Overrated Journey songs

[jrnyman28]

Also, [b]if [/b]Neal and Jon agreed to use Augeri's songs thinking they were sub-par, it was because there was little time to complete the album due to the SS tour that Neal was about to start rehearsing for, as well as the need to push the album through production in order to be ready for the start of the tour rather than feeling any obligation to SA, imo. Under normal circumstances, I don't see them being more likely to use an Augeri song they hate anymore than they would feel obliged to use one of Ross's, assuming he ever presents any material, last time may have been DAD.
Lastly, (not in response to TNC) that's not the first monotonous piano lick Jon ever played, but I'll have to pull out Arrival and see if Steve possibly wrote that too.

Good points!

[lshphrd]

Lights, don;t stop believin,
never really got Open arms and I'll be alright without you until I heard Steve Augeri sing them

[TRAGChick]

Yup. yup.
Preach it, brotherman!
Especially, Believe.
Cain must've been aghast when Augeri showed that to him.
No chorus, no bridge...just a big pile of monotonous shit.

Like my ten year old cousin incessantly hitting a keyboard with a tinker toy. Just one damned keyboard part heard again and again and again until u r compelled to hit 'skip' (or else suffer the fatal consequences of ur head spontaneously imploding ala Scanners).

Thanks for this.....LMAO!

My answer for this post is: WYLAW

Sorry....don't see the point.....

[gr8dane]

Overated,Lovin' touchin' squeeesin' fershure.

Yeah, but it's about cheating bitches, and has to stay as a reminder for all of us who have been assraped in the wallet, by all those gold-digging whores.

Fuck! I hate wives.

How many you got sunshine??

[lshphrd]

I've got a monotonous piano lick for you.

Who's Cryin' Now.

Personally I think on this go round they took contributions from everybody, good, bad or in between and picked the best from each. If this means a Jon song that's better than Believe got left off, they probably figured it was okay because of that Neal song that got cut in favor of GC.

The direction of this record really was different. And Believe isn't THAT bad a song, come on.

I am going to have to agree with you. I don;t think Beleive is that bad of a song. I think that the songs on Tall Stories were very strong as far as songwriting and melody and chorus. I ahve to agree I am not sure about Live and Breathe. I like the begining of it, It loses me soemwhere after
that,. I remember reading soemwhere that Neal and Jack Blades had
written Kiss Me softly and sent it to Steve and he rewrote part of it.
Steve co-wrote Faith in the heartland also and I think that is a strong song. I am sure even thought the band is democracy Neal and Jon have mroe of a say in the songs that make the cd, I don;t see how they would have put something on the cd just to make Steve happy if they didn;t
like or think it was a good song. Neal said in the Kpoi interview that Steve was an accomplished guitar player and he was playing on the cd and tour. I think they are still feeling out what his talents are and
songwriting. The fans are used a certain kind of songs and I think
Steve in all fiarness needs a chance to use his talents and
songwritintg to find that balance. I donlt see Neal and Jon
just going along with anything just to make Steve happy.
I think the guy has talent it just needs to be nourished.
They cut alot of songs after the firsrt part of the tour. Mostly due to fan
pressure.

[Red13JoePa]

They did excise a lot of Generations material after the first few shows. I'd sit through "Donna Please" 20 times in a row to have the soundboard from nights 1 or 2.
Deano will be able to confirm I think they played at LEAST 7 Gens. tracks night 1 in Irvine, CA including Believe and Butterfly...

[Rockindeano]

They did excise a lot of Generations material after the first few shows. I'd sit through "Donna Please" 20 times in a row to have the soundboard from nights 1 or 2.
Deano will be able to confirm I think they played at LEAST 7 Gens. tracks night 1 in Irvine, CA including Believe and Butterfly...

I always thought they played 7..TPIYH, FITH, EG, OOHW, ISD, Butterfly, GC, and TNC has made it clear, and proved they also played Believe.

[The_Noble_Cause]

I think that the songs on Tall Stories were very strong as far as songwriting and melody and chorus.

I agree. Tall Stories is fantastic. Which is partially why I hold Believe in such low, low esteem. Tall Stories set the bar too high, perhaps. Don't get me wrong I like all of Augeri's collaborative efforts (BT, FITH, BTC) but his solo credits have been dismal.

[lshphrd]

They did excise a lot of Generations material after the first few shows. I'd sit through "Donna Please" 20 times in a row to have the soundboard from nights 1 or 2.
Deano will be able to confirm I think they played at LEAST 7 Gens. tracks night 1 in Irvine, CA including Believe and Butterfly...

I'd sit through Kevin Cronin's playboy mansion story 20 times to see
and hear them do butterfly and beleive live.
I would liske to see Steve write something along the line of crawling back
and wild on the run for Journey. He needs to stretch out alittle and write some rockers.
some good songs on arrival however too many ballads.

[lshphrd]

Then again if the "official" website were more focused on the music and a way to download and hear samples, people would "know" the newer songs
and would not be bored and go for a beer and snack when they do
them live.
They are so worried about people taping and booting their shows.
Give us a live dvd or download on the site and we would be happy and
not have to resort to looking for boots.
People looked at me funny at the end of the tour because they
didn;t recognoze the generations and arrival songs.
People think Journey is just open arms and faithfully.
I think Edge of the Blade and better together and state of grace rock.

[Rockindeano]

It's not that easy catlady. There is a reason you don't see dvd's. Ever once thought that they don't sound good?

This was not one of Augeri's finer years. He had a bad year, to put it mildly. In fact, he flatout sucked; on every show..not just one here or one there, EVERY one of them.

My money says you will NEVER see Dallas.

[Argus]

It's not that easy catlady. There is a reason you don't see dvd's. Ever once thought that they don't sound good?

This was not one of Augeri's finer years. He had a bad year, to put it mildly. In fact, he flatout sucked; on every show..not just one here or one there, EVERY one of them.

My money says you will NEVER see Dallas.

And you would know this how? I'm waiting for all my questions to be answered bucko.

[Rockindeano]

It's not that easy catlady. There is a reason you don't see dvd's. Ever once thought that they don't sound good?

This was not one of Augeri's finer years. He had a bad year, to put it mildly. In fact, he flatout sucked; on every show..not just one here or one there, EVERY one of them.

My money says you will NEVER see Dallas.

And you would know this how? I'm waiting for all my questions to be answered bucko.

You know I can't comment. tell ya what ace, IF Dallas sees a shelf, I will buy it for you. If after 2 yrs, and still no dvd, you send me a 12ver of Molson Canadians. Deal?

[jrnyjetster]

It's not that easy catlady. There is a reason you don't see dvd's. Ever once thought that they don't sound good?

This was not one of Augeri's finer years. He had a bad year, to put it mildly. In fact, he flatout sucked; on every show..not just one here or one there, EVERY one of them.

My money says you will NEVER see Dallas.

Geesh...Deano, you've had a hard on for Augeri lately...I saw them twice last year and Augeri definitely did NOT suck!

[NoMoreTails]

Augeri was absolutely incredible at the shows I saw this year. I'm sure some nights were better than others but from what I heard this was his best year by far.

[lshphrd]

Augeri was absolutely incredible at the shows I saw this year. I'm sure some nights were better than others but from what I heard this was his best year by far.

He certainly was at the shows that I saw. I am going to have to agree with you

[lshphrd]

first of all, the man warms up all day for a show. It si very hard on a singer to do that and then have to not sing for the first 45 minutes of the first set,.
If you read the melodic rock generations interview, Jonathan Cain stated Steve had some problems the begining of the tour, He also stated in the itervierw he had a "health" problem and had to see his doctor.
The man has asthma.
when I put my clothes in the washer I expect them to come out the same way everytime Why? because it is a machine. The man is HUMAN.
I have heard Jon , neal and the others have a bad nite also.
Perry has had bad nites also,
It amazesme the people who don;t see that and the second he hits a bad note they are ready to crucify Augeri. That coupled with Perry being at the hwof, everyone is ready to attack Augeri.
The guy has done nothing except give 100% if not more to everything
he does.
Everyone has their opinions and right to choose. Why is it that he has to be attacked if someone doenot like him.

[Abitaman]

first of all, the man warms up all day for a show. It si very hard on a singer to do that and then have to not sing for the first 45 minutes of the first set,.
If you read the melodic rock generations interview, Jonathan Cain stated Steve had some problems the begining of the tour, He also stated in the itervierw he had a "health" problem and had to see his doctor.
The man has asthma.
when I put my clothes in the washer I expect them to come out the same way everytime Why? because it is a machine. The man is HUMAN.
I have heard Jon , neal and the others have a bad nite also.
Perry has had bad nites also,
It amazesme the people who don;t see that and the second he hits a bad note they are ready to crucify Augeri. That coupled with Perry being at the hwof, everyone is ready to attack Augeri.
The guy has done nothing except give 100% if not more to everything
he does.
Everyone has their opinions and right to choose. Why is it that he has to be attacked if someone doenot like him.

Preach on!! Thank you Catlady, could not have been said any better-ERIC

[Rockindeano]

Preach on!! Thank you Catlady, could not have been said any better-ERIC

You know you're right, you probably couldn't.

[lshphrd]

first of all, the man warms up all day for a show. It si very hard on a singer to do that and then have to not sing for the first 45 minutes of the first set,.
If you read the melodic rock generations interview, Jonathan Cain stated Steve had some problems the begining of the tour, He also stated in the itervierw he had a "health" problem and had to see his doctor.
The man has asthma.
when I put my clothes in the washer I expect them to come out the same way everytime Why? because it is a machine. The man is HUMAN.
I have heard Jon , neal and the others have a bad nite also.
Perry has had bad nites also,
It amazesme the people who don;t see that and the second he hits a bad note they are ready to crucify Augeri. That coupled with Perry being at the hwof, everyone is ready to attack Augeri.
The guy has done nothing except give 100% if not more to everything
he does.
Everyone has their opinions and right to choose. Why is it that he has to be attacked if someone doenot like him.

Preach on!! Thank you Catlady, could not have been said any better-ERIC

You are very wlecome. I have 4 dvds from 2005 and with the exception of some vocal problems Steve Augeri has on one, the others he sounded
incredible. Even on the older songs, like escape.
I just donlt see why Steve Augeri has to be attacked for having a bad nite or hitting a bad note. The first 2 times I saw them do place in your heart
Neal was way off on the guitar part between the first chorus and second verse. By the greek htough it sounded awesome.
I have seen them with Perry before also, I have heard him have bad nites also. I just don;lt see the point in attacking him and outting him down just because I like Steve Augeri.
To each his own. Knowing the history and legacy of the band, and music I really don;lt see Jon and Neal hiring or trusting Steve Augeri if they honestly didn;t think he could do the job and do it as well as he does

[DarrenUK]

Lovin, Touchin for me too.....always disliked that with the blues intro to it...


There are songs that should be in the set like

Livin To Do
Message Of Love
When You Love A Woman could replace Open Arms as the main ballad
Remember Me