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Postby Infinity » Wed May 24, 2006 12:33 am

NoMoreTails wrote:What the hell do you mean "if" and you hope you're wrong? If you had any doubts why have you insisted you know the "truth"and have proof and kept fanning the fire for weeks now? Was it getting too boring around here without the Perryheads to attack? So know you have some doubt? Have you been added to the hit list along with TNC?

Excuse me,but by asking these questions,you are the one "fanning the fire" even more.Enough has been disclosed already. Taking this to Pm would be the wisest thing to do.
Just my 2 cents.
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Postby NealIsGod » Wed May 24, 2006 12:39 am

I think NMT has a very valid point. Thanks for noticing it, NMT. Very interesting. I see why Infinity doesn't want that public. Dramatically weakens the argument. :wink:
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Postby NoMoreTails » Wed May 24, 2006 12:49 am

Infinity wrote:
NoMoreTails wrote:What the hell do you mean "if" and you hope you're wrong? If you had any doubts why have you insisted you know the "truth"and have proof and kept fanning the fire for weeks now? Was it getting too boring around here without the Perryheads to attack? So know you have some doubt? Have you been added to the hit list along with TNC?

Excuse me,but by asking these questions,you are the one "fanning the fire" even more.Enough has been disclosed already. Taking this to Pm would be the wisest thing to do.
Just my 2 cents.


Possibly and I don't certainly don't want to, but I'm surprised that Deano leaves any possibility he could be wrong after he has been so sure all along. If he was sincere in stating he has made his last comments on the issue then my questions shouldn't change his mind.
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Postby Rockindeano » Wed May 24, 2006 1:03 am

Fuck you NIG..You are a real bastard sometimes.

Forget my "last comment" then. Hey you want this little diddy to go away because it invalidates your little singer.

On that note, I am NOT making that my last comment, when assholes like NMT keep bringing it up.

I said "IF" meaning "IF" it went 'really public, as in media, and print.

I AM right on this. Again, any band member who would like to speak to me one on one, sign up and pm me.

This has gone to a new level now, and no, I am NOT backing down.
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Postby jrNY » Wed May 24, 2006 1:13 am

I really don't want to think that any of this is true -- but it does make me wonder.

I've seen the current lineup many times over the last few years and never thought there was any kind of "help" for Augieri simply because he does not always sound that good. It seems to explain why they have never released the Warfield or House of Blues DVDs. Their fans have been just dying for these dvds and have never been given a reasonable explanation why they are not releasing them.

I guess I'm still on the fence on this but definately leaning on Deano's side.
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Postby NealIsGod » Wed May 24, 2006 1:16 am

Deano, I can't have my own opinion about it? You said "IF this is true". Shows doubt to me.
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Postby Rockindeano » Wed May 24, 2006 1:18 am

NealIsGod wrote:Deano, I can't have my own opinion about it? You said "IF this is true". Shows doubt to me.


Have your opinion, fine. You seem to be trying anything at all to invalidate my claims.

The entire reason for this? What they are doing is wrong. It's no different if I went to a bank and robbed it. No different at all.

Again, no band is bigger than Rock n Roll.
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Postby NoMoreTails » Wed May 24, 2006 1:19 am

Rockn'deano wrote:Fuck you NIG..You are a real bastard sometimes.

Forget my "last comment" then. Hey you want this little diddy to go away because it invalidates your little singer.

On that note, I am NOT making that my last comment, when assholes like NMT keep bringing it up.

I said "IF" meaning "IF" it went 'really public, as in media, and print.

I AM right on this. Again, any band member who would like to speak to me one on one, sign up and pm me.

This has gone to a new level now, and no, I am NOT backing down.


Then you better go back and revise your remarks, I don't see any statement or context where the "if" remarks would imply "if it went public".
I don't see that post as relating to HOTS's, several posts prior.
So you hope you're wrong only if it goes public?
As far as my keeping bringing it up, this was my first comment on the subject.
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Postby NealIsGod » Wed May 24, 2006 1:21 am

Rockn'deano wrote:The entire reason for this? What they are doing is wrong. It's no different if I went to a bank and robbed it. No different at all.


WHAT? You are basing your opinion on this on illegally obtained boots! That's rich! :lol:
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Postby Rockindeano » Wed May 24, 2006 1:25 am

NealIsGod wrote:
Rockn'deano wrote:The entire reason for this? What they are doing is wrong. It's no different if I went to a bank and robbed it. No different at all.


WHAT? You are basing your opinion on this on illegally obtained boots! That's rich! :lol:


I guess so. Karma can be a bitch.
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Postby NealIsGod » Wed May 24, 2006 1:26 am

Rockn'deano wrote:
NealIsGod wrote:
Rockn'deano wrote:The entire reason for this? What they are doing is wrong. It's no different if I went to a bank and robbed it. No different at all.


WHAT? You are basing your opinion on this on illegally obtained boots! That's rich! :lol:


I guess so. Karma can be a bitch.


:lol: That's like a junkie getting pissed at his dealer for selling him some bad drugs. :lol:
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Postby Rockindeano » Wed May 24, 2006 1:27 am

NealIsGod wrote:
Rockn'deano wrote:
NealIsGod wrote:
Rockn'deano wrote:The entire reason for this? What they are doing is wrong. It's no different if I went to a bank and robbed it. No different at all.


WHAT? You are basing your opinion on this on illegally obtained boots! That's rich! :lol:


I guess so. Karma can be a bitch.


:lol: That's like a junkie getting pissed at his dealer for selling him some bad drugs. :lol:


Yes it is..And the bad drugs he got, he got only because he couldn't get the good drugs anylonger. Think about it.
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Postby NealIsGod » Wed May 24, 2006 1:28 am

Rockn'deano wrote:Yes it is..And the bad drugs he got, he got only because he couldn't get the good drugs anylonger. Think about it.


Then I guess you need to be happy with classic Journey. :lol:
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Postby Rockindeano » Wed May 24, 2006 1:29 am

NealIsGod wrote:
Rockn'deano wrote:Yes it is..And the bad drugs he got, he got only because he couldn't get the good drugs anylonger. Think about it.


Then I guess you need to be happy with classic Journey. :lol:


I am happy. I want to be happy with current Journey. Hell, I was for 6 years....
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Postby NealIsGod » Wed May 24, 2006 1:30 am

Rockn'deano wrote:
NealIsGod wrote:
Rockn'deano wrote:Yes it is..And the bad drugs he got, he got only because he couldn't get the good drugs anylonger. Think about it.


Then I guess you need to be happy with classic Journey. :lol:


I am happy. I want to be happy with current Journey. Hell, I was for 6 years....


Yeah, I miss that Deano real bad. :cry:
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Postby Rockindeano » Wed May 24, 2006 1:35 am

NealIsGod wrote:
Rockn'deano wrote:
NealIsGod wrote:
Rockn'deano wrote:Yes it is..And the bad drugs he got, he got only because he couldn't get the good drugs anylonger. Think about it.


Then I guess you need to be happy with classic Journey. :lol:


I am happy. I want to be happy with current Journey. Hell, I was for 6 years....


Yeah, I miss that Deano real bad. :cry:


Yeah, so do I.
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Postby Infinity » Wed May 24, 2006 1:54 am

NealIsGod wrote:I see why Infinity doesn't want that public. Dramatically weakens the argument. :wink:

Hey, I don’t give a rat’s ass if this whole "thing" gets public.I am for the truth and people should know the truth as long as they are part of the fan base. Records and tickets buyers that is. However, I can understand why some of you are afraid that Journey might have such a terrible backstage secret .That would be a huge slap on the fan's faces and certainly it would undermine the band's reputation.
I think the main issue here on the forum is this: fans who would put up with the truth versus fans who won't. Or can't.
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Postby Red13JoePa » Wed May 24, 2006 2:01 am

Er, please hold the horn here.

It is the "truth" as RockNDeano sees it. I'm not accusing Rock of making this up, either. I know full well he believes in what he says. But stop making this, Infinity, as those who don't beleive this are ignorant to the truth and can't face it.
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Postby Infinity » Wed May 24, 2006 2:14 am

Red13JoePa wrote:Er, please hold the horn here.

It is the "truth" as RockNDeano sees it. I'm not accusing Rock of making this up, either. I know full well he believes in what he says. But stop making this, Infinity, as those who don't beleive this are ignorant to the truth and can't face it.

So what do you call this if not a clash between those who believe that Rockndeano is telling the truth (based on something, obviously) and those who go on and call him a liar?
Listen ,if someone tells me 100 times in a row that he saw my wife french kissing in a bar with someone else and he even has pictures of that, he might get my attention. :lol:
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Postby Rockindeano » Wed May 24, 2006 2:25 am

I need to say something, if that's ok.

I just had a very pleasant PM exchange with a Styx poster who has always been overly kind to me, and she gave me some good advice and some good criticism.

I was told that I was being vague. I kind of thought that, but I also at the same time thought I was making enough of a convincing argument. Apparently not.

Here is what I would like to say on this matter. After reading back through the entire week or so, I do see how "vague" I have been. It's easy for me to think I am putting enough out there, because I myself know the story.

Here is the reason for my vagueness. I feel horrible telling my thoughts publicly like this, yet the feeling I have internally about this breaks my heart. I loved Journey, and actually still do. It doesn't matter if it's Steve Perry or Steve Augeri or Steve Whomever. It's JOURNEY.

When I was hinting around, I only wanted to get a little talk going on. I knew it would grow, but I didn't know when and I didn't know it would grow this intense and this hot. I felt uncomfortable when others would say "spill it." I was and am not angry with those members, as I understand their questioning. It's just that I felt horrible when I was writing out my posts, while telling of certain evidential intricacies, I definetely held back, because I felt like I was hurting a family member. I visualized the band members' faces, and thought, "why are you doing this?" In a way, I never wanted to believe the truth. I didn't want this to be true. Well.............

I am doing this because it is flatout wrong. I am doing this because I respected Journey, fought for Journey against critics, paid tons of money to see them, bought T shirts, and CD's and other stuff; I want them to get it right. I honestly believe that no band shall get a free pass on making boatloads of money at less than average work skills, or cheating at it. The only difference between this case and the Barry Bonds case, is Journey is getting it done artificially but they aren't getting it done with straight A's. They are barely getting by.

If they would have just gotten through the 30th anniversary tour and stopped it, I would have been ok, and not mumbled a word about it. But then the Chile show and the Hawaii private gig sent me over the edge. This next tour is the key. I have no idea what they will do. Perhaps Augeri's voice will be improved, or have been made healthy, I certainly hope so. Nothing would make me happier to see Journey blow Def Leppard off the stage. However, do it right. Do it without the BS.

The PM exchange I had with my Styx friend was enlightening. I mentioned to her that this was overly killing me internally. When I mentioned that I felt as if I was hurting a family member, she said I am not important enough to the situation....and of course she is right. I never claimed to be, however, I always need to return to that cocoon of honesty in times of indirection. I chose that route this time, and now must live with the fact that I have done so.
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Postby NealIsGod » Wed May 24, 2006 2:25 am

It has not been proven to me yet. How bout you, 13?
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Postby Red13JoePa » Wed May 24, 2006 2:26 am

Infinity wrote:
Red13JoePa wrote:Er, please hold the horn here.

It is the "truth" as RockNDeano sees it. I'm not accusing Rock of making this up, either. I know full well he believes in what he says. But stop making this, Infinity, as those who don't beleive this are ignorant to the truth and can't face it.

So what do you call this if not a clash between those who believe that Rockndeano is telling the truth (based on something, obviously) and those who go on and call him a liar?
Listen ,if someone tells me 100 times in a row that he saw my wife french kissing in a bar with someone else and he even has pictures of that, he might get my attention. :lol:


Your implication, madam, is that deano's holdings are "the truth." Your implication is that the board is divided between those who believe deano and those who can't handle the truth.

Did we all miss the part where confirmation of Deano's findings as the truth were given?

PS: I've brawled w/ Deano about this offline and we agree to disagree. he is still one funny SOB...
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Postby NealIsGod » Wed May 24, 2006 2:33 am

Yeah, Deano is a solid guy. Just want to make that clear. I also believe that he is convinced of this. And that's fine, too.
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Postby Infinity » Wed May 24, 2006 2:37 am

Red13JoePa wrote:PS: I've brawled w/ Deano about this offline and we agree to disagree. he is still one funny SOB...

:lol: I'm relieved.
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Postby Angiekay » Wed May 24, 2006 2:57 am



Who is posting under Deano's name?! Not ONE swear word?! What is the world coming to!?

Just kidding, nice post Deano. ;)








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Postby Marabelle » Wed May 24, 2006 3:13 am

That's what I find intriguing about Dean. He apologizes for the moment and then five minutes later he is at it again. I admire any one who can admit when they're wrong and not do anything to change who they are.
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Postby Rockindeano » Wed May 24, 2006 3:19 am

Marabelle wrote:That's what I find intriguing about Dean. He apologizes for the moment and then five minutes later he is at it again. I admire any one who can admit when they're wrong and not do anything to change who they are.


Why would I want to change who I am? I am who I am?

Bitch.
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Postby Marabelle » Wed May 24, 2006 3:28 am

Oh you know I don't like you calling me names.

That is uncalled for and not nice.

You can be mean but that goes way over the line.

I'd prefer dingbat.
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Postby yogi » Wed May 24, 2006 3:30 am

Damn this board is entertaining! And it keeps getting better!!

If all this is "REALLY??' true hit us with some facts. If the evidence has been destroyed do a Jack Baur and plant a mic on Steve A and get him to talk. Or are you afraid that he will lip sync the conversation??

I now think that Deano looks like Jack Nicholson. But I can handle the truth!!

If Journey was lip syncing when did it start?? If they were doing it in St.Paul at the Main Event Concert they sure as hell used a bad recording.

Finally, speaking of Barry Bonds I know some Pittsburg Pirate fans tthat are damn pissed that he wasnt jucing earlier in his career. Maybe if he would of been on the juice sooner he wouldnt of thrown that 45 hop cream puff to home plate trying to cut down Sid Bream back in 1991. Instead of the Braves playing Minnesota it would of been Pittsburgh!!

Anyway Jack Nicholson Baur lets see or hear some REAL evidence. I cant see Neal, Jonathan, Ross and EVERYONE associated with Journey allowing this to go on!!!
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Postby Marabelle » Wed May 24, 2006 3:30 am

and if I wasn't working I'd be all over you. you're lucky.
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