Recording Journey Vs Touring Journey

[ohsherrie]

Christ!

The thought of any Perry fans seeing Augeri live wouldbe catastrophic!

Whatever you all do, don't go see the guy live and give him a decent chance..hell no!

Dean, it's not as if I intentionally didn't go see them. I haven't been to a concert that wasn't "child friendly" in 30 yrs. Of course I haven't made the effort for any concert that I did for the ROR concert that was cancelled, but that was Perry. I would go to the concert with you, Sadie and Suite if there was any realistic way possible.

[ohsherrie]

Augeri is the singer for Journey. It is an honr and a tribute to his talent that he works with Neal, Jon, Ross and Deen. Anyone who takes potshots at him is just trying to make themselves feel better about their own wretched lives.

If you thought I was taking pot shots NIG, I'm sorry. I really didn't mean it that way. I think he's a good singer. There's just something soulful and resonant in Steve Perry's voice that I've heard in NO other singer. I guess it has to do with how we hear what we listen for in music. Augeri does as well as anyone could do at what he's been given. His work on Arrival and Gens is very good.

[usedtobadnews61]

Wow, I guess anyone can rip Perry, but commenting on Augeri wiith anything but reverance brings out the rough side of people here.

A wretched life? uh Yeah, that is me NIG.


So, he was a carpenter at the Gap. Basically, anyone who works for the Gap corporation sells Tshirts, because the Gap is a clothing company....everything they do is geared toward marketing the product...

I didn't mean to discount his personal worth. If he had been a DJ or a VP of a company, the comment would still hold true. He has the gig only because Perry didn't want it...

That being said, I love Arrival, Red 13 and some of Generations.

I have seen Augeri in concert on the tour with Waite and Frampton(Ugh). Augeri was stellar.

So, either you worship Augeri or you are taking Perry's side?

I don't get that you cannot have dialog, without swearing at people or calling them names.

[The_Noble_Cause]

There's just something soulful and resonant in Steve Perry's voice that I've heard in NO other singer.

No, Augeri doesn't invoke the Sam Cooke-ism the way Perry did.
But, then again, I don't want him to.
Augeri is soulful in his own, different way.

[usedtobadnews61]

Usedtobadnews,

Good points. Can you do us a favour though? Can you flip flop your quotes and posts?

it makes for an easier read.

Sure Deano and thanks.

[Rockindeano]

I have to agree.

From 1977-1983, NO ONE was better. I said I would not get the DVD. I couldn't resist the soundclips on Andrews front page. After hearing them, I busted down and got a copy. I have listened to it twice.

I told some certain Twigs fans that "sorry, your guy just isn't as good." They of course pissed themselves, but truth be told, Perry wiped the stage with DDY, or anyone else for that matter.

You are right tho sherrie, Augeri does the best job he can do. I am just thankful he has the perfect attitude.

[The_Noble_Cause]

He has the gig only because Perry didn't want it....

And Perry had a gig because Herbie covered Steve's pay for two weeks, flew him out to the Bay area and unilaterally imposed him onto the band against everyone elses' wishes.
Both Steve's jobs came about owing to the benevolence of others.
Where's the difference?

[Jeremey]

If you listen to Perry's Greatest Hits + 5 CD and listen to "I Stand Alone" recorded in 1999, then skip a track over and listen to "If You Need Me Call Me," recorded sometime circa 1976, the difference in vocal there is not that noticeable. I honestly think that what Perry did with his voice from his early days in Journey through Escape was push it too far and beyond what his true capabilities were...I think the solo material was much closer to his true voice and the comparison proves it.

Compare "One More" from TBF to "Somethin' To Hide" and no doubt, it almost sounds like a different singer because of what Perry did to his voice throughout his career. But his original voice - the voice before the ego got a hold of it and killed the goose that laid the golden eggs - is much truer and closer to how he was sounding 30 years ago than how he sounded in 1981.

[The_Noble_Cause]

I honestly think that what Perry did with his voice from his early days in Journey through Escape was push it too far and beyond what his true capabilities were.

Can a singer do that?
Maybe for a few nights, but for a whole tour?
If Perry was singing beyond his capability I think it would've sounded noticeably shitty. No?

[Rockindeano]

IMO< that's why they played so Goddamned fast during ROR..It's easier to sing when the songs are faster, and you can get away with mumbling too.

[SuiteMadameBlue]

Deano says:

I told some certain Twigs fans that "sorry, your guy just isn't as good." They of course pissed themselves, but truth be told, Perry wiped the stage with DDY, or anyone else for that matter.

Guess who that certain Twig fan is? ME - LOL

No, I didn't "piss myself", whatever the hell that means.

Whatever Deano. I'll try to explain it here. I've been a STYX fan since 1972. Dennis has always been my favorite singer. I've been a Journey fan sometime in the 1980's. They both sound great!! They both came from my favorite bands. They both have unique voices. So I like Dennis' voice a itty bitty bit better, SO WHAT, that's just my opinion. Sheesh. I don't want to fight with you who has the better voice, everyone has their own opinions on their music.

I'm sure there are some people on this Journey Board that have a favorite singer that isn't Steve A. or Steve P., but still like one of the Steve's or both of the Steve's voices too.

[Rockindeano]

Hate to burst your bubble, SMB, but I wasn't referring to you....

shoo...

And by the way, since you popped your dome in here, lets chat.

Personally, I don't really care if you like Dennis' voice better, it wasn't as good. Sorry, but those are the facts mam.

Listen to those soundclips. Those live clips are better than DDY in studio.

[ohsherrie]

You're right. Currently in concert, the old material doesn't sound the way it did when it was recorded...it sounds better.

Ok, that's an exageration, but many times on certain songs, Augeri does sound better than Perry. In September, Augeri's rendition of BGTY was the best I've ever heard the song performed.
None of that guttural rasp that is prevalent on ROR and much of Perry's later works.

I respect your opinion TNC, and I can't dispute it because I haven't heard either man in concert live. However, I still think there is something in Perry's voice that some people just don't hear. Maybe it has to do with whether you're more into the vocals or the instrumental work. I just don't know, but I know there has to be a reason why we have such polarized opinions.

There's a big gap between good and extraordinary. Augeri is more than simply good, but not extraordinary. Perry is extraordinary, regardless of his range. JMO

[The_Noble_Cause]

Those live clips are better than DDY in studio.

You better be doing shtick right now.
I heard those clips and that's bullshit.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Perry is extraordinary, regardless of his range. JMO

Sorry Sherrie, part of what made him so extraordinary was his range. No, not the only thing, but def. a considerable factor. Judging from his performance at Chicago I doubt the guy can even sing the ABC's without stopping for trip to the oxygen tank.
That's extraordinary?
Gimmeabreak.
Don't defecate on my face, and tell me it's triple-fudge double deep chocolate chip cookies.

[Rockindeano]

Those live clips are better than DDY in studio.

You better be doing shtick right now.
I heard those clips and that's bullshit.

Dude, back away from the crackpipe. Those live clips from the DVD are fucking astonishing. I admitted I was wrong. This is the best concert I have ever heard...and I guarantee you, DDY never approached this singing by Perry...Simply in awe.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Those live clips are better than DDY in studio.

You better be doing shtick right now.
I heard those clips and that's bullshit.

Dude, back away from the crackpipe. Those live clips from the DVD are fucking astonishing. I admitted I was wrong. This is the best concert I have ever heard...and I guarantee you, DDY never approached this singing by Perry...Simply in awe.

DDY is one of the good guys.
Go fuck yourself.

[Rockindeano]

"The_Noble_Cause"]

DDY is one of the good guys.

I agree. But when it comes to singing between 77 and 83, Perry was the Best. Gotta be honest.

Go fuck yourself.

Ok, boss. in fact, I'm workin' on it...

[SuiteMadameBlue]

Deano says:

Hate to burst your bubble, SMB, but I wasn't referring to you....
shoo...

Yep, my bubble has been burst. Um, I don't think you can tell me to shoo off of this board. I can post on any board I want to just like every one else. So I'm not shooing, in fact, I think I'll be on here ALL night!

LOL

And by the way, since you popped your dome in here, lets chat.

Okie Dokie

Personally, I don't really care if you like Dennis' voice better, it wasn't as good. Sorry, but those are the facts mam.

That again is just YOUR opinion. I have sound clips of Dennis that were recorded recently at a radio station, they'll blow Perry away in the later years plus most other singers, and that's a fact, sir.

Listen to those soundclips. Those live clips are better than DDY in studio.

The Perry/Journey soundclips are very, very good, excellent, etc. that I will admit, but better than DDY? Again, that's just an opinion!!

[Rockindeano]

Dude, you can't copy emoticons..That would be gayish to do so.

[ohsherrie]

Don't defecate on my face, and tell me it's triple-fudge chocolate chip cookies.

I would never stoop so low as to do that TNC, but I still maintain that there is a quality in Perry's voice that just isn't in anyone else's. I could hear the heart of that quality in the White Sox rally performance. If you couldn't, there's nothing I can do about that. I wish you could hear it, but if you can't, that's your loss my friend.

[SuiteMadameBlue]

Dean says:

Dude, you can't copy emoticons..That would be gayish to do so.

Um, you talking to me? If you are, I can do whatever I want, because I'm me!! LOL

I agree, DDY is one of the good guys

[The_Noble_Cause]

I could hear the heart of that quality in the White Sox rally performance. If you couldn't, there's nothing I can do about that. I wish you could hear it, but if you can't, that's your loss my friend.

I really think it's in your head, Sherrie.
The way Perry emoted his words was magical - bar none.
However, there was no such magic to be heard at the Sox parade.
I am willing to wager that a drunken karoke-warbling Reardon does a better than Steve Perry than even Perry himself these days.

[Rockindeano]

I am willing to wager that a drunken karoke-warbling Reardon does a better than Steve Perry than even Perry himself these days.

Yeah, if he's not being incarcerated or stuffing burritos at Taco Bell.

[ohsherrie]

I really think it's in your head, Sherrie.
The way Perry emoted his words was magical - bar none.
However, there was no such magic to be heard at the Sox parade.

I'm sorry you feel that way TNC, and I really don't know what else to say. I guess we all hear things differently, and I don't know how to explain what I heard, so I guess I'd better just let it go.

[Jeremey]

Can a singer do that?
Maybe for a few nights, but for a whole tour?
If Perry was singing beyond his capability I think it would've sounded noticeably shitty. No?

What I mean is that Perry trained his voice to be capable of what it was not capable of under normal circumstances. He raised his entire register, and not only for a few nights, but for about 3 or 4 whole tours. Perry once said in a very early interview that he was trying to create a new "technology" for voice, an instrument that no one had heard before. The result of which was he could do it, and under extreme circumstances, but it caught up with him in the end. This is just my opinion.

[NoMoreTails]

. Basically, anyone who works for the Gap corporation sells Tshirts, because the Gap is a clothing company....everything they do is geared toward marketing the product...
.

A friend's young child used to think I was a doctor since I worked at a hospital.

[ohsherrie]

What I mean is that Perry trained his voice to be capable of what it was not capable of under normal circumstances. He raised his entire register, and not only for a few nights, but for about 3 or 4 whole tours. Perry once said in a very early interview that he was trying to create a new "technology" for voice, an instrument that no one had heard before. The result of which was he could do it, and under extreme circumstances, but it caught up with him in the end. This is just my opinion.

I think I remember something about that interview Jeremy, and I think you're right about the results of his endeavors. He pushed himself beyond the limit of human vocal ability to make Journey successful.

[NoMoreTails]

I really think it's in your head, Sherrie.
The way Perry emoted his words was magical - bar none..

Magic

However, there was no such magic to be heard at the Sox parade..

Tragic

[ohsherrie]

I really think it's in your head, Sherrie.
The way Perry emoted his words was magical - bar none..

Magic

However, there was no such magic to be heard at the Sox parade..

Tragic

Good post, but needless to say, I don't agree with you.