NealIsGod]

No one can really feel another's pain

Bill Clinton did.. At least he told me he did.

Slick Willy felt a lot of things...

[Rockindeano]

No one can really feel another's pain

Bill Clinton did.. At least he told me he did.

Slick Willy felt a lot of things...

Jealous?