Herbie re-interviewed!

[The_Noble_Cause]

I've been petitioning Andrew to do this for quite some time now.
Fortunately, one of Drew's rivals, classicrockrevisited.com, recognized the brilliance in the idea and went ahead and re-interviewed the always outspoken Herbie.

Read on.

http://www.classicrockrevisited.com/Int ... bert06.htm

[The_Noble_Cause]

Some assorted highlights:

Herbie on Jonathan Cain.....

"I hadn’t even noticed the guy he was so nondescript.....a total piece of shit; a fuckin’ asshole."


Herbie on the men of Journey in general...

"I’ll be dammed if I didn’t go and waste my life on a bunch of losers"

[The_Noble_Cause]

Herbie also confirms what some already presumed, that he would have become Journey's manager again *if *they chose Kevin Chalfant.

"I would have worked with the band again and taken a singer like Kevin Chalfant on....he’s a considerably better singer than Augeri -- might not look as good, doesn’t look bad, but he can really sing."

[Fernando Ramirez]

Great interview. Damn, it seems to me that he and Deano are the same guy!

[Monker]

Most of this is a shortened version of the 'other' interview...

This is my favorite bit:


CRR: What did you think about Trial By Fire?

Herbie: Monotone. If you can tell me where I missed the lift off -- it just never went anywhere. Not one song ever started somewhere and went somewhere, and that’s what Journey was all about. Let’s take it and take it higher and if you want to come back to earth with it fine but go somewhere first. It just never launched or got off the ground.


That's exactly what I thought about TBF...and I feel the same way for much of Generations. It wiould be interesting to hear what he thought of Arrival/Red 13/Generations, too.

[Shadowsong]

Wow,
Thanks
interesting read!

[*Laura]

Damn, it seems to me that he and Deano are the same guy!

Isn`t that eerie? Maybe Deano is the "Young Herbie Herbert" that the music industry is looking for,like the man said.
Thanks for the link,TNC. Very interesting.

[Andrew]

I've been petitioning Andrew to do this for quite some time now.

I should always take notice of The Cause...

[Andrew]

To be honst...it would be hard for me to do an interview such as this knowing how many people it would piss of that I am on good terms personally with...

[NealIsGod]

It doesn't surprise me that Neal's girlfriend could kick Sherrie's ass...

So, I was playing the Defender game at the L.A. forum and missed out on something really big. Sherrie, who was Steve Perry’s girlfriend from the song “Oh Sherrie” and Neal’s girlfriend of the moment who’s name was Laura, were standing in front of the stage which at the Forum they shouldn’t have been doing because there’s no barricade. They liked to stand in front of the stage and just look up at them to make sure they weren’t looking at other women or whatever [laughing]. Anyway they were just standing there in front of the audience taking rude advantage of some privilege that an all access pass might have given them and they got in some sort of cat fight and Laura brought one up from the basement and just clocked Sherrie. I mean it was a haymaker [laughing] and I missed it. It’s my only deep, deep regret from the whole Journey time. I paid my dues; I should have been able to see that [laughing].

[Moon Beam]

TNC thanks so much for posting this interview.
Everytime I read an interview with this man
I feel as if I am in a room with one of my fit throwing
children.
He complains about eveyone and takes credit for all good
things......he bug-a-me.
Was a very intresting read though.
Andrew no worries on not snagging this one fella we still love ya!

[The_Noble_Cause]

To be honst...it would be hard for me to do an interview such as this knowing how many people it would piss of that I am on good terms personally with...

Yeah, the thought had crossed my mind.
Certainly, Neal and Jon can't be very appreciative of this.

[The_Noble_Cause]

Who writes this guy's material, that's what I wanna know. Too funny.
Check out his quote on Perry, you just know Herbie's been waiting for the opportunity to say this line. No way is this stuff rattled off the cuff.

"he is a real consummate piece of excrement.....I wouldn’t piss down his throat if his heart were on fire"

[NealIsGod]

Let's see... Perry claims he spent months working on the Houston DVD, and Herbie claims he did all the work already. Who's lying?

[The_Noble_Cause]

Let's see... Perry claims he spent months working on the Houston DVD, and Herbie claims he did all the work already. Who's lying?

Herbie probably produced or oversaw the Houston show for MTV during it's initial broadcast.
Since Herbie feels Perry changed little to nothing of that show he still feels as if he produced it and Perry just came along and slapped his name on his product.

The truth is, however, that both men worked on it. Contrary to what Herbie states, Perry did overdub a few things, along with sound mixing etc.

[Jeremey]

Let's see... Perry claims he spent months working on the Houston DVD, and Herbie claims he did all the work already. Who's lying?

Perry AND Kalodner both said they worked on it, and Sony is behind the release, so I have to assume Herbie is a smart enough business man that had he put the effort into producing, mixing in 5.1, and Pro-Tooling the release (no matter what Herbie says, the mix HAS been cleaned up and polished, there's no doubt about that), he would have had some legal stake in the release of the thing.

I really enjoy Herbie's interviews, but you gotta take what he says with a grain of salt - He's a little larger than life in more ways than one, and I'm sure there's a lot of personal feelings coloring his recollection of how things went down. Not that he's not justified in how he feels - But Journey fans or Steve Perry fans shouldn't let one man's emotional involvement in the business and backdoor dealings of a musical entertainment group change the way they feel about that group, individual, or their acheivements.

[NealIsGod]

I really enjoy Herbie's interviews, but you gotta take what he says with a grain of salt - He's a little larger than life in more ways than one, and I'm sure there's a lot of personal feelings coloring his recollection of how things went down.

Yeah, he seems like a blowhard. Fun read, though. A good title for this interview would have been "Bridges Burning".

[Jeremey]

Herbie on the men of Journey in general...

"I’ll be dammed if I didn’t go and waste my life on a bunch of losers"

This is the kind of comment that I don't think people should take too seriously. I mean, come on, Herbie...That "bunch of losers" put millions in your bank account, bro. However Herbie was treated in the end, and the shit that he had to put up with through the years doesn't change the fact that, as he so generously points out - He got paid.

[Red13JoePa]

Interesting read, but holy shit!! I'd be shocked it his rotator cuff is not torn from patting himself on the back (as usual). I'm taking some, not all of this with a grain of salt. But to tell me that neither Steve Perry nor Jonathan Cain have a single redeeming human quality, I mean come on. I also think if Schon would probably like to strangle him.

[Jeremey]

I remember being in college and being a subscriber to Rolling Stone, and getting that issue back in the day about the Herbie roast - This was about the time that everything I knew about Journey came from the Time 3 liner notes. I remember that exact quote in the Random Notes section and thinking, "What a bunch of fucking pricks." I think it said something about Kevin Chalfant filling in for Steve Perry, and no one but Perry's own mother thinking that he was irreplaceable or something like that. I can't remember if that was the same issue that likened Perry's voice to a clubbed baby seal.

[Red13JoePa]

I found the questions to be a little too slanted towards DoubleH's agenda's as well.
"Well, Frontiers was really the beginning of the end, wasn't it?"
Not a direct quote but a pretty good paraphrase. It won't happen as we know but I'd like to see Melodicrock.com confront him in an interview. Follow up questions would be a little more direct.

[The_Noble_Cause]

I found the questions to be a little too slanted towards DoubleH's agenda's as well.

What agenda would that be?
I think Herbie is just dispensing unvarnished truth.

[Jeremey]

I found the questions to be a little too slanted towards DoubleH's agenda's as well.

What agenda would that be?
I think Herbie is just dispensing unvarnished truth.

I think what Red12JoePa means (geez, can I just call you Joe) is that it's common knowledge to everyone how Herbie feels about most of the band and their history together from the Matt McCarty interview, so these questions were a little leading in that respect.

[Red13JoePa]

I found the questions to be a little too slanted towards DoubleH's agenda's as well.

What agenda would that be?
I think Herbie is just dispensing unvarnished truth.

I know you think so.



I'm talking about the grapefruits just lobbed up there for him to unleash an unmitigated bash fest on everybody associated with the band but Greg Rolie, who left of his own volition.

[The_Noble_Cause]

I'm talking about the grapefruits just lobbed up there for him to unleash an unmitigated bash fest on everybody associated with the band but Greg Rolie, who left of his own volition.

Maybe everybody truly deserves to be bashed except for Rolie.
Heck, Herbie was there, he lived it.
What does he stand to gain by lyng?

[Rockindeano]

Herbie has every right in the world to be pissed. The guy is a genius, and had a great vision, and it was working perfectly, up until a couple of guys in a band, and one in particular, decided to um, change course. The Freedom album was set to go, and was changed to ROR...

Oh, and yeah I forgot, Herbie was fired....for what?

I believe every word that comes out of his mouth.

Andrew, I must say, as much as I love you, and would put a poster of you up in my room, I am a little disappointed you wouldn't do this. What exactly is there to lose? Pissing off Neal and Frigga? They're big boys and can take the heat. If those two are that thin skinned, I'd be surprised. This is a business, and if you ask me, I want that coveted HH interview(the only guy that can actually speak the truth about anything), than a bullshit ice cream interview with Perry, or some poppy crap Augeri interview. Who the Hell cares about what Augeri is doing? And until Perry does actually get his project off the ground, who gives a shit how many cats he has.

Herbie Herbert is the driver, the engine and the brains of this band.

Sadly, this band is about an eyelash away from ending up off the side of the road in a fuckin ditch.

[Vladan]

Herbie has every right in the world to be pissed. The guy is a genius, and had a great vision, and it was working perfectly, up until a couple of guys in a band, and one in particular, decided to um, change course. The Freedom album was set to go, and was changed to ROR...

Oh, and yeah I forgot, Herbie was fired....for what?

I believe every word that comes out of his mouth.

Andrew, I must say, as much as I love you, and would put a poster of you up in my room, I am a little disappointed you wouldn't do this. What exactly is there to lose? Pissing off Neal and Frigga? They're big boys and can take the heat. If those two are that thin skinned, I'd be surprised. This is a business, and if you ask me, I want that coveted HH interview(the only guy that can actually speak the truth about anything), than a bullshit ice cream interview with Perry, or some poppy crap Augeri interview. Who the Hell cares about what Augeri is doing? And until Perry does actually get his project off the ground, who gives a shit how many cats he has.

Herbie Herbert is the driver, the engine and the brains of this band.

Sadly, this band is about an eyelash away from ending up off the side of the road in a fuckin ditch.

Hahahal. Yeah Herbie is the man after all. But I also feel that theres two sides to each story, as everyone has one.

But I wouldn't say Herbie is wrong, maybe alittle un-sensitive himself, and maybe over looks what he says about others, and I guess anger can do that. It was a great read non the less. People are people, I guess they are no different from the next guy - fans can sugercoat their pop idols as much as they feel, calling them kind, gracious, whatever, but underneath all the media, their just humans like us.

PS,
Jonathan Cain still rules! lol.

[cudaclan]

When Castles released the HH interview a BT’r asked if any of the band members had read it. Neal responded ‘yes and we’re not amused’. I’m sure the band members refrained from “expressing” their true feelings regarding HH. In the end, the band members refrained from opening Pandora’s Box. They were and are actively touring, HH is (semi) retired. There are far too many skeletons in the closets. The more information they release the more speculation we have. There is no Director’s Cut, only gag orders and potential lawsuits.

[A Fire Inside]

I believe every word that comes out of his mouth.

Have to mostly agree here... I'm not sure I believe the Houston DVD stuff, but other than that... HH seems like a straight shooter.

[Free]

Herbie has every right in the world to be pissed. The guy is a genius, and had a great vision, and it was working perfectly, up until a couple of guys in a band, and one in particular, decided to um, change course. The Freedom album was set to go, and was changed to ROR...

Oh, and yeah I forgot, Herbie was fired....for what?

I believe every word that comes out of his mouth.

Andrew, I must say, as much as I love you, and would put a poster of you up in my room, I am a little disappointed you wouldn't do this. What exactly is there to lose? Pissing off Neal and Frigga? They're big boys and can take the heat. If those two are that thin skinned, I'd be surprised. This is a business, and if you ask me, I want that coveted HH interview(the only guy that can actually speak the truth about anything), than a bullshit ice cream interview with Perry, or some poppy crap Augeri interview. Who the Hell cares about what Augeri is doing? And until Perry does actually get his project off the ground, who gives a shit how many cats he has.

Herbie Herbert is the driver, the engine and the brains of this band.

Sadly, this band is about an eyelash away from ending up off the side of the road in a fuckin ditch.

Yep.