Name Journey's biggest mistake ever?

[Abitaman]

ANDREW, I hardly ever ever ever complain about anyone, but she has got to go-ERIC

[Rockindeano]

ANDREW, I hardly ever ever ever complain about anyone, but she has got to go-ERIC

If Father ERIC says to move on, I say kick that bitch to the curb Andrew.

Andrew, think about it. If you erase the excrement, your board will be a lot nicer. Simply ban her computer. Dude, they banned my computer from all 6 Perry sites. Ban her ass.

I am sure Espee cannot possibly be proud of his army of bitches.

[Abitaman]

Back to this threads topic...........

JOURNEY's biggest mistake. Having people like Sexxmofo doing, saying, even lipsinging there songs, or saying that someone like her likes anyone in the band.-ERIC

[jrnyman28]

Dude, they banned my computer from all 6 Perry sites.

Ya know, I was threatened of being banned at Perryville because "NO Criticism of Perry is allowed". I only asked a couple of questions in threads already started by others on the board. I did not argue, attack or even "bait" anyone.

But I have nothing against the owners of Perryville, I actually like them. I have an email asking me to "represent Neal" in a "court" where both sides could present their arguments. I liked the idea, just didn't have the time to participate. But I do not like what is allowed to go on in the forums. And for THAT, I left.

[Rockindeano]

Back to this threads topic...........

JOURNEY's biggest mistake. Having people like Sexxmofo doing, saying, even lipsinging there songs, or saying that someone like her likes anyone in the band.-ERIC

ERIC, I love youdude, I really do. However, can you send me your password, so I may go in and edit your posts. Sometimes I can't understand if you're speaking English or Saint Bernard.

FYI- it's lipsyncing not lipsinging.

I REALLY THINK YOU ARE THE GREATEST FUCKING GUY ON HERE THOUGH.

[perryfaithful]

Dude, they banned my computer from all 6 Perry sites.

Ya know, I was threatened of being banned at Perryville because "NO Criticism of Perry is allowed". I only asked a couple of questions in threads already started by others on the board. I did not argue, attack or even "bait" anyone.

But I have nothing against the owners of Perryville, I actually like them. I have an email asking me to "represent Neal" in a "court" where both sides could present their arguments. I liked the idea, just didn't have the time to participate. But I do not like what is allowed to go on in the forums. And for THAT, I left.

the OWNER of Perryville scammed members so she could read their private messages. Beware, not a good person and it does not matter WHOSE name your site is dedicated to.

[Abitaman]

Back to this threads topic...........

JOURNEY's biggest mistake. Having people like Sexxmofo doing, saying, even lipsinging there songs, or saying that someone like her likes anyone in the band.-ERIC

ERIC, I love youdude, I really do. However, can you send me your password, so I may go in and edit your posts. Sometimes I can't understand if you're speaking English or Saint Bernard.

FYI- it's lipsyncing not lipsinging.

I REALLY THINK YOU ARE THE GREATEST FUCKING GUY ON HERE THOUGH.

It is from speaking Tenneessean, Hillbilly, Cajun-Eric

[Rockindeano]

Dude, they banned my computer from all 6 Perry sites.

Ya know, I was threatened of being banned at Perryville because "NO Criticism of Perry is allowed". I only asked a couple of questions in threads already started by others on the board. I did not argue, attack or even "bait" anyone.

But I have nothing against the owners of Perryville, I actually like them. I have an email asking me to "represent Neal" in a "court" where both sides could present their arguments. I liked the idea, just didn't have the time to participate. But I do not like what is allowed to go on in the forums. And for THAT, I left.

That's Andrews' fault. Andrew allows and even encourages free speech. I know he can't possibly like us warring daily, but then again, he only admonishes those severely deserving an exit. ie, OA and JT. Heck, I would rather have those two spooners(they are the same dude), than these people.

Andrew, I know you can't possibly read this board daily, but may I suggest assigning Ruby Tequilia or someone full time to this board. Obviously, this is the big kahuna(no pun intended), and the busiest, most bitter, and also more agenda driven than Sally Smothers chowing down Mars bars in front of starving sand rats, aka Feed the Children.

YOU need to do something. I know Andrew wants his interview with Espee, but if you think stopping the fighting is going to get you one, I feel you are wrong in your thought.

Steve P can't possibly read this and smile. He is not that bad a guy. Seriously, there is no way Perry could encourage this, even in his own mind.

So, 28, 13, NIGGY, TNC, Amaron, Yak, Cubby, Jeremy,Greggie(drop the ie dude), probably feel the way I do, they just have a lot more tact in their replies(except TNC..that dude breathes fire at anyone). I am man enough to say it, Andrew. You think I would be so pissed and angry if buttons weren't being pushed?

Andrew, "Team Dean" has nowhere else to post objectively; Backtalk is ok, but it is not objective(I need to get 28 out of there and de-feminize him ), but all the Perry Boards are so nasty, they make me look like a cute dalmation eating cherry ice cream while riding atop a white carriage. Just nasty, hateful, and they cheer for injury, and death. yep, I am a topic on two of the sites, and they are hoping I lose to cancer.


Think about it Andrew. You have the BEST site in the music industry. I am the last one to tell you how to run your site, but think about it.....If you eliminate the disease, all will be good, and Prince perry may come knockin.'

Deano, --OUT

[Monker]

Just a piece of advice...

If you want to argue with mofo - do it in the Perry forum. Why let those posts affect this forum at all? The more you reply to it here the more you drag THIS forum down...

You know, I thought we made a truce...I gave you the entire perry Board to which you are free to, and I'm sure, destroy.

Why must you come over here and try to do the same?


We get it. We know you HATE the current lineup. We know you hate Steve Augeri. We know the band is shit without Perry. We know Steve perry is GOD..


Andrew, what's it going to take? Seriously. Enough.

Unless you want Me to go ballistic, do some fucking thing.....Please.

If Andrew doesn't, I will. You aren't going to come in here and cut down my band, without a fight. No way.

I am sorry that I apologized to you.

Yes everyone, I PM'ed her, and sincerely apologized.

[jrnyman28]

the OWNER of Perryville scammed members so she could read their private messages. Beware, not a good person and it does not matter WHOSE name your site is dedicated to.

Maybe I am not thinking of the right person, who did all that? And is that why there was a forum split?

[jrnyman28]

Steve P can't possibly read this and smile. He is not that bad a guy. Seriously, there is no way Perry could encourage this, even in his own mind.

100% agree. How 'these people' can feel good about themselves, and thing Perry appreciates what they do is beyond me!!

(I need to get 28 out of there and de-feminize him ),

Not going to happen my friend!

but all the Perry Boards are so nasty, they make me look like a cute dalmation eating cherry ice cream while riding atop a white carriage. Just nasty, hateful, and they cheer for injury, and death. yep, I am a topic on two of the sites, and they are hoping I lose to cancer.

Isn't it crazy how they can justify themselves?! All this over a man who essentially WALKED AWAY!!

[jrnyman28]

Just a piece of advice...

If you want to argue with mofo - do it in the Perry forum. Why let those posts affect this forum at all? The more you reply to it here the more you drag THIS forum down...

I understand where you are coming from Monker. But first, it will look like "we" are the trouble makers. And second, it will look like the Perry Forum is actually a popular place, getting hits. It's a toss-up...and I doubt it will be contained to "one board" anyway. This is already JUST LIKE VH1! I posted that this would happen the first day I saw the Perry Board...(now I sound a little like you Monker! )

[amaron]

IMO, Journey's biggest mistake was not trying to get a label after leaving $ony.

[Vladan]

Please don't let this topic head down the usual path....

Haha.

Hi there,

In my opinion, Journey's biggest mistake was getting rid of Steve Smith & Ross Valory back in 1985/86.

Journeytroll

If anything thats what I can think of (it wasn't very nice, and I think Perry regrets that aswell). Theres always going to be mistakes made, thats just people though.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Ha, with a wait...... what did the MEDIA call your replacement... Oh yeah,
a C grade SOUND A LIKE

How on earth the held opinion(s) of one reviewer out in Bumblefuck gets converted to that of ALL of the media, I will never know.
Mofo, you are being intellectually dishonest.

[gr8dane]

And more ha ha.Journeys biggest mistake was hiring Steve P.Yes they made gazillions ,but the first 3 records are the best musically.With SP they became SOHHHHHH mainstream and predictable.Infinity was somewhat OK ,but the one with 'Loving Touching Squeezing ' was pure pepto.Then came the live album ,where they made sure everybody knew they were being recorded for a live album.Scuse me while I go and barf.
After that I gave up.

[Rockindeano]

Are you fucking stupid or retarded?

I think God screwed up when it came to you..Maybe it was Quality control..Should have sent your sorry ass back to the dumpster.

[jrnyman28]

Hey Deano, I know several people who did not like the addition of Perry to the group. They became casual listeners instead of Journey fans. it happens.

Sure, hiring Perry was a blessing in so many ways. But we have also seen why it was not a good thing in a few as well.

[Rockindeano]

28, I wasn't critiquing the argument, it's just the entire chronologic order is incorrect, "the one with LTS" "pepto" and "the live next" was wrong. Seems dude, makes up new words, "pepto" and forgets about departure.

Just sounded fricking dumb.

Come on, I understand not everyone having to check spelling and grammar, but some of these posts look to be "written" by 4 yr olds.

[cudaclan]

The consensus I have reasoned from numerous Journey forums is that Smith & Valory’s removal was not warranted. This decision was primarily that of Steve Perry. This was disclosed in VH1’s BTM series. Perry regrets that decision and states so. I have yet to find anyone to support this decision as appropriate ethically and in support for Journey’s (new) direction. Schon’s decision to perform a non-Journey song (S&H’s No More Lies) was not good practice. Still, he was asked if he would incorporate another side project (SS) as a pre-concert band for Journey’s venues. There was/is numerous conflicting reports regarding that scenario. Herbert’s release from the reformed Journey (93) was another direction of “severing” the past. The bitterness of the past may have succumbed with time. I can’t comprehend why a line has been drawn between the fan-base of Journey. Was it you that was dealt the “blow”? The entertainment industry is ruthless. I care not to know of its dark side. Rock'ndeano, if I had heeded Sally Struthers wisdom, I could have had a rewarding career (degree) in brain surgery, in the convenience of my home, in forty days.

[Rockindeano]

The consensus I have reasoned from numerous Journey forums is that Smith & Valory’s removal was not warranted. This decision was primarily that of Steve Perry.

I would think most would of course agree with this. It's a no brainer, however, this is more than a black and white scenario. Perry firing Smith and Valory was of course deplorable and outright wrong. I don't see how someone can do that, especially when he "never felt part of the band" in the first place. But, if Smith and Ross can let it go, I certainly can too. I must say that I blame Neal and Jon here as well. How can those two sit there while this shit was pulled? Ok, so they trusted Perry to drive the bus, and trusted he would be right. Well, ROR was a crappy record, and momentum alone allowed it to sell platinum. I think Neal and Jon both probably wishes now they could have that time period back for a "do over."

Schon’s decision to perform a non-Journey song (S&H’s No More Lies) was not good practice. Still, he was asked if he would incorporate another side project (SS) as a pre-concert band for Journey’s venues. There was/is numerous conflicting reports regarding that scenario.

You lost me here. "No More Lies" was done in 1983. You lost me with the SS reference. Are you meaning "SoulSirkus?" I don't think Neal doing ONE song was all bad.......Perry ended up doing O Sherrie, Foolish Heart, Strung Out, and Don't Fight It. That was fair, eh?

Herbert’s release from the reformed Journey (93) was another direction of “severing” the past.

I wouldn't say that. As it turned out, the past wouldn't matter anyway. Perry KNEW that there wasn't going to be a TBF tour. I believe he fired HH as a sign of a power play. By the way, who the Hell gave Perry, a guy who didn't feel like part of the Band, all this power?

I can’t comprehend why a line has been drawn between the fan-base of Journey. Was it you that was dealt the “blow”?

Damn right we were. You yourself said it earlier in this post. The ROR firing of two "brothers" and the entire calculated TBF ordeal was a backhanded slap to not only Neal and Jon, but to us, the fans. The line is drawn by the "other side" because they are spinning the facts, spinning the story." They refuse to understand nor flatly see that Perry decided to quit, yet they hate Neal and Jon for moving on. They were wrong in 1996/98, and are still wrong today. That's why there is a line in the sand. One train is going forward at 60 mph, and the other is still stopped in the station for 10 years, and it's passengers are getting restless seeing us get smaller and smaller as we disappear out of sight.

Rock'ndeano, if I had heeded Sally Struthers wisdom, I could have had a rewarding career (degree) in brain surgery, in the convenience of my home, in forty days.

Yeah, I know

[cudaclan]

If there is an amicable agreement to perform side project material between all members, go for it. If there is resistance, respect it. It is from respect that Schon performs Hendrix. To the industry and fan-base, it may be interpreted as I have “another” (SS) on the side and I don’t need you (Journey). SS is in reference to SoulSirkus. JSS performing Journey covers (in SS concerts) was stepping out-of-bounds. Schon was advised by HH not perform No More Lies. Listen to management. Did Perry perform his solo career songs in Journey performances? I am certain HH’s release from (reformed) Journey was of Perry’s decision. These decisions are not made (entirely) by one member completely. Yes, it was a deliberate display of control on Perry’s behalf. Herbert was probably the only person who would confront Perry. The rest of the members could of contended, but they chose to proceed. I presume the appeal of (financial) Journey out-weighted gratitude. Yes, the members were still viable in their forthright, but Journey was still prominent. I am aware of the frustration and bitterness (fan-base) with the absence of Journey (10 year hiatus). Yes, the blame-game continues. I am placid regarding this issue. I have refrained from making statements about the pro-Perry forums, but they are not rational about their comments. This industry is similar to a marriage. Some find their true soul mate for life. Still, others remain together in a platonic relationship. Eventually, one (admittedly) will acknowledge past mistakes and come to terms with themselves. Time has a way of healing.

[Rockindeano]

JSS performing Journey covers (in SS concerts) was stepping out-of-bounds.

Why? It's out of respect, as you say. They were lacking enough material to play 90 mins.

Schon was advised by HH not perform No More Lies

.

Not calling you a liar, but did he really say that?

Did Perry perform his solo career songs in Journey performances?

Yes, sometimes 4 per night. And that pissed me off. The songs perry performed were crap. They could have played 4 JOURNEY songs instead, all better than OSherrie and Strung Out crap. That was the beginning of the end right there.

I am certain HH’s release from (reformed) Journey was of Perry’s decision.

There's no question. it is documented.

These decisions are not made (entirely) by one member completely.

This one was. The other 2 simply went along with it.


Yes, it was a deliberate display of control on Perry’s behalf. Herbert was probably the only person who would confront Perry. The rest of the members could of contended, but they chose to proceed. I presume the appeal of (financial) Journey out-weighted gratitude.

100% agree.

I am placid regarding this issue.

You're the only one I know of.

I have refrained from making statements about the pro-Perry forums, but they are not rational about their comments.

Ya think? Seriously, they are deranged.

[gr8dane]

28, I wasn't critiquing the argument, it's just the entire chronologic order is incorrect, "the one with LTS" "pepto" and "the live next" was wrong. Seems dude, makes up new words, "pepto" and forgets about departure.

Just sounded fricking dumb.

Come on, I understand not everyone having to check spelling and grammar, but some of these posts look to be "written" by 4 yr olds.

Actually I am 5.Pepto as in bismol.
Live next, as in the one I heard after.
I am sorry if I do not happen to like what you praise so highly.
To you everybody who disagree with you are retards it seems.
I did not hear departure because I had given up on them.