No Journey in the Hall of Fame!!!

[ohsherrie]

ahh....who is the good looking guy??

[yak]

If Mick Mars can go out and do what he's doing.....anybody can. That guy is an inspiration to anybody who wants to say "I can't."

I totally agree. You see that Motely Crue VH1 reunion special? Even Tommy Lee was scared shitless by how bad Mars looks.
Still, Mars prevails. Each nite he goes out and plays his ass off.

Yes, I saw it Noble Cause. You're right about Tommy being scared; Mick is A-one in my book for attempting the near impossible and succeeding. An inspiration indeed, to everybody.

[ohsherrie]

So after 5 frickin' pages, WHY ISN'T JOURNeY IN THE FALL OF FAME?????

GOLDURNIT PF, I dunno, maybe they ain't alettin' them'uns with a bogus hipbone in that thar place. (makes as much sense as anything those'uns have said)

[yak]

[Monker]

So after 5 frickin' pages, WHY ISN'T JOURNeY IN THE FALL OF FAME?????

Because Journey doesn't have the political clout to get them there.

Remember, they were first eligible in 1995 - when Steve Perry was still in the band, in the middle of the TBF reunion.

So, answer this... why wasn't Journey even nominated during TBF - while Perry was still in the band, had a grammy nomination and what 'appeared' to be a decent comeback album?

[Rockindeano]

So after 5 frickin' pages, WHY ISN'T JOURNeY IN THE FALL OF FAME?????

Because Journey doesn't have the political clout to get them there.

Remember, they were first eligible in 1995 - when Steve Perry was still in the band, in the middle of the TBF reunion.

So, answer this... why wasn't Journey even nominated during TBF - while Perry was still in the band, had a grammy nomination and what 'appeared' to be a decent comeback album?

Monker, you are one intelligent dude, and you know your stuff. However, isn't the wait, 25 years? That would push it back to 1998...when SP was long gone...

What Journey needs is ..ahem..

HERBIE HERBERT. That guy is the closest thing to God on earth. he would get them there.

[ohsherrie]

So after 5 frickin' pages, WHY ISN'T JOURNeY IN THE FALL OF FAME?????

Because Journey doesn't have the political clout to get them there.

Yeah, what he said.

[JohnH]

If Mick Mars can go out and do what he's doing.....anybody can. That guy is an inspiration to anybody who wants to say "I can't."

I totally agree. You see that Motely Crue VH1 reunion special? Even Tommy Lee was scared shitless by how bad Mars looks.
Still, Mars prevails. Each nite he goes out and plays his ass off.

; Mick is A-one in my book for attempting the near impossible and succeeding. An inspiration indeed, to everybody.

I have read that Mick is in a lot pain, but all he does is play guitar. It is still amazing that he is up there and yes he is A-One. But with Perry it's totally different. If your voice is not at the level it once was and you just can't pull off lengthy tours or any concerts at all at the standard you want to then that is another matter entirely. You can't just get up there and tough it out or fake it. Perry is just as big a hero for realizing he can't cut it and bowing out. Has to be one of the reasons.

John

[Red13JoePa]

Mick Mars has never been an animated stage mover to begin with (probably because of the disease all these years).
Still, I canNOT believe he has held up to the rigors of this tour. I mean it's been going clear since Feb, with 1 break in the middle and Feb was 3 months out of his hip replacement!!!! Unreal....it seems kind of bad that the powers that be and the band pushed Mars into this but the coin spoke and Mick answered the call I guess.....by the way he is a bad ass axe man.
I think Perry woulda been able to pull it off if the injury was in fact as serious as some say....but thank god he did flake, because we would not now have the band in it's current incarnation (my favorite) and Generations.

[OpeningAct]

If Mick Mars can go out and do what he's doing.....anybody can. That guy is an inspiration to anybody who wants to say "I can't."

I totally agree. You see that Motely Crue VH1 reunion special? Even Tommy Lee was scared shitless by how bad Mars looks.
Still, Mars prevails. Each nite he goes out and plays his ass off.

; Mick is A-one in my book for attempting the near impossible and succeeding. An inspiration indeed, to everybody.

I have read that Mick is in a lot pain, but all he does is play guitar. It is still amazing that he is up there and yes he is A-One. But with Perry it's totally different. If your voice is not at the level it once was and you just can't pull off lengthy tours or any concerts at all at the standard you want to then that is another matter entirely. You can't just get up there and tough it out or fake it. Perry is just as big a hero for realizing he can't cut it and bowing out. Has to be one of the reasons.

John

I agree. Nice post John. It's funny how some singers who don't have great singing voices at all, Tom Petty for example, will probably be able to sing forever...and put out great music as well.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Perry is just as big a hero for realizing he can't cut it and bowing out. Has to be one of the reasons.

Then he should've bowed out with grace and NOT led the guys on by making a reunion album and reneging on tour plans that he never truly had his heart set on to begin with.

[OpeningAct]

Perry is just as big a hero for realizing he can't cut it and bowing out. Has to be one of the reasons.

Then he should've bowed out with grace and NOT led the guys on by making a reunion album and reneging on tour plans that he never truly had his heart set on to begin with.

Let me play Devil's Advocate Noble....maybe that's a BIG regret he has now and if he had to do over, he'd do things differently...who knows.

[Red13JoePa]

Doubt it, OA.
He gave Cain the ultimatum, "You know there's no going back" once you replace me.
Jonathan didn't blink. the band picked up Augie and never looked back.

Besides, if you're perry why would you wanna do all the work of being in JRNY when every time you pop up you and the media will talk about JRNY posthumously as if YOU, Steve Perry are/were JRNY?

[The_Noble_Cause]

Perry is just as big a hero for realizing he can't cut it and bowing out. Has to be one of the reasons.

Then he should've bowed out with grace and NOT led the guys on by making a reunion album and reneging on tour plans that he never truly had his heart set on to begin with.

Let me play Devil's Advocate Noble....maybe that's a BIG regret he has now and if he had to do over, he'd do things differently...who knows.

Maybe?
But Perry was showing signs of indolence long before TBF.
Remember how Herbie said Perry needed to be coaxed into touring in support of Frontiers?
I really think Perry just did TBF to further cement his name in the annals of Journey history. He heard the rumblings of Chalfant replacing him, felt threatened and did the reunion album just so his name and Journeys' would be forever inextricably linked.

Not that the words Steve Perry and Journey weren't conflated already, however, by releasing TBF, it made Journey moving on (without Perry) all the more challenging.

[OpeningAct]

I have to admit I don't know NEARLY the background that you guys do on here regarding Perry leaving the band and the dynamics involved between the band members, management and others. But I REALLY didn't know he had to be coaxed for the Frontiers tour. That is just baffling to me.

[heardonthestreet]

You have to be man enough to give someone the benefit of the doubt, as everything you hear is stated to fit the individuals agenda, Opening Act.

Listen to your heart and recognize Classic Journey for it's greatness. Perry gets respect and adulation from his many fans and his peers so that should tell you that that he did something right, even if he had to stand alone at times.

Enter Violins!!!!!!!!!!!lol.

[The_Noble_Cause]

I have to admit I don't know NEARLY the background that you guys do on here regarding Perry leaving the band and the dynamics involved between the band members, management and others. But I REALLY didn't know he had to be coaxed for the Frontiers tour. That is just baffling to me.

It's in the notorious Herbie Herbert interview.
You have read that, right?

[OpeningAct]

I have to admit I don't know NEARLY the background that you guys do on here regarding Perry leaving the band and the dynamics involved between the band members, management and others. But I REALLY didn't know he had to be coaxed for the Frontiers tour. That is just baffling to me.

It's in the notorious Herbie Herbert interview.
You have read that, right?

Um, no.....(hangs his head in shame).

[The_Noble_Cause]

I have to admit I don't know NEARLY the background that you guys do on here regarding Perry leaving the band and the dynamics involved between the band members, management and others. But I REALLY didn't know he had to be coaxed for the Frontiers tour. That is just baffling to me.

It's in the notorious Herbie Herbert interview.
You have read that, right?

Um, no.....(hangs his head in shame).

Well you should.
Here's the link:
http://members.cox.net/mrcarty/

He bashes everybody.

[ohsherrie]

Does anyone seriously believe that's an unbiased interview, that HH had no agenda in all the crap he was spewing? Most of it sounds like the rantings of a bitter, angry man to me. It comes off sounding sort of like what the tabloids do. They take a possible iota of what may be someone's version of the truth and blow it all out of proportion for the sake of sensationalism.

[Red13JoePa]

Joe, read the Herbie interview. Like Cause said, it is a completely unadulterated BASH fest. Wether teh reader believes it all is another matter totally but you will not turn away until it's over.

[jrnyman28]

He may have had an agenda, he certainly seems bitter, but I don't think he is lying either. I don't think he would just make stuff up. And if he had, he surely would have been sued for 'defamation of character', slander or libel (I forget which one is appropriate).

[Red13JoePa]

He may have had an agenda, he certainly seems bitter, but I don't think he is lying either. I don't think he would just make stuff up. And if he had, he surely would have been sued for 'defamation of character', slander or libel (I forget which one is appropriate).

J28's last 2 sentances I tend to agree with. With the fire and brimstone coming out of his mouth in this thing....I can't believe the lawsuits weren't spewing forth from the voice's camp. Yet to thios day it seems to have slipped by completely unsued.

[ohsherrie]

I'm sure there was some sort of basis in truth to the things he said, I just think he intentionally made them sound a lot more dramatic and damaging than they were at the time they happened.

As for the suits, this interview was only a relatively obscure internet thing. If any one had sued though, it may have become mainstream media. They might have just chosen the lesser of two evils and let it go.

[Red13JoePa]

Agreed, Maybe Steve just opted to leave it alone....

[ohsherrie]

Agreed, Maybe Steve just opted to leave it alone....

He said some pretty unflattering things about everybody, but I wouldn't expect any of the other guys to make an issue of it, they may still need him at some time. Of course he was hardest on Steve, but if I remember right I think Neal said something like "nobody was amused" when he was asked about it.

[Red13JoePa]

Yea, aside from Perry he made JC out to be the worst. A total canniver per Herbie. And then he portrayed Neal and Ross as about smart as boxes of rocks, not to mention Ross as a druggie.

[ohsherrie]

Yea, aside from Perry he made JC out to be the worst. A total canniver per Herbie. And then he portrayed Neal and Ross as about smart as boxes of rocks, not to mention Ross as a druggie.

I wonder if the guys would ever turn to him again after all that, or if he would help them if they asked.

[jrnyman28]

Yea, aside from Perry he made JC out to be the worst. A total canniver per Herbie. And then he portrayed Neal and Ross as about smart as boxes of rocks, not to mention Ross as a druggie.

I wonder if the guys would ever turn to him again after all that, or if he would help them if they asked.

They did ask HH to come back before the interview. He declined claiming he was retired. In the interview he said he did not have the heart for it. He also said that he would make more money than the guys would, even as a partner to Azoff.

But HH is reported to be involved with Soul SirkUS now. That certainly could be a way back in. HH even said he would be glad to be 'partners' with Azoff.

[ohsherrie]

They did ask HH to come back before the interview. He declined claiming he was retired. In the interview he said he did not have the heart for it. He also said that he would make more money than the guys would, even as a partner to Azoff.

But HH is reported to be involved with Soul SirkUS now. That certainly could be a way back in. HH even said he would be glad to be 'partners' with Azoff.

Doesn't that sound a little strange to you? It makes me wonder about his ethics, as if I didn't wonder about that already. I guess he really is "an unabashed capitalist".