The Emperor Has No Clothes! (post ur chicago thoughts)

[The_Noble_Cause]

However, what exactly is the point with your argument about Steve Perry?

I wasn't arguing anything. I created this thread for people to state opinions on Perry's live singing at the parade. My opinion is that he can no longer do the Journey material justice. If you wanna take that to be an argument and waste time quarreling with me be my guest.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Doesn't sound much like I'm the one with the attitude.

Sure it does. Look at this quote:

Whatever man, as long as your happy in believing such.

Rather than genteely agreeing to diagree, you insinuated that I am lying and that Perry does not hit the ultra sonic high note during "Sweet and Simple". You want to be patronizing, so I was patronizing right back.

And, how many times have I resulted to name calling on this board? Seriously man, there is no reason to be so uncivil.

Name calling is just one of many ways to be discourteous.

[Rockindeano]

Name calling is just one of many ways to be discourteous.

Really. What are the others? I would like to know.

[Greg]

You brought up ROR and the FTLOSM bootlegs...man. But, anyways, I apologize if you took what I was saying as an attitude...which wasn't an attitude...just merely saying I agree to disagree. I don't take any of this stuff personally.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Name calling is just one of many ways to be discourteous.

Really. What are the others? I would like to know.

Well, there is writing someone a death threat, for starters.

[Rockindeano]

Name calling is just one of many ways to be discourteous.

Really. What are the others? I would like to know.

Well, there is writing someone a death threat, for starters.

shut it, TNC

[ohsherrie]

I'd be willing to bet he could. No matter what key, it would still have all the melodicy and soul. I'd take him any way I could get him.

That's the problem I have with your argument Sherrie. You want him back at any capacity, and that is simply not good enough now. I understand your plight. It's the same as if a sports star leaves your favourite team.....

I really don't know if Steve Perry could hit the notes now that he did with ROR...My left nut says No way..however, I am not putting him down for losing his voice..never have.


And sorry again, but the "key" is very important. I do not want to hear Still They Ride in a lower octave..That to me, is SELLING OUT. Going on tour with an inferior product is robbery.


Not That Augeri knocks it out everytime either


Trust me, he has had his problems, BUT, has overcome them as well.


One more thing. On the Frontiers tour, if you listen(as well as ROR). Perry hurries through the songs. It doesn't sound good, but it's easier to sing faster, and mumble the words. Sherrie, that Long Beach boot is perfect proof..He rushes many songs....

Dean, he could sing I'll Be Allright now. He probably couldn't sing WCTNGOF or Happy To Give in the same key he did on the album, but he could do I'll Be Allright.

I wouldn't want him back if I really didn't believe he could do it. I wouldn't wish that kind of humiliation on him. I truly think he has a LOT left to give.

I just don't agree with you on the key thing. Of course some songs sound better in their original key, but a really skilled vocalist can adjust the range to his advantage. I think Steve is that skilled.

Augeri has only done a fraction of the dates that Steve did, and he's having probems. He won't be making those "semi"highnotes that he does for more than one more year.

Yes, they rushed some of the songs in Long Beach, but didn't you have a GREAT time when you were there? I have a great time just listening to it.

They started rushing some songs in concerts long before Frontiers. I don't know why, but they did. I have the boots to prove it.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Augeri has only done a fraction of the dates that Steve did, and he's having probems. He won't be making those "semi"highnotes that he does for more than one more year.

Please remain consistent with your own espoused advice and don't turn this into a pissing match. Thank you.

[Rockindeano]

Disagree..Escape tour, they played it right on time..Frontiers tour started th e scurrying....

It was Perrys decision to go fast..IMy guess is it's a lot easier to sing faster and blurred...look, it easier to hold a note for 2 seconds vs. 4?

[Greg]

Hate to take this thread off topic (like that hasn't already happened, lol) but where do you guys get these bootleg concerts from? Can ya help a Journey brother out?

[The_Noble_Cause]

Hate to take this thread off topic (like that hasn't already happened, lol) but where do you guys get these bootleg concerts from? Can ya help a Journey brother out?

I don't download anymore (it fried my last computer). However, I recomend trying SoulSeek and Kazaa. I found plenty on there. Napster was good before it was closed, so was something called AudioGalaxy.
Careful though, these MP3's can give potentially u viruses. Scan them first.

[Greg]

Yeh, I used to do alot of downloading myself. My fiancee comes over and uses Limewire all the time. She downloads some weird weird stuff though...LOL!! Funny thing is, I usually wind up buying the CD anyways.

[OpeningAct]

Yeh, I used to do alot of downloading myself. My fiancee comes over and uses Limewire all the time. She downloads some weird weird stuff though...LOL!! Funny thing is, I usually wind up buying the CD anyways.

Weird stuff Greggie??? And I take it you handle the music downloads...

[JohnH]

It has been over 4 years since BTM and Perry is saying again that he thinks about recording/preforming. I am not going to wait, but I will be interested.

It's been six years as that was in 1999. Ah the great old days of Behind The Music....when VH1 had good shows about music....What a joke now. It's all "Greatest Paris Hilton Moments" and "Most pathetic Celebrity Couples". Jesus christ what a whoreror.

John

[JohnH]

I didn't realize Steve had sung until yesterday when I was catching up on news shows I record.....and caught Fri's KNBC news report on it in LA. I had to laugh at sportscaster Fred Roggin's comments....The guy as far as I know isn't a musician or anything and even he thought it was horrible! Here's direct quotes:



" But the most bizarre moment of the day came when former singer Steve Perry of the 80's rock band Journey sang..."

After running the brief clip, Roggin was seen shaking his head in disbelief and said "And you wonder why they broke up"

John

[JohnH]

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Like Rock'ndeano said all that touring had to have an effect on his voice. I guess we can blame Herbie then.

I work with a guitar player and we are singers and Journey fans. The subject of the change in Steve's voice has come up a lot the past couple of years. Mainly we discuss the change from the Escape album to Frontiers. From Frontiers on Steve's voice was raspier.....and it had to be the Escape tours that did that. My guitar player specifically mentions when Steve's voice breaks just before the first and main guitar solo on Seperate Ways....it was something not heard on record before.

John

[perryfaithful]

From everything I have ever read about the guy he seemed to try to take good care of his vocal chords.

....and how exactly do you do that? Seriously. I guess not smoking and not doing some types of drugs would be important. Staying healthy to ward off chronic upper respiratory infections.......but what else?

Without the "work out" do vocal cords undergo any change? Where are the experts? come on out!

[Greg]

Yeh, I used to do alot of downloading myself. My fiancee comes over and uses Limewire all the time. She downloads some weird weird stuff though...LOL!! Funny thing is, I usually wind up buying the CD anyways.

Weird stuff Greggie??? And I take it you handle the music downloads...

LOL.....I delete everything she downloads.....

[Greg]

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Like Rock'ndeano said all that touring had to have an effect on his voice. I guess we can blame Herbie then.

I work with a guitar player and we are singers and Journey fans. The subject of the change in Steve's voice has come up a lot the past couple of years. Mainly we discuss the change from the Escape album to Frontiers. From Frontiers on Steve's voice was raspier.....and it had to be the Escape tours that did that. My guitar player specifically mentions when Steve's voice breaks just before the first and main guitar solo on Seperate Ways....it was something not heard on record before.

John

Yep....I was thinking the samething.

[Greg]

From everything I have ever read about the guy he seemed to try to take good care of his vocal chords.

....and how exactly do you do that? Seriously. I guess not smoking and not doing some types of drugs would be important. Staying healthy to ward off chronic upper respiratory infections.......but what else?

Without the "work out" do vocal cords undergo any change? Where are the experts? come on out!

Working out your vocal chords is just like working out your body. You have to do it at least 3 - 5 times a week to stay in shape, otherwise you lose what you got. We don't know what Perry does in his leisure that might cause his voice to deteriorate. The lead singer from Kansas had(has) the same problem, but his was due to drug use. Not saying Perry does drugs, but that could definitely cause it.

[SuiteMadameBlue]

So Steve Perry was on David Pack's cd for one song. And from what I read, he sounded good or great or okay, right? How many people on here heard it?

Then on the field, locker room and then at the celebration he's singing with no band, just him (I'm not counting the terrible back up singers, the ballplayers).

Obviously no one has a clue if he's been warming up, practicing or anything.

Do you think if he was going to come out and do a show or perform anywhere, that he would sound different from maybe warming up those vocal cords? I think so, I think.

[yak]

Augeri has only done a fraction of the dates that Steve did, and he's having probems. He won't be making those "semi"highnotes that he does for more than one more year.

And why do you profess to know anything at all about Steve Augeri's voice, since you admittedly don't frequent Journey concerts? FYI, Steve sounded great this summer. Maybe he knows how to care for his voice and take care of his health better than some other ahem ex-singers.

Would you be needing a shovel for all your little digs, m'am?...................

I didn't realize Steve had sung until yesterday when I was catching up on news shows I record.....and caught Fri's KNBC news report on it in LA. I had to laugh at sportscaster Fred Roggin's comments....The guy as far as I know isn't a musician or anything and even he thought it was horrible! Here's direct quotes:



" But the most bizarre moment of the day came when former singer Steve Perry of the 80's rock band Journey sang..."

After running the brief clip, Roggin was seen shaking his head in disbelief and said "And you wonder why they broke up"

With all the criticism from the press of late about Perry's "singing," anybody want to wager a guess that he'll go back into hiding from the embarrassment of it all?

I'm not creating an unmitigable pissing match.
I am stating the obvious:
Perry's voice is irrevocably damaged and cannot sing Journey songs as written.

And you know if this had been a different singer, ohsherrie et al would have trashed the shit out of him for doing what her boyman actually did

[sadie65]

So Steve Perry was on David Pack's cd for one song. And from what I read, he sounded good or great or okay, right? How many people on here heard it?

Then on the field, locker room and then at the celebration he's singing with no band, just him (I'm not counting the terrible back up singers, the ballplayers).

Obviously no one has a clue if he's been warming up, practicing or anything.

Do you think if he was going to come out and do a show or perform anywhere, that he would sound different from maybe warming up those vocal cords? I think so, I think.

I would hope so. I know you're supposed to avoid dairy products and coffee before singing. I'd like to think he would warm up his voice were that to occur.

While I think he sounded pretty bad, I give him credit for going out there in the first place.

There are very few rock tenors who can maintain their voice. That it appears he's lost some of his range is sad, but not unexpected.

[Greg]

So Steve Perry was on David Pack's cd for one song. And from what I read, he sounded good or great or okay, right? How many people on here heard it?

Then on the field, locker room and then at the celebration he's singing with no band, just him (I'm not counting the terrible back up singers, the ballplayers).

I heard it. Listened to it last night actually. Perry does sound pretty good on it. He's using his lower registery, but hey, that's fine by me. I just wished he had a bigger part on the song, but he sings enough to make a pretty decent judgement.

[ohsherrie]

Disagree..Escape tour, they played it right on time..Frontiers tour started th e scurrying....

It was Perrys decision to go fast..IMy guess is it's a lot easier to sing faster and blurred...look, it easier to hold a note for 2 seconds vs. 4?

On some of my boots from the Escape tour they rushed through some of the older songs. On the Frontiers and ROR boots it also seems like it's mostly the older stuff that they rush through.

You could be right about it being easier to sing that way, but I always thought they were just trying to touch on as many of the songs that the audience might want to hear as they could within a given time period. A lot of performers do that by using a medley.

[NoMoreTails]

Disagree..Escape tour, they played it right on time..Frontiers tour started th e scurrying....

It was Perrys decision to go fast..IMy guess is it's a lot easier to sing faster and blurred...look, it easier to hold a note for 2 seconds vs. 4?

On some of my boots from the Escape tour they rushed through some of the older songs. On the Frontiers and ROR boots it also seems like it's mostly the older stuff that they rush through.

You could be right about it being easier to sing that way, but I always thought they were just trying to touch on as many of the songs that the audience might want to hear as they could within a given time period. A lot of performers do that by using a medley.

Whatever the reason, those versions of the songs sucked imo.

[JohnH]

Speeding songs up definitely makes the notes shorter, but in some cases makes it harder to get the words out. It's way less taxing on the voice though than slowing them down.

John