The Emperor Has No Clothes! (post ur chicago thoughts)

[ohsherrie]

This guy sounds a lot like those morons back in the '80s who wanted to hear their trashy pet groups on the radio and therefore put Journey down without really listening to their music.

[The_Noble_Cause]

You are just pissed that Generations wasn't promoted. Is'nt it going down on the charts?

I don't give a shit. I was one of the first people on here (besides Monker and the Troll) saying that it probably wouldn't even chart. I got my cd, I'm happy with it, and that's all that matters.

If he's stated that Journey had a new c.d. called Generations, and plugged it a bit, you'd all be saying that he was just having a hell of a good time and sounded fit for the occasion

No, first I'd be confused why he'd be promoting the current lineup and then, I'd still be on here saying he sounded like shit.

[The_Noble_Cause]

don't you think the situation here is unique,
the guy likes baseball, they use a song he sings on and co-wrote as their rallying song. they invite him to the world series, the team actually wins for the first time in what? 80 years. and before the cubs no less. C'mon.

None of that changes the fact that if Perry wasn't up for it, he could've abstained (like he has done time and time again).

[ohsherrie]

That last post of mine wasn't intended for you TNC.

I'm not going to reply to your post because doing so just gives you another opportunity to spew your venom. This isn't an argument, it's just a pissing match and I don't have the animosity or the equipment to outpiss you. I don't know why you're doing this, but I won't abet you in it.

[The_Noble_Cause]

That last post of mine wasn't intended for you TNC.

I didn't respond to your last post immediately above.
I only responded to the one were u specifically addressed it to me by name.
So just what the fuck are you talking about?

I'm not going to reply to your post because doing so just gives you another opportunity to spew your venom.

It's not venom. Perry sounded like shit and can no longer sing Journey songs as written. Deal with it,

This isn't an argument, it's just a pissing match

I'm not creating an unmitigable pissing match.
I am stating the obvious:
Perry's voice is irrevocably damaged and cannot sing Journey songs as written.

and I don't have the animosity or the equipment to outpiss you.

Right, Right. Sure, sure.
How conveniant. Yet again u call me out, start an argument and then run away. The reason why you don't stand fast and defend your points is becase u know damn well they are incapable of being supported.

I don't know why you're doing this, but I won't abet you in it.

You make points in my thread, I respond.
That's how message boards work.

[heardonthestreet]

That last post of mine wasn't intended for you TNC.

I didn't respond to your last post immediately above.
I only responded to the one were u specifically addressed it to me by name.
So just what the fuck are you talking about?

I'm not going to reply to your post because doing so just gives you another opportunity to spew your venom.

It's not venom. Perry sounded like shit and can no longer sing Journey songs as written. Deal with it,

This isn't an argument, it's just a pissing match

I'm not creating an unmitigable pissing match.
I am stating the obvious:
Perry's voice is irrevocably damaged and cannot sing Journey songs as written.

and I don't have the animosity or the equipment to outpiss you.

Right, Right. Sure, sure.
How conveniant. Yet again u call me out, start an argument and then run away. The reason why you don't stand fast and defend your points is becase u know damn well they are incapable of being supported.

I don't know why you're doing this, but I won't abet you in it.

You make points in my thread, I respond.
That's how message boards work.

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I wondered what this was all about. You"re having a blast trying to get YOUR thread a lot of hits by being a nerd as usual.
How desperate! What a dummy!

[The_Noble_Cause]

I wondered what this was all about. You"re having a blast trying to get YOUR thread a lot of hits by being a nerd as usual.
How desperate! What a dummy!

I think I speak for everyone here when I say,"WHAT THE FUCK?"

This thread was simply made so that people can posit their thoughts on Perry's first live singing performance in ages.
As an overwhelming amount of MR.com viewers attest, he sounded like shit.
That is all.

[boodles]

I don't post very often because I don't want to bother getting into pissing matches, but they are entertaining to read.

Yes, Perrys voice has changed. Alot. Was his singing good? no. Could he do better? Probably. At least I hope so!

My question is WHY has his voice changed so much? Yeah, age is a factor, but IMO only a small factor. There are alot of singers out there that have been around since the 70's and 80's that may sound some what lower,but still sound like themselves. Steves voice seems to have changed drastically.

From everything I have ever read about the guy he seemed to try to take good care of his vocal chords.

[Rockindeano]

I don't post very often because I don't want to bother getting into pissing matches, but they are entertaining to read.

Yes, Perrys voice has changed. Alot. Was his singing good? no. Could he do better? Probably. At least I hope so!

My question is WHY has his voice changed so much? Yeah, age is a factor, but IMO only a small factor. There are alot of singers out there that have been around since the 70's and 80's that may sound some what lower,but still sound like themselves. Steves voice seems to have changed drastically.

From everything I have ever read about the guy he seemed to try to take good care of his vocal chords.

Personally, NONE of us knows. Only Perry himself knows. My guess his his excessive touring with Journey..There were years where they didn't stop. 77,78,79, 80,81,82,83,84....that'll do it. Just my guess.

[Greg]

I don't post very often because I don't want to bother getting into pissing matches, but they are entertaining to read.

Yes, Perrys voice has changed. Alot. Was his singing good? no. Could he do better? Probably. At least I hope so!

My question is WHY has his voice changed so much? Yeah, age is a factor, but IMO only a small factor. There are alot of singers out there that have been around since the 70's and 80's that may sound some what lower,but still sound like themselves. Steves voice seems to have changed drastically.

From everything I have ever read about the guy he seemed to try to take good care of his vocal chords.

You got to consider the type of music genre he sings in. Listen to his voice between Evolution to Frontiers. I think there is a huge difference in his voice between those two albums....definitely a big difference between Infinity to Frontiers. Also, I personally believe it's tougher to keep a tenor voice singing in the clouds unlike a baritone voice that is usually a comfort zone for most male singers. However, listen to FTLOSM. I thought he sounded better on that album than what he did on ROR.

[The_Noble_Cause]

However, listen to FTLOSM. I thought he sounded better on that album than what he did on ROR.

No way. While his performance on FTLOSM is commendable, it's nowhere near the qualitative vocal heights soared to in ROR. Listen to Why Can't This Night Go on Forever and tell me if the Steve from FTLOSM could sing that song. The answer is no.

[Greg]

Yeah, but listen to "Anyway" on FTLOSM......how many times did he hit that type of note on ROR?

[The_Noble_Cause]

Yeah, but listen to "Anyway" on FTLOSM......how many times did he hit that type of note on ROR?

Yeah, but that is ONE isolated note.
It was as if he threw it on there to compensate for the rugged vocals to be found on the rest of the album.
It's his "look, I still have what it takes" note.
Young Perry would regularly hit similarly glass shatering notes as heard on "Sweet & Simple" (off of Evolution) and during Wheel in the Sky on the Captured LP.

I still contend that he was far more high pitched all around during ROR then FTLOSM. The Perry of FTLOSM could not sing Happy to Give nor WCTNGOF. That much I'm sure of.

[Greg]

Incidently, I have just got through listening to "A Brand New Start" from David Pack with Steve Perry. Perry sounded pretty good to me. I have no beef with him singing in this particular range.

[The_Noble_Cause]

I have no beef with him singing in this particular range.

Neither does anyone here.

[Greg]

Yeah, but listen to "Anyway" on FTLOSM......how many times did he hit that type of note on ROR?

Yeah, but that is ONE isolated note.
It was as if he threw it on there to compensate for the rugged vocals to be found on the rest of the album.
It's his "look, I still have what it takes" note.
Young Perry would regularly hit similarly glass shatering notes as heard on "Sweet & Simple" (off of Evolution) and during Wheel in the Sky on the Captured LP.

I still contend that he was far more high pitched all around during ROR then FTLOSM. The Perry of FTLOSM could not sing Happy to Give nor WCTNGOF. That much I'm sure of.

I dunno...maybe you should listen to the live videos from ROR....you'll find he was quite raspy there. Sure, a young Steve Perry would hit high notes on a regular basis....it's no sense in comparing Perry from '78 to today. That just proves my point even more that age and heavy touring fries a voice.

[Rockindeano]

I dunno...maybe you should listen to the live videos from ROR....you'll find he was quite raspy there. Sure, a young Steve Perry would hit high notes on a regular basis....it's no sense in comparing Perry from '78 to today. That just proves my point even more that age and heavy touring fries a voice.

I agree Greggie, but I personally LOVE I'll Be Alright Without You live..I thought tune had a ton of melodicy and soul..If Perry could still do that, I would take him in a heartbeat.

Now, on more important issues. I was getting so used to your avatar Greggie..That one dude..Now everytime I see the Escape album, I'll think of Greggie.....too funny...And don't anyone here tell me they don't visualize JT with that skullhead, because you all do!

[Greg]

I have no beef with him singing in this particular range.

Neither does anyone here.

Not sure your point with your argument then if you're talking about his range. Incidently, WCTNGONF does not compare with Sweet and Simple, and nor is it THAT much of a higher octave song. The notes toward the end of that song (which is one song too that you're using as arugment,) aren't nearly as high as the note toward the end of Anyway.

[The_Noble_Cause]

I dunno...maybe you should listen to the live videos from ROR....you'll find he was quite raspy there.

And maybe you should listen to live bootlegs from the FTLOSM tour. I thought we were comparing albums here, not concerts. If you want to discuss concerts, I still say that Perry was better during ROR. At least he sang most of the songs the way they were supposed to be sung. I have an Open Arms boot from FTLOSM where the song is almost unrecognizable. Not the music mind you, the way Perry tackles it vocally so as to suit his voice.

Sure, a young Steve Perry would hit high notes on a regular basis....it's no sense in comparing Perry from '78 to today.

But it makes sense for us to compare ROR Perry to a FTLOSM Perry?

That just proves my point even more that age and heavy touring fries a voice.

I don't think anyone is gonna debate that.

[Greg]

LOL! Sorry Deano. When Andrew had the site down the other day, he must have whiped out all the avatars, because that is where I had gotten mine. I couldn't get it back, so I decided to go with Escape for awhile.

I do agree with you on the live version of I'll Be Alright Without You...I was just saying that I honestly believe he sounded better on FTLOSM than ROR. Again, not that I thought he sounded bad on ROR. I actually happen to like Perry's voice from Frontiers and on. I like the raspy touch in his voice. I believe it gives him more crediblity as a rock singer.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Not sure your point with your argument then if you're talking about his range. Incidently, WCTNGONF does not compare with Sweet and Simple, and nor is it THAT much of a higher octave song. The notes toward the end of that song (which is one song too that you're using as arugment,) aren't nearly as high as the note toward the end of Anyway.

Wrong. About 2/3 of the way through the song Steve hits a note that is just below the frequency that only dogs hear! Anything off of ROR or FTLOSM (yes, even "Anyway") does not even remotely compare.

[ohsherrie]

I agree Greggie, but I personally LOVE I'll Be Alright Without You live..I thought tune had a ton of melodicy and soul..If Perry could still do that, I would take him in a heartbeat.

I'd be willing to bet he could. No matter what key, it would still have all the melodicy and soul. I'd take him any way I could get him.

[boodles]

I thought Steves voice was the best on ROR. No he couldn't really hit the real high notes even then, but I liked the ROR sound.
FTLOSM 's "Anyway" was probably written at the end to show people he could still hit those notes. But that was just a small part of one song.And that was 10 years ago now.

Like Rock'ndeano said all that touring had to have an effect on his voice. I guess we can blame Herbie then.

[Greg]

I dunno...maybe you should listen to the live videos from ROR....you'll find he was quite raspy there.

And maybe you should listen to live bootlegs from the FTLOSM tour. I thought we were comparing albums here, not concerts. If you want to discuss concerts, I still say that Perry was better during ROR. At least he sang most of the songs the way they were supposed to be sung. I have an Open Arms boot from FTLOSM where the song is almost unrecognizable. Not the music mind you, the way Perry tackles it vocally so as to suit his voice.

Sure, a young Steve Perry would hit high notes on a regular basis....it's no sense in comparing Perry from '78 to today.

But it makes sense for us to compare ROR Perry to a FTLOSM Perry?

That just proves my point even more that age and heavy touring fries a voice.

I don't think anyone is gonna debate that.

I don't have the FTLOSM bootlegs, so I guess I have to take your word for it. However, what exactly is the point with your argument about Steve Perry?

[Greg]

Not sure your point with your argument then if you're talking about his range. Incidently, WCTNGONF does not compare with Sweet and Simple, and nor is it THAT much of a higher octave song. The notes toward the end of that song (which is one song too that you're using as arugment,) aren't nearly as high as the note toward the end of Anyway.

Wrong. About 2/3 of the way through the song Steve hits a note that is just below the frequency that only dogs hear! Anything off of ROR of FTLOSM (yes, even "Anyway") does not even remotely compare.

ROTFL! I'm listening to it now, and I have no idea what you're talking about. I'm not saying he doesn't hit any high notes on that song, but if you're trying to say that there are notes on that song that is higher than what is in Anyway, you're smoking some serious weed.

[The_Noble_Cause]

ROTFL! I'm listening to it now, and I have no idea what you're talking about. I'm not saying he doesn't hit any high notes on that song, but if you're trying to say that there are notes on that song that is higher than what is in Anyway, you're smoking some serious weed.

The high note gets interwoven with Neal's guitar.
And yes, he does go higher than the note in "Anyway".

[Greg]

Whatever man, as long as your happy in believing such.

Anyways, like I said, I listened to his stuff on the Pack song. I think he sounds just fine on it. I would not mind a CD from Perry in this range. After all, I believe When You Love A Woman is beautfully written and performed song - from all players. He didn't have to hit high notes to make that song a great song.

[Rockindeano]

I'd be willing to bet he could. No matter what key, it would still have all the melodicy and soul. I'd take him any way I could get him.

That's the problem I have with your argument Sherrie. You want him back at any capacity, and that is simply not good enough now. I understand your plight. It's the same as if a sports star leaves your favourite team.....

I really don't know if Steve Perry could hit the notes now that he did with ROR...My left nut says No way..however, I am not putting him down for losing his voice..never have.


And sorry again, but the "key" is very important. I do not want to hear Still They Ride in a lower octave..That to me, is SELLING OUT. Going on tour with an inferior product is robbery.


Not That Augeri knocks it out everytime either


Trust me, he has had his problems, BUT, has overcome them as well.


One more thing. On the Frontiers tour, if you listen(as well as ROR). Perry hurries through the songs. It doesn't sound good, but it does sound different. I can remeber when I was younger, 20, I would put the albums on the turntable and play them fast to emulate th e live show..

but it's easier to sing faster, and mumble the words. Sherrie, that Long Beach boot is perfect proof..He rushes many songs....

[The_Noble_Cause]

Whatever man, as long as your happy in believing such.

Many other Journey fans have said the same thing. This isn't MY personal theory. You don't have the right to become an icy bitch stuck up primadonna just because you can't hear something.

[Greg]

Whatever man, as long as your happy in believing such.

Many other Journey fans have said the same thing. This isn't MY personal theory, so lose the attitude. You don't have the right to become an icy bitch just because you can't hear something.

Doesn't sound much like I'm the one with the attitude. And, how many times have I resulted to name calling on this board? Seriously man, there is no reason to be so uncivil.