Here's the deal

[HigherPlace2001]

I'm wondering the same thing...if you know something just say it. What are you afraid of?

PS...BT ain't for me.

[Infinity]

Australia,Tasmania: missiles ready.
10…9…8…7…

[jrnyman28]

TNC once told me that if he said anything (which he did) he was worried that Irving Azoff would 'put a hit out on him'. Funny, we haven't heard from TNC in a while! Gosh, I hope he is OK.

That being said, TNC DID have a conversation about Steve and he asked for it to be removed because he was not supposed to say anything. In that conversation he basically said that there is PROOF that Steve Augeri lip-synched the entire tour last year. Apparantly this has been growing since the Main Event Tour. It started as a song or two and last year was the "entire" show except (as Deano has said) approximately 20 seconds of lead in and outro to each song.

We DO know that Steve has some "health" issues at the beginning of the tour. We DO know that the reason for all the other vocalists, and the jams, was to aid Steve in getting through a 3 1/2 hour show. We DO know that there is some help based on 3 clips from Steve singing Ask The Lonely. We DO know that Deen was a big help until he ALSO had voice problems.

But none of this adds up to "entire" shows being lip-synched.

Has Steve's voice suffered? Yes. Is it possible that he can recover? I think so, but will reserve opinion until I actually hear him on this tour (if I get to the show). Did the band handle Steve's health issues properly? No. Is it possible that they are pushing Steve too hard? Yes.

Will Perry be back? I HIGHLY doubt it!

[HigherPlace2001]

Thanks for the info jrnyman28.

[Rockindeano]

TNC once told me that if he said anything (which he did) he was worried that Irving Azoff would 'put a hit out on him'. Funny

No, he is fine. However, he is so disgusted in Journey that he has said adios.

That being said, TNC DID have a conversation about Steve and he asked for it to be removed because he was not supposed to say anything.

Me too. However, I don't care anylonger. I said it.

In that conversation he basically said that there is PROOF that Steve Augeri lip-synched the entire tour last year. Apparantly this has been growing since the Main Event Tour. It started as a song or two and last year was the "entire" show except (as Deano has said) approximately 20 seconds of lead in and outro to each song.

Right on the money.

We DO know that Steve has some "health" issues at the beginning of the tour. We DO know that the reason for all the other vocalists, and the jams, was to aid Steve in getting through a 3 1/2 hour show. We DO know that there is some help based on 3 clips from Steve singing Ask The Lonely. We DO know that Deen was a big help until he ALSO had voice problems.

But none of this adds up to "entire" shows being lip-synched.

Yes it does. More than ever.

Did the band handle Steve's health issues properly? No.

Sorry, but this is the kicker. I like how they were supposed to play Chile(televised no less), and abruptly put the brakes on that one....gee, I wonder why? Then came out and said the guy had pnuemonia. Oh, ok. However, in just 6 days after, the band miracuously played a private gig in Hawaii. Hmmm.

Will Perry be back? I HIGHLY doubt it!

Yeah, and every single one of you, said he wouldn't be at the WOF ceremony except me.....Well, I am up 1-0. keep doubting.

[A Fire Inside]

Why would Augeri have to lip-sync? Too much touring? He sounded fine on Generations...

[jrnyman28]

Why would Augeri have to lip-sync? Too much touring? He sounded fine on Generations...

And that is Deano's point. What you heard that sounded "fine" was all 'supposedly' tape.

[A Fire Inside]

And that is Deano's point. What you heard that sounded "fine" was all 'supposedly' tape.

But GENERATIONS was new music, which he wrote last year or whatever it was. So he obviously sang that recently for the album and sounded ok. At least to me.

[Rockindeano]

And that is Deano's point. What you heard that sounded "fine" was all 'supposedly' tape.

But GENERATIONS was new music, which he wrote last year or whatever it was. So he obviously sang that recently for the album and sounded ok. At least to me.

They only played Out of Harms way a few shows..Butterfly one show, Believe, one show and Every Generation was Jon's and Gone Crazy, Ross, and Self Defense was Neal.

Now, the TPIYH and FITH. You really don't want to know how they pulled those off.

By the way, I can't say for exact certain when they went to tape, but I believe it was the 4th or 5th show of the tour.

[jrnyman28]

My understanding is that the Steve-vocal songs from Generations were the tape directly from Generations....

[junky]

There was one show in particular last year that I saw where a few technical problems occured and it was obvious to me what was going on, but no evidence of the entire show being taped as stated above.

But having said that, it was still one of the best Journey shows I saw last year.

Doesn't bother me and I'm going to two shows this year.

[Free]

There was one show in particular last year that I saw where a few technical problems occured and it was obvious to me what was going on, but no evidence of the entire show being taped as stated above.

But having said that, it was still one of the best Journey shows I saw last year.

Doesn't bother me and I'm going to two shows this year.

Even if some of his lead vocals are tape should bother the hell out of anyone who paid money to see what they thought was a live show.

[junky]

As I said, there was no evidence it was the entire lead vocal, but there are 4 othe guys in this band who are absolutely amazing to watch and are playing live.

To me , it's worth it.

[Free]

As I said, there was no evidence it was the entire lead vocal, but there are 4 othe guys in this band who are absolutely amazing to watch and are playing live.

To me , it's worth it.

It may be worth it to you. The point is that we are being lied to IF this is going on.

[junky]

It's no secret, vocalist do this often.

Sometimes a phrase is simply too demanding for a live show, so they tape it.

[Moon Beam]

Thats fine if it has to be done
here and there but I would be spitting fire
if I payed for a live show and was given
lip likeness on tape fed through to the mics.

Bullsheet I can sound like Shania Twain to if you
give me the tapes.
You gonna shell out 35 bucks to see me?
I think not.

[Free]

It's no secret, vocalist do this often.

Sometimes a phrase is simply too demanding for a live show, so they tape it.

Come on.................

Are people paying money to go to a concert to hear a tape? NO. I guess if you want you can try to defend the indefensible.

[junky]

It's no secret, vocalist do this often.

Sometimes a phrase is simply too demanding for a live show, so they tape it.

Come on.................

Are people paying money to go to a concert to hear a tape? NO. I guess if you want you can try to defend the indefensible.

Do you not understand what a phrase is?

It could be three words in an entire song, but the rest of the song is live.

If a few words being taped bothers you, then I suggest you never see any live shows again, of any artist.

[Rockindeano]

If a few words being taped bothers you, then I suggest you never see any live shows again, of any artist.

I wish it were only a few words...

[verslibre]

Journey re-united with SP would far outdraw the recent VH reunion, I guaranfuckintee it.

Wishful thinking.

Journey with Steve Perry would sell out a stadium.

Sure they'd fill a stadium — by giving away bundles of FREE tickets!!

[Monker]

It's no secret, vocalist do this often.

Sometimes a phrase is simply too demanding for a live show, so they tape it.

Come on.................

Are people paying money to go to a concert to hear a tape? NO. I guess if you want you can try to defend the indefensible.

And, you can believe a rumor that has absolutely no evidence to back it...and it still does not make it real and the truth.

[Free]

It's no secret, vocalist do this often.

Sometimes a phrase is simply too demanding for a live show, so they tape it.

Come on.................

Are people paying money to go to a concert to hear a tape? NO. I guess if you want you can try to defend the indefensible.

And, you can believe a rumor that has absolutely no evidence to back it...and it still does not make it real and the truth.

I don't understand why you don't read everything I post before you make an false accusation.

I'm sure you won't, but if you went back and read my posts I said IF this is true. I'm not saying this is fact. I SAID IF.

But today I've talked with a couple folks in private and they know a lot more about this and got contacts with the band. It seems this is the truth. I'm not gonna tell you who I talked to because they asked me not to.

So quit making false judgements until you have read all of what I've said.

[Abitaman]

It's no secret, vocalist do this often.

Sometimes a phrase is simply too demanding for a live show, so they tape it.

Come on.................

Are people paying money to go to a concert to hear a tape? NO. I guess if you want you can try to defend the indefensible.

And, you can believe a rumor that has absolutely no evidence to back it...and it still does not make it real and the truth.

I don't understand why you don't read everything I post before you make an false accusation.

I'm sure you won't, but if you went back and read my posts I said IF this is true. I'm not saying this is fact. I SAID IF.

But today I've talked with a couple folks in private and they know a lot more about this and got contacts with the band. It seems this is the truth. I'm not gonna tell you who I talked to because they asked me not to.

So quit making false judgements until you have read all of what I've said.

I can't believe it if you can't name anyone. To me this is all LIES ALL OF IT. Not saying some of it isn't done, but this is BLOW way out of perception

[TRAGChick]

Perry was classy enough to know, he wasn't bringing it every night, so he called it off early in '94.

Gotta get in on this:

Sorry; I saw SP in Poughkeepsie, NY in Feb. 95.

[Free]

It's no secret, vocalist do this often.

Sometimes a phrase is simply too demanding for a live show, so they tape it.

Come on.................

Are people paying money to go to a concert to hear a tape? NO. I guess if you want you can try to defend the indefensible.

And, you can believe a rumor that has absolutely no evidence to back it...and it still does not make it real and the truth.

I don't understand why you don't read everything I post before you make an false accusation.

I'm sure you won't, but if you went back and read my posts I said IF this is true. I'm not saying this is fact. I SAID IF.

But today I've talked with a couple folks in private and they know a lot more about this and got contacts with the band. It seems this is the truth. I'm not gonna tell you who I talked to because they asked me not to.

So quit making false judgements until you have read all of what I've said.

I can't believe it if you can't name anyone. To me this is all LIES ALL OF IT. Not saying some of it isn't done, but this is BLOW way out of perception

I don't wanna get sued man. Forget and doubt everything I've said please.

[NealIsGod]

Why would Augeri have to lip-sync? Too much touring? He sounded fine on Generations...

And that is Deano's point. What you heard that sounded "fine" was all 'supposedly' tape.

Gee, so he sounds fine AND he sucks. Which is it?

[jrnyjetster]

For cripes sake, hasn't this thread gone on long enough...? I'm so sick of this fuckin' BULLshit...do we support this band or not? Leave Augeri alone for cryin' out loud!!...You think Bon Jovi or Elliott has a perfect night, EVERY night?? Think again!! The almighty Perry has had some real BAD nights as well! Every lead singer needs some help now and then and if it's a click track or some pre-recorded vocals here and there, then so be it. EVERY band does it, GET OVER IT!

[EightyRock]

That's fine, if that's all it is..a click track or a backing vocal, etc. If it is more, then expose it if there is something to back it up. People (including me) pay good money to see them live for a reason. I can stand the truth and make my own decision if I want to see SA mouth the words just to hear NS play live. If Schon and Cain are down with this, they aren't what I gave them credit for all these years. Hell, they were all over Perry's ass when he wanted to use a DRUM MACHINE in ROR. Remember the if we are a band, let's be a band comment Cain made on BTM about ROR? Maybe Cain should get reminded of how to be a live band firing on all cylinders when people are paying to hear them LIVE. I say show me the money...cough up the proof and let the chips fall.

[Infinity]

I say show me the money...cough up the proof and let the chips fall.

And I say everyone should take a goddamned break,chill,have a banana and come back on Monday.Enough's been said already.

[verslibre]

That's fine, if that's all it is..a click track or a backing vocal, etc. If it is more, then expose it if there is something to back it up. People (including me) pay good money to see them live for a reason. I can stand the truth and make my own decision if I want to see SA mouth the words just to hear NS play live. If Schon and Cain are down with this, they aren't what I gave them credit for all these years. Hell, they were all over Perry's ass when he wanted to use a DRUM MACHINE in ROR. Remember the if we are a band, let's be a band comment Cain made on BTM about ROR? Maybe Cain should get reminded of how to be a live band firing on all cylinders when people are paying to hear them LIVE. I say show me the money...cough up the proof and let the chips fall.

But the real shocker is that drum machine on Pyromania...oh, no!!