New Perry interview

[usedtobadnews61]

Name them...

[quote= And I've bought John Waite solo albums where he co-wrote barely more than half the songs. .

[Red13JoePa]

(*Sigh*)

NMT doesn't bluff. He knows about what he posts.

[NoMoreTails]

Name them...

[quote= And I've bought John Waite solo albums where he co-wrote barely more than half the songs. .

Temple Bar, Figure in a Landscape

[SuiteMadameBlue]

You Better Wait had more writers than 39 flavors has ice cream, how could Perry have claimed enough ownership to have truly "felt" that song?

YOU BETTER WAIT
Writers:
BREWSTER LINCOLN LEE
HAWKINS GEORGE M JR
LUCAS MOYES
PERRY STEPHEN RAY
PIERCE JOHN
TAYLOR PAUL ALLEN

And I've bought John Waite solo albums where he co-wrote barely more than half the songs.

Which John Waite songs do you want to know about? It looks like he co-write some and the other songs were written by other people.

[NoMoreTails]

You Better Wait had more writers than 39 flavors has ice cream, how could Perry have claimed enough ownership to have truly "felt" that song?

YOU BETTER WAIT
Writers:
BREWSTER LINCOLN LEE
HAWKINS GEORGE M JR
LUCAS MOYES
PERRY STEPHEN RAY
PIERCE JOHN
TAYLOR PAUL ALLEN

And I've bought John Waite solo albums where he co-wrote barely more than half the songs.

Which John Waite songs do you want to know about? It looks like he co-write some and the other songs were written by other people.

Thanks, look at Figure In a Landscape if you can find credits on the net. I'll have to look at the booklet when I get home. Some great songs by Waite like Masterpiece of Loneliness (sounds like Perry's life) and by outside writers like Fly and Everytime You Come Around. I was able to find Temple Bar credits, only three of ten written by outsiders I admit, but thats not far from barely more than half. I will say even though he uses songs by others at times, I think Waite is a great lyricist, a far better songwriter than I think there's evidence (imo) of Perry being. Talking solo here-- solo-written, w/co-writers etc.

[usedtobadnews61]

Nice try........He wrote or cowrote 9 of 11 for FIAL and 7 of 10 for TB

Name them...

[quote= And I've bought John Waite solo albums where he co-wrote barely more than half the songs. .

Temple Bar, Figure in a Landscape

[usedtobadnews61]

By the way , I agree with you about Waite......he's much better solo than with Bad English. He wrote some bad cliche's in the BE AOR genre. He's done his best work with Temple Bar, When You Were Mine, Figure in a Landscape, The Hard Way( FIAL redux admittingly)

You Better Wait had more writers than 39 flavors has ice cream, how could Perry have claimed enough ownership to have truly "felt" that song?

And I've bought John Waite solo albums where he co-wrote barely more than half the songs.

Which John Waite songs do you want to know about? It looks like he co-write some and the other songs were written by other people.

Thanks, look at Figure In a Landscape if you can find credits on the net. I'll have to look at the booklet when I get home. Some great songs by Waite like Masterpiece of Loneliness (sounds like Perry's life) and by outside writers like Fly and Everytime You Come Around. I was able to find Temple Bar credits, only three of ten written by outsiders I admit, but thats not far from barely more than half. I will say even though he uses songs by others at times, I think Waite is a great lyricist, a far better songwriter than I think there's evidence (imo) of Perry being. Talking solo here-- solo-written, w/co-writers etc.

[Rockindeano]

How did this train turn right and go straight into the corn fields?

Why in the Hell are we, err, you guys talking about that Euro-fag, Waite. He sucks.

[usedtobadnews61]

LOL Deano!!!!!


This did take a wrong turn.........btw Waite is still awesome live. I saw him a few weeks ago.........to each their own though


Now back to your regularly scheduled program..........

My question is......speaking of cornfields..........will Perry go back into his? Or will he continue to be visable like he has the past couple years with Monster and Live Journey DVD cameo's?


Discuss....

How did this train turn right and go straight into the corn fields?

Why in the Hell are we, err, you guys talking about that Euro-fag, Waite. He sucks.

[NoMoreTails]

Nice try........He wrote or cowrote 9 of 11 for FIAL and 7 of 10 for TB

Yeah, thats what I found for TB but I thought there were at least a couple more on Figure, which is a good album, pretty mellow mostly, but some good stuff.
However, I think it makes the point that although he, like Perry, won't sing something he doesn't feel; he, unlike Perry, doesn't always have to have a writing credit in order to be able to feel them. Maybe I'm cynical when it comes to Perry, but why shouldn't Journey fans be? I think it has more to do with Perry's wallet and ego than it does with his "feeling" what he sings.

[Marabelle]

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[The_Noble_Cause]

My question is......speaking of cornfields..........will Perry go back into his? Or will he continue to be visable like he has the past couple years with Monster and Live Journey DVD cameo's?
Discuss....

Visible? Possibly.
Actively singing? No.

[usedtobadnews61]

Point taken on Perry.

It could be that he always demanded a credit or maybe by changing a bit here and there, some writers knew they would get a song on a Journey/Steve Perry record/CD and thereby get a good payday.

Nice try........He wrote or cowrote 9 of 11 for FIAL and 7 of 10 for TB

Yeah, thats what I found for TB but I thought there were at least a couple more on Figure, which is a good album, pretty mellow mostly, but some good stuff.
However, I think it makes the point that although he, like Perry, won't sing something he doesn't feel; he, unlike Perry, doesn't always have to have a writing credit in order to be able to feel them. Maybe I'm cynical when it comes to Perry, but why shouldn't Journey fans be? I think it has more to do with Perry's wallet and ego than it does with his "feeling" what he sings.

[Rockindeano]

Point taken on Perry.

It could be that he always demanded a credit or maybe by changing a bit here and there, some writers knew they would get a song on a Journey/Steve Perry record/CD and thereby get a good payday.

Journey didn't use any outside writers...It was mostly, Jon, Neal and Perry. So the payday theory really doesn't play..

[jrnyman28]

Point taken on Perry.

It could be that he always demanded a credit or maybe by changing a bit here and there, some writers knew they would get a song on a Journey/Steve Perry record/CD and thereby get a good payday.

Perfect example: I Stand Alone. Two writers for the film version, Perry's name added for the single version. I didn;t hear a whole lot of change, but I must admit I am not very familiar with the film version anymore...

[usedtobadnews61]

I don't get it then......Neal and Jon come across as such hard asses now and they let Perry screw them on writing credits?

Very strange......

Point taken on Perry.

It could be that he always demanded a credit or maybe by changing a bit here and there, some writers knew they would get a song on a Journey/Steve Perry record/CD and thereby get a good payday.

Journey didn't use any outside writers...It was mostly, Jon, Neal and Perry. So the payday theory really doesn't play..

[Rockindeano]

I don't get it then......Neal and Jon come across as such hard asses now and they let Perry screw them on writing credits?

Very strange......

I don't think Perry screwed them over in songwriting credits..that's NOT the problem with Perry.

If anything, Perry brought shitloads of cash to the band because of his writing.....

[Andrew]

Why in the Hell are we, err, you guys talking about that Euro-fag, Waite. He sucks.

NEVER knock John Waite thank you.

[Rockindeano]

Why in the Hell are we, err, you guys talking about that Euro-fag, Waite. He sucks.

NEVER knock John Waite thank you.

If this is my only "talking to" today, I am breathing easier. Whew..

[Andrew]

LOL.

No worries here.

For the record - no response to my Perry interview requests, so I'm moving on. It was worth asking at any rate.

[The_Noble_Cause]

For the record - no response to my Perry interview requests, so I'm moving on. It was worth asking at any rate.

Eh, fuck him.

[perryfaithful]

It was Neal's band, and Perry came in to sing in Neal's band. So, how did it become Perry calling the shots?

Someone missed up big if Perry became a partner equal to Neal.

Perry's usurpment of power is chronicled by Journey creator Herbie Herbert in this revealing interview. http://members.cox.net/mrcarty/
Happy Reading.

...and why should we believe Herbie Herbert is telling the truth?? For no more reason than you have for disbelieving Steve Perry had a hip injury that sidelined him, I should wonder why to believe This man! What?

[perryfaithful]

For the record - no response to my Perry interview requests, so I'm moving on. It was worth asking at any rate.

Eh, fuck him.

Very supportive of andrew, man....wow

Very helpful

Call other members here every crude name you wish, but ya think you would have a little respect for the owner man?

[The_Noble_Cause]

...and why should we believe Herbie Herbert is telling the truth?? For no more reason than you have for disbelieving Steve Perry had a hip injury that sidelined him, I should wonder why to believe This man! What?

Please bear with me as I do my best to decipher the nonsensical fragmentary squawking above.
I, personally, choose to believe Herbie Herbert because he is a straight shooter and all of his interviews reflect that. In the interview in question he bashes not only Perry, but Jon, Ross, Neal, Chalfant and even Augeri..pretty much everyone gets slightly singed except for Rolie. Again, this is what I choose to believe. Nobody is forcing you to believe what Herbie says.
Why are you so threatened by this interview?

[The_Noble_Cause]

For the record - no response to my Perry interview requests, so I'm moving on. It was worth asking at any rate.

Eh, fuck him.

Very supportive of andrew, man....wow

Very helpful

Call other members here every crude name you wish, but ya think you would have a little respect for the owner man?

I was referring to Steve Perry, not Andrew, you stammering veiny tit.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Call other members here every crude name you wish, but ya think you would have a little respect for the owner man?

Furthermore, I will not take admonitions from you.
You are the one that has ignored Andrew's genteel reprimands repeatedly.
Here are two examples:
http://forums.melodicrock.com/phpBB/vie ... ht=#101912

http://forums.melodicrock.com/phpBB/vie ... st&start=0

So don't tell me about showing respect, you homely sow.

[Jeremey]

...and why should we believe Herbie Herbert is telling the truth?? For no more reason than you have for disbelieving Steve Perry had a hip injury that sidelined him, I should wonder why to believe This man! What?

Please bear with me as I do my best to decipher the nonsensical fragmentary squawking above.
I, personally, choose to believe Herbie Herbert because he is a straight shooter and all of his interviews reflect that. In the interview in question he bashes not only Perry, but Jon, Ross, Neal, Chalfant and even Augeri..pretty much everyone gets slightly singed except for Rolie. Again, this is what I choose to believe. Nobody is forcing you to believe what Herbie says.
Why are you so threatened by this interview?

My thought about the Herbie interview is that it must be pretty dead on simply because what does Herbie have to gain or lose at this point in his career by manipulating the facts? It's easy to imagine all of the characters in the interview falling into his characterisations....Though it's real important to remember that his personal feelings toward anyone in the band past or present probably colored to some extent how they fared in the interview. The least believeable parts to me were that Ross was a bad bass player, Perry was a drug hustler, or that he truly was a stupid as Herbert made him out to be (he made out pretty good for someone described as being "FOB"). The one thing I can completely see happening is the Perry/Cain confrontation at the Escape party debut.

[Rockindeano]

The least believeable parts to me were that Ross was a bad bass player,

He was for a period....during that time period..

Perry was a drug hustler, or that he truly was a stupid as Herbert made him out to be (he made out pretty good for someone described as being "FOB").

Don't think the drugs were true. I believe Perry took care of his pipes, BUT, Perry is definitely NOT educated. Listen to him speak in the BTM special. "I says, go out with......" "I says?" WTF?


He also said Jon Cain was a motherfucker...Have to take him at his word I guess.


I can't wait for Spanks' book to come out. A tell all.

[Jeremey]

The least believeable parts to me were that Ross was a bad bass player,

He was for a period....during that time period..

Perry was a drug hustler, or that he truly was a stupid as Herbert made him out to be (he made out pretty good for someone described as being "FOB").

Don't think the drugs were true. I believe Perry took care of his pipes, BUT, Perry is definitely NOT educated. Listen to him speak in the BTM special. "I says, go out with......" "I says?" WTF?


He also said Jon Cain was a motherfucker...Have to take him at his word I guess.


I can't wait for Spanks' book to come out. A tell all.

Agree Perry may not have had a bona fide education, but he seemed to me to be one of those guys that dropped out of high school and became a millionaire by opening up a chain of coffee shops. A real entreprenureal street smart kind of guy who wasn't afraid of what people on the inside thought of him or his personality

[Marabelle]

oh a breath of fresh air..thanks for putting such a rational spin on things jeremey...it gets kind of thick in here at times and a voice of calm consideration is always welcome.