No Journey in the Hall of Fame!!!

[NealIsGod]

Jealous?

Not of the ones we know he was with! He and I don't have the same taste in the ladies...

[Rockindeano]

Jealous?

Not of the ones we know he was with! He and I don't have the same taste in the ladies...

He was caught with that one..Hey leader of the free world has carte blanche with regards to any hot chick he wants..I'm sure he had more...

[amaron]

Just to clear all this up, I have to explain that I was one of Perry's nurses at the time. He insisted on being stitched up leaving a scar in the shape of an eight note. So now you know.

Did you make sure to tie his arms up so he couldn't hit that note either?

[ohsherrie]

No one can really feel another's pain

Bill Clinton did.. At least he told me he did.

Slick Willy felt a lot of things...

No, I won't reply, won't reply, not going to say it, sitting on my hands now, as soon as I hit the send button.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Clinton sucks.
A republican in democrat's clothing.
If his wife runs in '08, then I am prolly gonna have to vote green.

[Rockindeano]

Clinton sucks.
A republican in democrat's clothing.
If his wife runs in '08, then I am prolly gonna have to vote green.

If you really want to throw your vote away, go for it. I would take a bad Dem over a sleazy, incompetent, corrupt republican.

[OpeningAct]

Clinton sucks.
A republican in democrat's clothing.
If his wife runs in '08, then I am prolly gonna have to vote green.

If you really want to throw your vote away, go for it. I would take a bad Dem over a sleazy, incompetent, corrupt republican.

Who are you referring to, Cinton was a democrat....

[PROPERRY]

And a Perry zealot willfully blind and braindead to the truth, is a Perry zealot blind and braindead to the truth.

The TRUTH on this subject is something noone on this board knows and not all the zealots are of the Perry persuasion.

The man had health issues, you have to acknowledge that unless you want to call Jon and Smitty liars too. It would appear that Steve didn't feel as driven to perform through his discomfort as Lou Grahm or that Motley Crue guy. That's OK, it's his life. HIS LIFE, not ours and not Journey's, to live as is right for him.

(see TNC, I found all kinds of keys and buttons )

"That's OK, it's his life. HIS LIFE, not ours and not Journey's, to live as is right for him".


Exactly ohsherrie! Perry did what was RIGHT FOR HIM!!!

Lori

[yak]

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[jrnyman28]

"That's OK, it's his life. HIS LIFE, not ours and not Journey's, to live as is right for him".


Exactly ohsherrie! Perry did what was RIGHT FOR HIM!!!

Lori

Except he tried to hold Neal and Jon off while doing it.
There were more people to consider than just himself...

[NoMoreTails]

Yeah, Perry did what was right for him.
Journey is doing what is RIGHT FOR THEM.
So why do Perry-heads have any more right to question what Neal, Jon, and Ross do than I have to question what Perry does?
They have every right to do what they are doing, legal and otherwise, Guess what? He agreed.

[PROPERRY]

"That's OK, it's his life. HIS LIFE, not ours and not Journey's, to live as is right for him".


Exactly ohsherrie! Perry did what was RIGHT FOR HIM!!!

Lori

Except he tried to hold Neal and Jon off while doing it.
There were more people to consider than just himself...

Jrnyman,

Whenever ANYONE has a serious health problem, a person ultimately still HAS to do what is in the "best interest of their own health", even when it involves others. He HAD to put his HEALTH FIRST for his own well being.

Lori

[ohsherrie]

Whenever ANYONE has a serious health problem, a person ultimately still HAS to do what is in the "best interest of their own health", even when it involves others. He HAD to put his HEALTH FIRST for his own well being.

Lori

I know that Lori and so do all of his fans, but it's best to just let it go. There's no way to win because none of us really knows what happened. As long as there's any room for doubt and conjecture it's just a losing battle. We know what we feel is right and they have their interpretation of things. There's noone here to tell us what the real story is, so we'd just be arguing unto oblivion.

[perryfaithful]

I know that Lori and so do all of his fans, but it's best to just let it go. There's no way to win because none of us really knows what happened. As long as there's any room for doubt and conjecture it's just a losing battle. We know what we feel is right and they have their interpretation of things. There's noone here to tell us what the real story is, so we'd just be arguing unto oblivion.

ahh....who is the good looking guy??

[yak]

At the very least, if you need a hip replacement, how much more pain are you going to cause yourself to endure by waiting 2-3 years, whatever, to have it done...

If your are told you need hip surgery, the present problem already has to be pretty severe. Waiting around 2 to 3 years more would be unbearable, not to mention unwise, and would cause excruciating pain, not to mention more damage. It's inconceivable that somebody could wait that long for treatment; there obviously is more to the story than what's been told. There's some reason why the guys are gagged from talking about it.

So nobody wants to deal in facts, eh?

If Mick Mars can go out and do what he's doing.....anybody can. That guy is an inspiration to anybody who wants to say "I can't."

[perryfaithful]

At the very least, if you need a hip replacement, how much more pain are you going to cause yourself to endure by waiting 2-3 years, whatever, to have it done...

If your are told you need hip surgery, the present problem already has to be pretty severe. Waiting around 2 to 3 years more would be unbearable, not to mention unwise, and would cause excruciating pain, not to mention more damage. It's inconceivable that somebody could wait that long for treatment; there obviously is more to the story than what's been told. There's some reason why the guys are gagged from talking about it.

So nobody wants to deal in facts, eh?

If Mick Mars can go out and do what he's doing.....anybody can. That guy is an inspiration to anybody who wants to say "I can't."

Excuse me? Where are your FACTS? I just see speculation/your spin on the situation. How you would react? Everyone is different. Fear of surgery keeps many from going under the knife. I am from the medical field and know that I would agonize (and have) over surgery based on the horrible anesthesia accidents I have seen alone. Who knows

But as far as the gag order? I never got the impression that had to do with medical issues....something else

[yak]

If your are told you need hip surgery, the present problem already has to be pretty severe. Waiting around 2 to 3 years more would be unbearable, not to mention unwise, and would cause excruciating pain, not to mention more damage. It's inconceivable that somebody could wait that long for treatment; there obviously is more to the story than what's been told. There's some reason why the guys are gagged from talking about it.

Excuse me? Where are your FACTS? I just see speculation/your spin on the situation. How you would react? Everyone is different. Fear of surgery keeps many from going under the knife. I am from the medical field and know that I would agonize (and have) over surgery based on the horrible anesthesia accidents I have seen alone. Who knows

But as far as the gag order? I never got the impression that had to do with medical issues....something else

The fact of the matter, missy, is that this kind of problem doesn't go away by itself, just by leaving it alone for three years. It deteriorates.


My information comes from my knowledge in the medical field. So now you dabble in the field of medicine? My ass.

I stand by my statement

If Perry had this problem, and he hasn't taken care of it, he wouldn't be walking around freely right now. Like he was at the WOF.

As for the gag order, it would be the perfect reason for one. If keeping Perry from being outed for such a big lie isn't reason enough for a gag order, then what is?

Seriously, now, do you know how much of an insolent dolt you sound like right now? And I'm NOT the one who comes here to spin. Grow the hell up, will you?

[The_Noble_Cause]

If Mick Mars can go out and do what he's doing.....anybody can. That guy is an inspiration to anybody who wants to say "I can't."

I totally agree. You see that Motely Crue VH1 reunion special? Even Tommy Lee was scared shitless by how bad Mars looks.
Still, Mars prevails. Each nite he goes out and plays his ass off.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Jrnyman,

Whenever ANYONE has a serious health problem, a person ultimately still HAS to do what is in the "best interest of their own health", even when it involves others. He HAD to put his HEALTH FIRST for his own well being.

Lori

Typical daft post by Lori.
Steve kept his bandmates in the dark waiting.
Never clued them in whatsoever.
Contentedly kept their livelihoods in purgatory.
That's not justifiable no matter what.
Sorry.

[perryfaithful]

So after 5 frickin' pages, WHY ISN'T JOURNeY IN THE FALL OF FAME?????

[NealIsGod]

So after 5 frickin' pages, WHY ISN'T JOURNeY IN THE FALL OF FAME?????

Maybe it's because Perry's voice was too polarizing - either you love it or hate it.

[jrnyman28]

So after 5 frickin' pages, WHY ISN'T JOURNeY IN THE FALL OF FAME?????

Maybe it's because Perry's voice was too polarizing - either you love it or hate it.

Maybe it is because the commercial nature of Perry's music (as he took more and more control) continued to lose credibility among the music industry?

[sadie65]

So after 5 frickin' pages, WHY ISN'T JOURNeY IN THE FALL OF FAME?????

Maybe it's because Perry's voice was too polarizing - either you love it or hate it.

Maybe it is because the commercial nature of Perry's music (as he took more and more control) continued to lose credibility among the music industry?

Maybe it has to do with the genre of music they are most associated with. While popular with the fans, that whole genre of "arena rock" "corporate rock", etc. has never gotten the elitist critical recognition. It's doubtful they will until the Jan Wenners of the world are long gone.

[Rockindeano]

So after 5 frickin' pages, WHY ISN'T JOURNeY IN THE FALL OF FAME?????

Maybe it's because Perry's voice was too polarizing - either you love it or hate it.

No way, NIGGY. Even Metal heads, respect the voice, even though they say he was effeminate.

[perryfaithful]

even though they say he was effeminate.

You just met him recently...so what do you say?

[Rockindeano]

Maybe it is because the commercial nature of Perry's music (as he took more and more control) continued to lose credibility among the music industry?

I don't get the whole commercial success being a bad thing argument. Bono is a sellout 5 times more than Journey or Perry were...

[sadie65]

Maybe it is because the commercial nature of Perry's music (as he took more and more control) continued to lose credibility among the music industry?

I don't get the whole commercial success being a bad thing argument. Bono is a sellout 5 times more than Journey or Perry were...

Neither do I. And until recently, none of the aforementioned bands in that category had "sold out" at all. It's the most laughable excuse, and yet....they all got tagged with it.

Nowadays, I don't blame any of them for taking corporate offers. At least it gives the music a shot at being heard.

[Rockindeano]

even though they say he was effeminate.

You just met him recently...so what do you say?

I say he is a "regular" guy. I never questioned his masculinity.

[jrnyman28]

even though they say he was effeminate.

You just met him recently...so what do you say?

He used to be VERY effeminate. In fact, his image and voice were often referred to as androgynous. Thank god he "grew out of it"!

[jrnyman28]

Maybe it is because the commercial nature of Perry's music (as he took more and more control) continued to lose credibility among the music industry?

I don't get the whole commercial success being a bad thing argument. Bono is a sellout 5 times more than Journey or Perry were...

Neither do I. And until recently, none of the aforementioned bands in that category had "sold out" at all. It's the most laughable excuse, and yet....they all got tagged with it.

Nowadays, I don't blame any of them for taking corporate offers. At least it gives the music a shot at being heard.

It was meant more or less sarcastically. However, I do feel that the direction Journey took with their music probably did hurt their credibility. Once Open Arms hit, Journey truly became known as a ballad band. They obviously were more than just ballads, but the public perception was of balladry. That perception (maybe one of completely selling-out FIRST) may have hindered their chances.

I still maintain that another 'arena rock band' will have to get inducted and 'open the floodgates' before journey make it in. Van Halen would probably be my guess...