My First Year as New Journey Manager

[yak]

Oh, and by the way, I was there when Neal lost it with Perrymissing. From his point of view I guess he may have had reason to be upset, but the language and tone of his response was unnecessarily harsh.

Let me get this straight......When "sugar" chooses to be verbally abusive at the drop of a hat, you do a cartwheel and kiss his ass. When Neal says something you consider to be verbally abusive you turn on him. Verbal Abuse is never a good thing and shouldn't be allowed.

Is there a double standard here?

I do believe so, yes!

Steve Perry gets picked apart if he doesn't come across as candid enough in his communications.

Steve Perry has never been, nor will he ever be, candid about anything in his life. The guy lives to be evasive. Or have you never noticed? Selective amnesia for some is sheer bliss.

[Rockindeano]

Way back then is when I realized that Neal should NOT be the spokesperson for the band. Everyone wants to talk to Neal because "Journey is his band" or "Neal has been there since the beginning" or whatever. But somebody else should speak for the band.

Why? Brutal honesty...What the Hell is wrong with that?

We could have the shenanigans of the ROR era, where we were lied to, saying everything was peechhee....we were lucky to get the 4 month tour..

[ohsherrie]

And, I don't believe I specificaly "defended" what Neal said.

I honestly don't remember if you defended it or not Monker. I know there was a VERY heated discussion about it on the VH1 board, and several people from BT came over there and made personal threats towards the Perry fans about it. It was an ugly time and a lot of us were staunchly in our respective corners over it.

[Marabelle]

I've often wondered if by saying nothing he was able to appease most people by talking in generalities. I believe he was elusive and vague purposefully. The man has to have some feelings with regard to things in his life or not in his life. How can anyone exist without passion for something?

[jrnyman28]

Way back then is when I realized that Neal should NOT be the spokesperson for the band. Everyone wants to talk to Neal because "Journey is his band" or "Neal has been there since the beginning" or whatever. But somebody else should speak for the band.

Why? Brutal honesty...What the Hell is wrong with that?

We could have the shenanigans of the ROR era, where we were lied to, saying everything was peechhee....we were lucky to get the 4 month tour..

Well Deano, at the risk of pissing you off, it is the same way I feel about your posting much of the time. I love what you have to say, I agree with most of it, I know your passion.....but the WAY you say it stinks sometimes. And Neal is the same way...he wouldn't know what good PR meant if it bit him in the ass. Honesty is GREAT...why does it need to be brutal?

[Rockindeano]

I've often wondered if by saying nothing he was able to appease most people by talking in generalities. I believe he was elusive and vague purposefully. The man has to have some feelings with regard to things in his life or not in his life. How can anyone exist without passion for something?

I hope you're not talking about Schon....Passion? No, he could care less about music...

[jrnyman28]

BTW Deano, who's body is Howard Stern's face on?

[Marabelle]

I hope you're not talking about Schon....Passion? No, he could care less about music...[/quote]

no i was talkng about steve perry and that's disheartening to believe that schon has no passion for music. i have to believe that there had to be a time when schon was filled with passion.

[Rockindeano]

Dave,

You caught me in a rare mood. I will explain.

On a message board, I cannot see the person, or people I am talking to. Throw in a lot of passion, some growing anger, a feeling of bitterness, more anger, and the emotion just flows from my fingertips. I would never speak to anyone here face to face the way I do here..I would never show so much hostility, however, being that you cannot "read" emotion from typed words, expletives are used from my side of the monitor....

I don't enjoy going off on people, it's just sometimes when someone says something stupid, like Angie barked out last night, she needed an ass whippin, and got it.....

Sorry 28, nothing wrong at all with what Neal said...That particular Head was baiting him..were you there? I was, but strangely, I was afraid to get involved..I have really "grown" in my aggressiveness over the last year or so on message boards...

All of this could have been aleviated if perry would have come public, made a statement or two, and not had lied to us...I don't want to rehash the entire ordeal, but I believe Perry stayed out of the way, and let the band battle it out with his fans doing the work for him..

One more point 28,

Don't you wish that people wouldn't bullshit you so much? Take W...don't you wish when he is caught in a lie, or recently fucked up, that he would just come on the TV and say, "hehehe, I messed up...sorry, I will concentrate on doin' better next time."

What is the problem with TRUTH?

[ohsherrie]

I've often wondered if by saying nothing he was able to appease most people by talking in generalities. I believe he was elusive and vague purposefully. The man has to have some feelings with regard to things in his life or not in his life. How can anyone exist without passion for something?

I think he has plenty of passion, and I think you're right about his trying to "appease most people". He's professional enough to rein in his passion to keep from offending any of the fanbase. He's also intelligent enough to know anyone interested in what he says is the "fanbase" regardless of which side of it they're on. That's what Neal didn't think of when he spouted off.

[Marabelle]

I agree OhSherri...I'm agreeing with most everyone tonight. Neal just seems to be reactive and quite inpulsive while Steve seems to think more logistically and strategicaly. That's just my opinion.

[ohsherrie]

I agree OhSherri...I'm agreeing with most everyone tonight. Neal just seems to be reactive and quite inpulsive while Steve seems to think more logistically and strategicaly. That's just my opinion.

I think you're right about their personality differences. I guess which approach any particular person likes depends on what they expect from people they admire. I prefer the mature, intelligent, diplomatic approach.

[Rockindeano]

so you aren't going to answer me are you Sherrie?

I didn't think so..

O well

[ohsherrie]

so you aren't going to answer me are you Sherrie?

I didn't think so..

O well

I did Dean. It's on the previous page. I quoted you the post that I got it from.

[Rockindeano]

so you aren't going to answer me are you Sherrie?

I didn't think so..

O well

I did Dean. It's on the previous page. I quoted you the post that I got it from.

No, I meant to say this in another thread..the one about "Power struggles" and Perry being so strongarmed." I said you are suffering from Cheyneyitis..meaning you are spinning, and evading the wuestion..just consider yourself getting off due to a technicality.

[ohsherrie]

OK, I must have missed it. I'll check it out.

[Fernando Ramirez]

BTW Deano, who's body is Howard Stern's face on?

Isn't that Ozzy Osbourne circa NO MORE TEARS? Remember? When he lost weight? I swear that's him!

[Fernando Ramirez]

Aww, man, I just read the other thread where OZZY was already mentioned. Sorry.

[jrnyman28]

Dave,

You caught me in a rare mood. I will explain.

Thank you.

On a message board, I cannot see the person, or people I am talking to. Throw in a lot of passion, some growing anger, a feeling of bitterness, more anger, and the emotion just flows from my fingertips. I would never speak to anyone here face to face the way I do here..I would never show so much hostility, however, being that you cannot "read" emotion from typed words, expletives are used from my side of the monitor....

I understand but I do not agree. There are other words that can be used and there are emoticons (as you have had some fun with). That's just me. I like to believe that I would act the same face to face as I do here. I htink people "know me" pretty well based on my actions and words online. I do understand where you are coming from though.

I don't enjoy going off on people, it's just sometimes when someone says something stupid, like Angie barked out last night, she needed an ass whippin, and got it.....

Now I must admit that "enjoyment" is a tough call...but sometimes it does appear that you enjoy posting the way you do. Either way, I always chalk it up to passion, which I commend.

Sorry 28, nothing wrong at all with what Neal said...That particular Head was baiting him..were you there? I was, but strangely, I was afraid to get involved..I have really "grown" in my aggressiveness over the last year or so on message boards...

I agree that Neal was provoked. I agree that he responded in kind, and true to his nature. But I believe outbursts like that hurt the band and that is why I don't think Neal should be the spokesperson for the band.

All of this could have been aleviated if perry would have come public, made a statement or two, and not had lied to us...I don't want to rehash the entire ordeal, but I believe Perry stayed out of the way, and let the band battle it out with his fans doing the work for him..

I agree with this as well. I am unsure whether Perry stays "quiet" in the hopes it would all go away, or to purposely let the fight continue, but some form of statement from Perry would surely have smoothed the way for Journey. It is obvious IMO that Perry would do no such thing.

One more point 28,

Don't you wish that people wouldn't bullshit you so much?

I think I get straight-shooting most of the time. But cutting through the bullshit can still happen without certain behaviours or language. Yes, I wish there was less Bullshit.

Take W...don't you wish when he is caught in a lie, or recently fucked up, that he would just come on the TV and say, "hehehe, I messed up...sorry, I will concentrate on doin' better next time."

Not going there. I stay out of political discussions altogether... But we all know it would be political suicide for a politician at ANY level to "tell the truth".

What is the problem with TRUTH?

I have no problem with the truth and I believe yours and others. But delivery makes many people not listen. How do you expect to get through to someone when they will not listen?

I thank you for your post. I appreciate the manner and the explanation.
No problems here!

[heardonthestreet]

BTW Deano, who's body is Howard Stern's face on?

Isn't that Ozzy Osbourne circa NO MORE TEARS? Remember? When he lost weight? I swear that's him!

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It's Whistlers Mother dressed up as Mona Lisa.

[The_Noble_Cause]

I was on BackTalk when Neal had the altercation with the Perryhead and recomended her to "have a drink, better make it a stiff one"(or something like that) and I assure you, Neal was being leanient on her.
Neal was there, he knows how it went down and accordingly, he is entitled to set people straight when they go about proliferating what he sees as revisionist history.
All these Perrypodpeople want to make Neal out to be the bad guy. I looked up a review of "Generations" the other day on an Amazon.com-type consumer site and the first customer review I come across is some benighted Perrypig yammering, "This is not the real Journey without Perry. It won't be until Neal comes to his senses and lets Perry back in blah blah blah"
Why should Neal sit idly by as these hordes of obssesive obese housewives sully his good name?
Neal was just setting the record straight as is his (and anyones) inalienable right to do so.

[yak]

Why should Neal sit idly by as these hordes of obssesive obese housewives sully his good name?

He shouldn't. And I hope he never does.

One disagreement though, dude, I don't think there are hordes of them.


I am a great respector of women, but some of the gals here need to get a real life, instead of obsessing over a person they don't know and will never meet. Why fight somebody else's battles?

Why not push yourselves away from the keyboard and go out and do something positive for another person?