"A Faded" rock Band...Journey mention

[Rockindeano]

Fuck You, TNC.

I can stand on my own merit with regards to Journey.


Dude, I am as honest as they come....Blow me.

[Jeremey]

Jeremey,

Could you please speak in clearer words? WTF did you just say?

You like to touch yourself to Journey songs? Dude, I love the band more than anyone, but I have yet to feed the geese to Butterfly. I love Faithfully too, but you don't see me tuggin root outdside Starbucks listening to it. My ex wasn't begging for Guy Gravvy when Seperate Ways came on..

Jeremey, are you saying your man tube gets rigid when Believe comes on?


Hahahaha

Nice post dude.. I still have no idea what Butterfly, touching yourself, and driving down the 10 at 3AM have in common...

Dude, I lifted that post almost directly from BackTalk, and altered for our purposes here...When we start to see serious posts resembling this here at the MelodicRock forums, it will truly be time to slowly step away from the computer and run to the closest CVS store to clean out their supply of Maalox.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Fuck You, TNC.

I can stand on my own merit with regards to Journey.

Usually you can, but I don't appreciate being told not to be critical.
If you're gonna be like that, then why don't you appply for your BT moderator membership card right now?

Dude, I am as honest as they come....Blow me.

Clearly you're not if you're trying to silence me for bemoaning the amount of outside writers on 'Arrival'.

[Rockindeano]

I know you did....I was just razzin you.


As a member here, I won't let that happen, as I'm sure NIGGY, 13, NC and 28 wouldn't either.

NO BT gay BT stuff.

[Jeremey]

"Don't give me no back talk, sassy back talk, don't give me no back talk NO!"
- Steve Perry

[Rockindeano]

There's NO way you lifted that from BT..To many "touchy" words....peepee, touching, etc.

You wrote it, now you own it....Jeremy=BT closet fan

[jrnyman28]

Clearly you're not if you're trying to silence me for bemoaning the amount of outside writers on 'Arrival'.

But what's to 'bemoan'? Neal and Jon were waiting for Perry and writing. So they looked for someone to help them where Perry used to! I think that is where Jack came in. He gave Neal someone else to bounce things off of, and I also think it helped him 'rock out' a little more. I think the other writers may have been a Sony recomendation to try and commercialize the Journey product....and I think that was wrong. But neither of these was Journey's "problem". They were working under pretty strict confines since they had the audacity to carry on without Perry!

[The_Noble_Cause]

EDIT: ok, i read the whole thing..obviously a parody, and a fine one at that. Judging by the "man breast" references, I guess you wrote this vicariously as the legendary Frank 'insti-gator' Martinez?

[Jeremey]

I have a heavy case of poster's remorse coming on now. I hope I didn't offend anyone with that BT edited post.

[Rockindeano]

I love how this thread was started by a Head, trying to get her boy into the spotlight, and after about 10 responses, it has turned(quite nicely), to BT gayness, milky breasts, me being a BT brown shirt, bemoaning, and gay jokes...

Much better than anything Perry.

[jrnyman28]

EDIT: ok, i read the whole thing..obviously a parody, and a fine one at that. Judging by the "man breast" references, I guess you wrote this vicariously as the legendary Frank 'insti-gator' Martinez?

Hey now, I've met Frank and he is a great guy. Why would you call him "insta-gator"? If anything, the remark should be directed to Ken "ThisMusicRocks"...

[The_Noble_Cause]

But what's to 'bemoan'? Neal and Jon were waiting for Perry and writing. So they looked for someone to help them where Perry used to!

Not sure that's how it went. Didn't they take time off from Vacation's Over to write music for the album? True, some of the album was written before Augeri's inclusion, but not all of it. Perhaps Andrew knows.

I think that is where Jack came in. He gave Neal someone else to bounce things off of, and I also think it helped him 'rock out' a little more.

Good. Then Neal should form a separate band with Jack.
As good as their collaborations turned out, if you're gonna be a band, BE a band.

I think the other writers may have been a Sony recomendation to try and commercialize the Journey product....and I think that was wrong.

Yes, I believe I recall a quote where Kalodner recommended certain people for Neal and Jon to go write with. Terrible idea. I don't care how good the end-result was, I want my music actually written by the band. If I wanted music sung/played by the artist but composed by outsiders, I'd go listen to Britney Spears.

But neither of these was Journey's "problem". They were working under pretty strict confines since they had the audacity to carry on without Perry!

You don't know that, Dave, and the snails pace at which they are releasing new material is a red flag to me that something is rotten in the state of Denmark. I just don't think the chemistry is there and if it is, they've yet to take the time to discover it.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Hey now, I've met Frank and he is a great guy. Why would you call him "insta-gator"? If anything, the remark should be directed to Ken "ThisMusicRocks"...

Dude, stop splitting man-breast hairs.
They are both top heavy men with areolas the size of cheese wheels.

[Rockindeano]

NC, you complain because I am a cheerleader, yet you criticize everything, and you're flat wrong.

How can the chemistry not be there, if Generations was very good. Dude, the chemistry is fine.

[Rockindeano]

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Dude, stop splitting man-breast hairs.
They are both top heavy men with areolas the size of cheese wheels.

Stop it...just stop....I have tears running down my face.....stop!

[Rockindeano]

Frank gave himself the insti-gator name..Hell, look at his pic.

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c85/K ... kGator.jpg

How they worked Wally Gators lower half into a BT photo is beyond me..The only thing missing is a wad of cash falling out of his pockets, err, scales..

[The_Noble_Cause]

How can the chemistry not be there, if Generations was very good. Dude, the chemistry is fine.

The chemistry between Cain and Schon is in-tact. That's never been an issue. But I don't think there really is a fruitful working partnership between Augeri, Schon, and Cain-together.. the way there was between Perry/Cain/Schon. The fecundity of that creative triumvirate was unmatched!
Two of Augeri's contributions were done all by himself.
The only track that really has that Perry/Schon chemistry to me is Beyond the Clouds.
The rest of the tunes I accredit to the magic of Cain and Schon.
I don't believe what Neal has said and I don't think this lineup has gelled in terms of writing songs together.
I'm not the only one with similar concersn. Heck, Andrew even asked Augeri a similar question, inquiring "One question I had for you that you have touched on there – is it frustrating for you trying to break into that Schon/Cain writing partnership?"

[Rockindeano]

Yeah, I get what you are saying.


However, The Triumvirate was great, but not all the time..In fact, you can have the triumvirate in its latter years...ROR and TBF. I would rather have the exacta of Cain and Schon, and a little Augeri mixed in..makes for a better song. Gens and Arrival are a Helluva lot better than ROR and TBF..

[PROPERRY]

Deano,

I wasn't bashing the band.

And hey, if 20 more years go by without anything new from Perrry, that is alright, I'll just continue to keep on listening & enjoying ALL the spectacular music that Perry has already given to the fans.

Goddam..THAT sounds fantastic.....

"To live in the past, is to die in the past." Have a great time..in the past.

Deano,

It's NOT living in th past, it's just LOVING the music, no matter how old the music is.

Lori

[Rockindeano]

Go away Lori...I for don't give a shit if you need to validate your prehistoric thinking. How about sppinning O Sherrie this morning? Yeah! For the millionth time...you go girl.

We are talking about something relevent here..Perry is not relevent anylonger.

[jrnyman28]

But what's to 'bemoan'? Neal and Jon were waiting for Perry and writing. So they looked for someone to help them where Perry used to!

Not sure that's how it went. Didn't they take time off from Vacation's Over to write music for the album? True, some of the album was written before Augeri's inclusion, but not all of it. Perhaps Andrew knows.

I got the impression Jon and Neal did most of the writing before-hand, but I am sure there was still some work to be done. Otherwise Steve would not have ANY credit.

I think that is where Jack came in. He gave Neal someone else to bounce things off of, and I also think it helped him 'rock out' a little more.

Good. Then Neal should form a separate band with Jack.
As good as their collaborations turned out, if you're gonna be a band, BE a band.

There was talk of a Schon/Blades project for a while...
There collaborations are very good, but didn't you also complain that the material Neal wrote "for" SS/PlanetUS should/could have been Journey material? Or maybe I am cnfused and you said that the material should not have been used for Journey and they should have worked on actual Journey material together as Journey. But I think you can see how it can be Journey material regardless of where it was intended. Once the other members of the band put their "stamp" on it, it becomes Journey music. I think, in some ways, using other writers can provide a spark and a freshness. Would you rather have stale music written by the band only, or something fresh that had some outside contribution?

I think the other writers may have been a Sony recomendation to try and commercialize the Journey product....and I think that was wrong.

Yes, I believe I recall a quote where Kalodner recommended certain people for Neal and Jon to go write with. Terrible idea. I don't care how good the end-result was, I want my music actually written by the band. If I wanted music sung/played by the artist but composed by outsiders, I'd go listen to Britney Spears.

I agree completely in idea. But as long as the band is still involved with the writing, I do not mind outside contribution. As I said, I don't want 'stale' material from just the band.

But neither of these was Journey's "problem". They were working under pretty strict confines since they had the audacity to carry on without Perry!

You don't know that, Dave, and the snails pace at which they are releasing new material is a red flag to me that something is rotten in the state of Denmark. I just don't think the chemistry is there and if it is, they've yet to take the time to discover it.

I do know that Jourey was working under strict confines from Sony. JDK picked all the material based on what he wanted. I would imagine that is also a reason there was writing after the Vacation's Over Tour. It is true that there may be some chemistry issues, but I think it has more to do with desire. I still think the guys are unfocussed. They seem to be writing more as individuals than as a group. Whether that is from chemistry together or geography/desire is hard to say. I think everyone is pretty talented, they get ideas, they put them together and (someday) approach the other members. Then Journey seems to throw it together (spontineity/energy) instead of fleshing it out. I think it is their 'business model' that is flawed right now, not their chemistry.

[jrnyman28]

Hey now, I've met Frank and he is a great guy. Why would you call him "insta-gator"? If anything, the remark should be directed to Ken "ThisMusicRocks"...

Dude, stop splitting man-breast hairs.
They are both top heavy men with areolas the size of cheese wheels.

Oh man, I did not need THAT visual!!

[jrnyman28]

How can the chemistry not be there, if Generations was very good. Dude, the chemistry is fine.

Because Steve wrote stuff by himself and it was generally untouched. Jon came in at the end and wrote a bunch of stuff himself. Neal brought tracks that were intended for PlanetUS and a cover song. I see why TNC thinks it is chemistry. However, I think some of it has to do with Geography and desire. They work apart. And the desire did not seem to be for Journey at the time.

Frank gave himself the insti-gator name..Hell, look at his pic.

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c85/K ... kGator.jpg

How they worked Wally Gators lower half into a BT photo is beyond me..The only thing missing is a wad of cash falling out of his pockets, err, scales..

I missed that! Fair enough on the instagator. But he really is a great guy...

[jrnyman28]

How can the chemistry not be there, if Generations was very good. Dude, the chemistry is fine.

The chemistry between Cain and Schon is in-tact. That's never been an issue. But I don't think there really is a fruitful working partnership between Augeri, Schon, and Cain-together.. the way there was between Perry/Cain/Schon.

Again, I still think some of that is geography. And the interests were not in writing for Journey (this time around).

The fecundity of that creative triumvirate was unmatched!

What?

[Rockindeano]

I know what you mean 28.. I need dictionary.com handy to dissect his posts...He needs to understand that there is a place for words like that, and MR.com isn't one of the,. Frankly, I know of no place where fecundity could be used naturally, except maybe in a Harvard cafeteria.

[The_Noble_Cause]

There was talk of a Schon/Blades project for a while...
There collaborations are very good, but didn't you also complain that the material Neal wrote "for" SS/PlanetUS should/could have been Journey material? Or maybe I am cnfused and you said that the material should not have been used for Journey and they should have worked on actual Journey material together as Journey.

Neal wrote over 20 melodies and brought some of them initially to Sammy and then (once PlanetUS went poof!) he brought them to JSS. JSS completed them lyrically. Those melodies should've been given to Jon Cain. He polished two SoulSirkus rejects (Out of Harms Way, Faith in the Heartland) into two of the best songs on the Generations album. Just imagine what Jon could've done with all the other Neal material that was mis-spent on SS?

Would you rather have stale music written by the band only, or something fresh that had some outside contribution?

Why would it be stale? Augeri has been in the band for 8 years and has contributed very little. The creative well should not be dry already-they've hardly tapped it!
Collaboration in moderation is ok, i agree, but when it's across the board the way it was on Arrival - that's a problem.
Besides, there wasn't any outsider influence necessary for SS. How come? They wrote a whole album in under a month.
For Journey, it's TAKEN YEARS.

I do know that Jourey was working under strict confines from Sony. JDK picked all the material based on what he wanted. I would imagine that is also a reason there was writing after the Vacation's Over Tour. It is true that there may be some chemistry issues, but I think it has more to do with desire. I still think the guys are unfocussed. They seem to be writing more as individuals than as a group. Whether that is from chemistry together or geography/desire is hard to say. I think everyone is pretty talented, they get ideas, they put them together and (someday) approach the other members. Then Journey seems to throw it together (spontineity/energy) instead of fleshing it out. I think it is their 'business model' that is flawed right now, not their chemistry.

Perhaps. No Herbie-esque slave driver with a whip to their backs driving them along anymore.

[The_Noble_Cause]

The fecundity of that creative triumvirate was unmatched!

What?

Which part seems to be the problem?

Fecundity means prolificness, and triumvirate is a pairing of three. So I am saying that the creative musical output by the three-person-team of Perry/Cain/Schon is unmatched.
Is everyone ok, now?
...dumb shits

[Rockindeano]

is a pairing of three.

A PAIRING of three?

Who is the dumbshit? Pairs are groups of 2.. Hahahahahaha

Here ya go, genius:

1. Two corresponding persons or items, similar in form or function and matched or associated: a pair of shoes.
2. One object composed of two joined, similar parts that are dependent upon each other: a pair of pliers.
3.
1. Two persons who are married, engaged, or dating.
2. Two persons who have something in common and are considered together: a pair of hunters.
3. Two mated animals.
4. Two animals joined together in work.
4. Games. Two playing cards of the same denomination.
5. Two members of a deliberative body with opposing opinions on a given issue who agree to abstain from voting on the issue, thereby offsetting each other.
6. Chemistry. An electron pair.


v. paired, pair·ing, pairs
v. tr.

1. To arrange in sets of two; couple.
2. To join in a pair; mate.
3. To provide a partner for.


v. intr.

1. To form pairs or a pair.
2. To join in marriage; mate.

[The_Noble_Cause]

[Fernando Ramirez]

This has got to be the funniest thread ever. I have never laughed out loud so many times.

I'm wondering why Deano and Noble don't already have an HBO show? There's money to be made there... and all you have to do is sit them down next to each other, and turn on the video cameras.