OK guys, I've got the ultimate opinion........

[NoMoreTails]

Do you really think everyone is supposed to think the band sounds the same now as it did with Perry? That just seems completely unrealistic to me.

It is the same band. The singer is different, not the band. Perry didn't influence the musicianship of the band, other than to put the reigns on them. They play the old songs the same but with more of an edge. Hell, they play and sing the old songs more the way they were meant to be played and sung than they did on the Frontiers and ROR tours imo. Of course the new stuff should be different, its new, but still easily identifiable as Journey. Even parts of TBF was different than 70s or 80s Journey but you accepted that as the Journey sound. The music is still Journey, I don't think Perry influenced the Journey musical sound (not vocal sound) much at all other than acting as an editor, except for his producing ROR.
Schon + Cain = Journey sound. Journey has always been about change, I think Perry even made that remark himself around the ROR time.

[ohsherrie]

Do you really think everyone is supposed to think the band sounds the same now as it did with Perry? That just seems completely unrealistic to me.

It is the same band. The singer is different, not the band. Perry didn't influence the musicianship of the band, other than to put the reigns on them. They play the old songs the same but with more of an edge. Hell, they play and sing the old songs more the way they were meant to be played and sung than they did on the Frontiers and ROR tours imo. Of course the new stuff should be different, its new, but still easily identifiable as Journey. Even parts of TBF was different than 70s or 80s Journey but you accepted that as the Journey sound. The music is still Journey, I don't think Perry influenced the Journey musical sound (not vocal sound) much at all other than acting as an editor, except for his producing ROR.
Schon + Cain = Journey sound. Journey has always been about change, I think Perry even made that remark himself around the ROR time.

I know and understand all that NMT, I wasn't even trying to make a point about that. I didn't say they don't have a Journey sound. I just said they don't sound the same way they did with Perry. All of the instruments played in exactly the same style don't add up to exactly the same sound when the focal point is the vocals and they're different. I've only heard them do the classic stuff once on the Free Per View and I didn't think they sounded the same.

I'm not talking better or worse or anything except "different".

I guess it all just goes back to what I said in a previous thread. A casual listener wouldn't instantly identify the new music as Journey because the sound isn't exactly the same. Yes, there were differences in every album they did as they evolved as a band, but Perry vocals are still immediately identifiable regardless of his range. Most listeners would not automatically assume a band without him on vocals is Journey.

That isn't meant as an insult. Nothing I've said in this thread was. I don't know why you guys are trying so hard to find one. If I didn't like Arrival I wouln't have had it playing in the car.

[NealIsGod]

It was my fault more than anyone's.

Yeah, it was a thinly veiled dig at the new lineup. Nothing new.

I don't know why you see it that way, and I'm sorry you do. I respectfully suggest though, that since your feelings about it are coming from something you inferred from what I posted, rather than anything I intentionally implied, the problem must be with you, not me. I meant nothing negative by anything that I said.

Seemed like the point of the first post was to tell us that even your 7 year old grandson can tell that the current lineup of Journey doesn't sound like Journey. Am I the only one who saw it that way? How is that not a dig?

[NoMoreTails]

I know and understand all that NMT, I wasn't even trying to make a point about that. I didn't say they don't have a Journey sound. I just said they don't sound the same way they did with Perry. All of the instruments played in exactly the same style don't add up to exactly the same sound when the focal point is the vocals and they're different. I've only heard them do the classic stuff once on the Free Per View and I didn't think they sounded the same.

I'm not talking better or worse or anything except "different".

I guess it all just goes back to what I said in a previous thread. A casual listener wouldn't instantly identify the new music as Journey because the sound isn't exactly the same. Yes, there were differences in every album they did as they evolved as a band, but Perry vocals are still immediately identifiable regardless of his range. Most listeners would not automatically assume a band without him on vocals is Journey.

That isn't meant as an insult. Nothing I've said in this thread was. I don't know why you guys are trying so hard to find one. If I didn't like Arrival I wouln't have had it playing in the car.

I guess what I find offensive is what I percieve as your opinion that Perry was Journey, to me the vocals are no more important than the music that goes with them.
I agree that casual listeners are probably too shallow to look beyond what they can sing along with and experience the whole journey.
I'm curious, have you liked Arrival or Generations enough to buy either of them?

[Angiekay]

Good Lord, you people read a lot into things!! She made a comment about her grandson not knowing a song was Journey. Get over it! If Journey sounded the same as they always have, why would you want to listen to them? It'd be like buying the same AC/DC album for the past 20 years. Don't you want your band to grow and evolve?

Geesh.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Am I the only one who saw it that way? How is that not a dig?

No, ur not alone, NIG.
But I am gonna take OhSherrie at face value and let this one go.
When family is involved things can only get progressively ugly.

[NoMoreTails]

If Journey sounded the same as they always have, why would you want to listen to them? It'd be like buying the same AC/DC album for the past 20 years. Don't you want your band to grow and evolve?

I think this part of the post is a good point, although I thought AC/DC had been doing the same album for the last 20 years.

[NealIsGod]

Am I the only one who saw it that way? How is that not a dig?

No, ur not alone, NIG.
But I am gonna take OhSherrie at face value and let this one go.
When family is involved things can only get progressively ugly.

I am sure her grandson is sharp as a tack and cute as a button. I just like analyzing the motives of Perry fans posts. I guess I am an amateur psychologist.

[ohsherrie]

thanks Angie, and TNC.

Has it occurred to you guys that you read more subversion into some of our posts than we do in yours about Perry?

I'm curious, have you liked Arrival or Generations enough to buy either of them?

No NMT, because I didn't know how much I like them until Jetster sent me a few tracks from Gens and then Dean sent me both cds. However, I really don't buy much music anymore.

I guess what I find offensive is what I percieve as your opinion that Perry was Journey, to me the vocals are no more important than the music that goes with them.

This thread had nothing to do with whether Perry was Journey. It was simply about the sound of the new music. I don't disagree that the music is just as important to the sound of a band as the vocals. It just so happens that Journey music became identified with one of the strongest vocal identities in rock music.

Seemed like the point of the first post was to tell us that even your 7 year old grandson can tell that the current lineup of Journey doesn't sound like Journey. Am I the only one who saw it that way?

I guess you could say that, but I didn't think of it in exactly that way. It had nothing to do with his being 7 yrs old, it had more to do with his being a totally impartial listener. He does happen to be very astute.

How is that not a dig?

I wasn't a dig because it wasn't meant to say they weren't good, just simply that they didn't sound the same.*

(*see Angie's post)

[cubby69]

You know I saw a commercial the other day that was talking about diversity. It said you will learn a lot more from someone who sees the world differently than you ever will from someone who sees everything exactly as you do. I like that.

[Abitaman]

If Journey sounded the same as they always have, why would you want to listen to them? It'd be like buying the same AC/DC album for the past 20 years. Don't you want your band to grow and evolve?

I think this part of the post is a good point, although I thought AC/DC had been doing the same album for the last 20 years.

AC/DC HAS NOT BEEN DOING THE SAME CD FOR 20 YEARS!!!!!!!! They have been doing the same song for 20 years -ERIC

[jrnyman28]

You know I saw a commercial the other day that was talking about diversity. It said you will learn a lot more from someone who sees the world differently than you ever will from someone who sees everything exactly as you do. I like that.

Great post!

[jrnyman28]

If Journey sounded the same as they always have, why would you want to listen to them? It'd be like buying the same AC/DC album for the past 20 years. Don't you want your band to grow and evolve?

I think this part of the post is a good point, although I thought AC/DC had been doing the same album for the last 20 years.

AC/DC HAS NOT BEEN DOING THE SAME CD FOR 20 YEARS!!!!!!!! They have been doing the same song for 20 years -ERIC