New Perry interview

[ohsherrie]

Well, not gay, but a little more restrained at times please! I'm not looking to change the identity this board has...just keeping it in check.

Ok gang, what more do we need to know? Let's give our guy a break. We're inadvertently denying Andrew something he(and most of us) really wants just so we can vent our spleen.

And no, I'm not going anywhere right now - sorry mate. Wife is only 4 weeks from our due date. I'm pretty busy right now!

OMG, a baby, congrats Andrew, please keep us posted on this.

[The_Noble_Cause]

The point was raised that they wished someone would ask Perry exactly what went down about TBF and his hip..

That point was never raised. I already clarified this.

and my response is, what the heck is that going to prove? Even if someone asked Perry, "Did you fake your hip injury?" are we stupid enough to believe that he is going to say, "yeah I did!

But nobody demanded that Perry needs to be asked about the hip. Go back and read this thread again.

Poster "usedtobadnews61" wrote:

But, I do understand not asking about the Journey breakup. Those questions have been done to death.

So I merely clarified that Perry really hasn't been asked directly about the nebulous and IMO conspicuous circumstances surrounding the break up.
Please don't confuse that with me wishing for him to come out and explain himself or demanding answers from the guy. Never said that.

[usedtobadnews61]

That may or may not be true Deano. But, no one would deny you your opinion on that.


A point that I haven't ever seen touch on though is this.....


Why in the world would Neal Schon EVER give Steve Perry so much power over HIS band. Perry was the 3rd of 4 lead singers and no doubt the most successful by FAR,

Yet, it was Neal's band....


That is what I never see from the Perry bashers....


You never hold Neal or Jon accountable for the situation that they are in legally.


You can fault Perry for his decisions and choices....But you have to admit that someone, whether it was Neal's choice or Herbie Herberts advice put Steve Perry in the driver's seat.

I think it's a more viable excuse than you give credit for NC. I broke the Perry is out news and it is a view held among some that I allow this forum to be anti-Perry intentionally.
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It's "anti Perry" for a reason. He deserves it.

[The_Noble_Cause]

That is what I never see from the Perry bashers....


You never hold Neal or Jon accountable for the situation that they are in legally.

Neal and Jon want the band to continue, Steve Perry wants it to fade away and die. Why would we continually bash Jon and Neal? It's because of them that the band is still going.
Were Neal and Jon complete submissive push-over asswipes throughout ROR? Yes, (especially Jon). However, their desire to reclaim Journey and veer it back on course has rectified this to some degree in many fans' eyes.

[jrnyman28]

Thanks for trying Deano, but let me give it a shot too.

Jrnyman,

So what your saying is , it's ok when YOU respond to a post that you are bothered by, but it is wrong for me to respond to a post that I'm bothered by?

No, but that is just about all you do.

And it is ok, when you ALL defend the current line up for someone knocking them , but wrong for me, when I defend Perry for those of you that knock him? Sounds like alot of hypocritcy to me on your part Jrnyman.

Except you many times blindly defend him from an accurate statement. And I never said you had NO reason or right to defend Perry, I said it seems to be all you do.

And Yes, I've read all your post that whine that Perry hurt the band, He said this, or he did that, he didn't answer the questions in the right way, or he should have answered this way, or that way. Some complaining that he does not do enough for the fans. The list just goes on & on & on..... it never ends!!!

I was not talking about just MY posts. I said ALL the posts, not just mine. But I can't count how many times your responses sound like you have no idea about what has been posted before.

In case you have not figured it out by now, I 'm not interested in all that crap, the way you & some others are here. I don't find it to be all that important to me because it has NOTHING to do with me as a fan.

Then why do you need to defend Perry about that "crap". Just ignore it an d move on.

I just love the music of Journey WITH Perry!!!!

Great, so talk about it. Instead, you spend your time replying to posts about all the crap you "have no interest in." Start a thread about the music once in a while.

So Jrnyman, why don't you start TALKING about the music yourself & stop whining & complaining about all the questions Perry has not answered for you.

Lori

How many threads have I talked about music? How many threads have I joined the discussion about any and all eras of Journey music? Fact is, you and I both know there is not much more that can be said about the music, which is why these other threads take life. When "Generations" was nearing vompletion, I talked about it. When the tour was coming about, I talked about it. When there was news of the DVD release, I talked about that too. And I mean "talked", not just threw out an "I agree", or "I am excited". I find interest in all the workings of the band. I find interest in discussing reasons why the band is not doing as well as possible and finding ways to help make the band as successful as possible. And finally, I am not the one who keeps saying "it's about the music". That is YOUR point, so why don't YOU back it up?

[Marabelle]

to neal and jon, perry was the goose that laid the golden egg. and steve had come to the realization that he could not top himself. he knew he was the best and he was at the top of his game. i think he thought he was a failure that he couldn't get any better than already being the best. what comes after..best...nothing to prove and he was disappointed knowing he could not top himself. the passion went out of the balloon and there you have my thoughts about the goose that laid the golden egg.

[jrnyman28]

That is what I never see from the Perry bashers....


You never hold Neal or Jon accountable for the situation that they are in legally.

Neal and Jon want the band to continue, Steve Perry wants it to fade away and die. Why would we continually bash Jon and Neal? It's because of them that the band is still going.
Were Neal and Jon complete submissive push-over asswipes throughout ROR? Yes, (especially Jon). However, their desire to reclaim Journey and veer it back on course has rectified this to some degree in many fans' eyes.

I agree with this.
But I will say that "we" have 'called out' Neal and Jon on this subject. Yet it is easy to see the power shift gradually through the years. My guess is that it was harder to see while it was happening, and harder to stop once it took place. I also guess Neal and Jon would admit it is hard to stand in the way of successes when you have issues. Cmon, you don't think they rationalized to themselves often that "I may not like it but it is working'? That was obvious from the way Neal treated and reacted to Open Arms. He didn't like the song, he felt left out, but he found a way to contribute...and the pay-off was huge.

Also, I would have to say that "Perry-bashers" is an unfair term since the people on this board who criticize Perry do so for his actions...not his talent. We all agree that Perry was a huge part of Journey's success and his voice was amazing.

[usedtobadnews61]

It was Neal's band, and Perry came in to sing in Neal's band. So, how did it become Perry calling the shots?

Someone missed up big if Perry became a partner equal to Neal.


[/quote]

Neal and Jon want the band to continue, Steve Perry wants it to fade away and die. Why would we continually bash Jon and Neal? It's because of them that the band is still going.
Were Neal and Jon complete submissive push-over asswipes throughout ROR? Yes, (especially Jon). However, their desire to reclaim Journey and veer it back on course has rectified this to some degree in many fans' eyes.[/quote]

[Marabelle]

sad and depressed about things in his life...true...but a whole lot of ego

and a lot of naracistic strokings and then...poof! not being able to being

better than the hist best was i think was painful to accept

[Rockindeano]

That may or may not be true Deano. But, no one would deny you your opinion on that.

A point that I haven't ever seen touch on though is this.....

Why in the world would Neal Schon EVER give Steve Perry so much power over HIS band. Perry was the 3rd of 4 lead singers and no doubt the most successful by FAR,

Yet, it was Neal's band....

That is what I never see from the Perry bashers....

You never hold Neal or Jon accountable for the situation that they are in legally.

You can fault Perry for his decisions and choices....But you have to admit that someone, whether it was Neal's choice or Herbie Herberts advice put Steve Perry in the driver's seat.

As has been talked about here before, everyone knows the lead singer is the face of the band. The spokesman if you will. Like Neal said in BTM, "he is the one who got us on the radio." Of course they let him lead the band....but they were a band...a democratic number of 5. He just got too big in his own mind.

Neal and Jon are guilty of a couple things.

1) Not standing up to him during that awful time (ROR)
2) Not kicking him out right then and there
3) Signing the agreement..They got ass raped by Perry
4) Believing in a lying, caniving bastard in Perry.

They thought they were a family, like Jon said. Well, one of the members was a total asshole.

[jrnyman28]

It was Neal's band, and Perry came in to sing in Neal's band. So, how did it become Perry calling the shots?

Someone missed up big if Perry became a partner equal to Neal.

How did it become Perry's band? Simply put: GRADUALLY. First Perry pushes a little to get Aynsley out. Then next to go is Gregg. Since Gregg wasa founder and key songwriter, this must have been a pretty big step. Then you add Jon to the mix, a formidable songwriting ally. Open Arms goes a long way to cement this and Neal sees the success, so he feels 'OK'. Now some of the more 'pop' stuff becomes sort of a 2-against-1 thing...especially by the time ROR comes out. (I admit I am not sure how the Frontiers cover came about...maybe he traded Ask The Lonely and Only The Young for it?) You add ROR with Perry as producer and he can overturn Jon on things that they were already 'partnered' on, He can overturn Neal with or without Jon...by ROR Perry truly was calling ALL the shots. Finally, you have to remember Sony may have been pushing certain ideals. And obviously a big one would be the reunion. Sony wanted Perry and Smitty. They forced the issue...and it would have been easy with all the money they were fronting. It was a subtle slide. And the only things I could see Neal and Jon standing up for but they didn't are 'firing Ross and Smitty' and even more importantly firing Herbie. I can almost see how Jon and Neal could let go of Ross and Smitty...it was Perry's show by this time....but Herbie? That was as wrong as it gets...

(All guessing, conjecture, opinion)

[Andrew]

3) Signing the agreement..They got ass raped by Perry
4) Believing in a lying, caniving bastard in Perry.

They thought they were a family, like Jon said. Well, one of the members was a total asshole.

Dude, you seriously HAVE to ease up on the language. Please consider a better way of phrasing your arguments. PLEASE.

[The_Noble_Cause]

It was Neal's band, and Perry came in to sing in Neal's band. So, how did it become Perry calling the shots?

Someone missed up big if Perry became a partner equal to Neal.

Perry's usurpment of power is chronicled by Journey creator Herbie Herbert in this revealing interview. http://members.cox.net/mrcarty/
Happy Reading.

[Rockindeano]

3) Signing the agreement..They got ass raped by Perry
4) Believing in a lying, caniving bastard in Perry.

They thought they were a family, like Jon said. Well, one of the members was a total asshole.

Dude, you seriously HAVE to ease up on the language. Please consider a better way of phrasing your arguments. PLEASE.

Ok ok...

[usedtobadnews61]

Interesting post.


Yet, that same scenario didn't play out in Van Halen, Boston or Toto.


I guess those other bands were willing to risk their legacy's, plus the lead singers never had the control Perry did. Some strong willed, autocratic guitar players in Scholtz, Van Halen and Luke.

It was Neal's band, and Perry came in to sing in Neal's band. So, how did it become Perry calling the shots?

Someone missed up big if Perry became a partner equal to Neal.

How did it become Perry's band? Simply put: GRADUALLY. First Perry pushes a little to get Aynsley out. Then next to go is Gregg. Since Gregg wasa founder and key songwriter, this must have been a pretty big step. Then you add Jon to the mix, a formidable songwriting ally. Open Arms goes a long way to cement this and Neal sees the success, so he feels 'OK'. Now some of the more 'pop' stuff becomes sort of a 2-against-1 thing...especially by the time ROR comes out. (I admit I am not sure how the Frontiers cover came about...maybe he traded Ask The Lonely and Only The Young for it?) You add ROR with Perry as producer and he can overturn Jon on things that they were already 'partnered' on, He can overturn Neal with or without Jon...by ROR Perry truly was calling ALL the shots. Finally, you have to remember Sony may have been pushing certain ideals. And obviously a big one would be the reunion. Sony wanted Perry and Smitty. They forced the issue...and it would have been easy with all the money they were fronting. It was a subtle slide. And the only things I could see Neal and Jon standing up for but they didn't are 'firing Ross and Smitty' and even more importantly firing Herbie. I can almost see how Jon and Neal could let go of Ross and Smitty...it was Perry's show by this time....but Herbie? That was as wrong as it gets...

(All guessing, conjecture, opinion)

[usedtobadnews61]

Thanks TNC,


I've seen that before, but it's worth another read.

It was Neal's band, and Perry came in to sing in Neal's band. So, how did it become Perry calling the shots?

Someone missed up big if Perry became a partner equal to Neal.

Perry's usurpment of power is chronicled by Journey creator Herbie Herbert in this revealing interview. http://members.cox.net/mrcarty/
Happy Reading.

[Red13JoePa]

I think it's a more viable excuse than you give credit for NC. I broke the Perry is out news and it is a view held among some that I allow this forum to be anti-Perry intentionally.

I guess that makes sense.
But as I said, Jeb is also an Augeri-supporter. Why would Perry oblige Jeb's requests, but not your's?
All because you were the guy that broke the story of his firing?
Man, talk about holding a grudge.
If that's true, it sounds like Perry is the one in dire need of getting a life.

Well, die hard Augeri fan he is, my man included his "boot the singer ('the singer?' huh?) and get back to recording new material (Presumably with perry) in earnest" bit of objective reporting as prelude to running the transcript. Praps he told SteveO (P) that he would get that sentiment in there. That remark does not reconcile with someone who's alleged to be such an ardent supporter of Journey.

[Rockindeano]

Well, die hard Augeri fan he is, my man included his "boot the singer ('the singer?' huh?) and get back to recording new material (Presumably with perry) in earnest" bit of objective reporting as prelude to running the transcript. Praps he told SteveO (P) that he would get that sentiment in there. That remark does not reconcile with someone who's alleged to be such an ardent supporter of Journey.

13, I swear to you, I read this 4 times. I still cannot come close to telling you what you just wrote. Can you simplify it? Seriously, I can't read through the code, but I know there is a good messagein there.

[NealIsGod]

Well, die hard Augeri fan he is, my man included his "boot the singer ('the singer?' huh?) and get back to recording new material (Presumably with perry) in earnest" bit of objective reporting as prelude to running the transcript. Praps he told SteveO (P) that he would get that sentiment in there. That remark does not reconcile with someone who's alleged to be such an ardent supporter of Journey.

13, I swear to you, I read this 4 times. I still cannot come close to telling you what you just wrote. Can you simplify it? Seriously, I can't read through the code, but I know there is a good messagein there.

Me, too. What are you smoking this morning, Red?

[Eric]

My opinion is that Perry doesn't realize that Journey is trying to keep their songs/children alive by touring. He does seem to understand their need to tour though. I just wish if he were retired he would be happy that the band is out there putting on great shows in the name of Journey....I can't seem to understand why someone wouldn't want their band/team to continue if they couldn't be with them. I mean, if he wanted to be with them and they didn't want to allow that, that is different. But its like, this or nothing. Why would nothing be a better choice?

[Rockindeano]

My opinion is that Perry doesn't realize that Journey is trying to keep their songs/children alive by touring. He does seem to understand their need to tour though. I just wish if he were retired he would be happy that the band is out there putting on great shows in the name of Journey....I can't seem to understand why someone wouldn't want their band/team to continue if they couldn't be with them. I mean, if he wanted to be with them and they didn't want to allow that, that is different. But its like, this or nothing. Why would nothing be a better choice?

It isn't obvious to you, ERIC? He wants the music world to think He was the sole, most important reason for Journey being great. Certainly He was a big part of it, but not all of it. He wants Journey of today to be subpar. Unfortunately for him, they are very good.

The Perry onlies won't go to a show, because it's their kryptonite...if they saw how good this band is now, and how many fans still love them, they wouldn't know what to say.

[Red13JoePa]

Alright Deano and Niggy. I will dumb this down for you rocket scientists.
I guess that's what a PAC10 diploma buys you, or Hopkins in NIG;s case.

This is what the guy wrote in his remarks prior to the interview:

" That facts are these: Steve Perry delivered big with Journey and he also chooses not to be in Journey. Until the boys sit down, boot out the new singer and began to earnestly work on new material then the bottom line is that it does not matter what anyone thinks"

[Rockindeano]

Alright Deano and Niggy. I will dumb this down for you rocket scientists.
I guess that's what a PAC10 diploma buys you, or Hopkins in NIG;s case.

This is what the guy wrote in his remarks prior to the interview:

" That facts are these: Steve Perry delivered big with Journey and he also chooses not to be in Journey. Until the boys sit down, boot out the new singer and began to earnestly work on new material then the bottom line is that it does not matter what anyone thinks"

An actual paid writer wrote that? He should be unemployed this morning.

Outside the Ivy league, no other conference has the scholastics of the Pac10.

And by the way, why didn't NIGGY get bashed with his education? Where you go to school, NIGGY?

[Red13JoePa]

Yea, I went back and edited a bash on Nig into it. Gotta be equal opp. ball busting .

Dude, read the prelude to the interview. I didn't pick up on it until the second read-through.

[NoMoreTails]

SP:"Jonathan and I had a lot of moments writing lyrics where there was difficulty between us. He would make a suggestion and I would say that I would try to sing it but then I would not be able to believe it, or own it for myself, so I would have to throw in a couple of changes or make additions to it to make it mine."

Quote: "...to make it mine"
Translation: To get a cheap writing credit.

[NoMoreTails]

Well, die hard Augeri fan he is, my man included his "boot the singer ('the singer?' huh?) and get back to recording new material (Presumably with perry) in earnest" bit of objective reporting as prelude to running the transcript. Praps he told SteveO (P) that he would get that sentiment in there. That remark does not reconcile with someone who's alleged to be such an ardent supporter of Journey.

Sounds like he's about as Pro-Journey as JDK, another supposed "friend" of the band.

[Rockindeano]

SP:"Jonathan and I had a lot of moments writing lyrics where there was difficulty between us. He would make a suggestion and I would say that I would try to sing it but then I would not be able to believe it, or own it for myself, so I would have to throw in a couple of changes or make additions to it to make it mine."

Quote: "...to make it mine"
Translation: To get a cheap writing credit.

I don't agree with this one. Look, Perry was the voice, the face of the band. Perhaps he was just saying, if he has to be the one singing this to thousands, he wants to believe in it, so he can sell it.

I don't blame Perry here. The writing credits he received I am sure are well earned.

[Marabelle]

you obviously don't know anything about singing...if you don't believe it neither do we.

[NoMoreTails]

The writing credits he received I am sure are well earned.

Most, probably. All, I have my doubts.

[NoMoreTails]

you obviously don't know anything about singing...if you don't believe it neither do we.

If Neal can play all those ballads he didn't care for with the amazing feeling and passion he did, Perry could bluff his way through a lyric or two he didn't personally write. Don't you feel he was that good? I doubt there was anything Jon wrote that was against Perry's religion or anything that truly mattered. Just another case of Perry spewing his usual bs.
I've heard John Waite make the same bogus argument about would have been Bad English II songs, couldn't sing it if he didn't feel it. And I've bought John Waite solo albums where he co-wrote barely more than half the songs. You Better Wait had more writers than 39 flavors has ice cream, how could Perry have claimed enough ownership to have truly "felt" that song?
Perhaps every singer who ever sang any song should share in the writing credits based on your opinion.