Finale

[*Laura]

You want immoral? How about Madonna REALLY lip synching ENTIRE shows, charging hundreds of dollars for it, and coming out crucified on a cross?

Madonna is the worst example.People will remember her for her appearance as she is in the "tits,butt & aerobics" league.If people pay hundreds for her shows,that's exactly what they buy.Hey,striptease is not cheap.
So...I was talking about real musicians,not inflatable superstars.

[Rockindeano]

People walked out in Irvine because of the pre-Perry material and too much from Generations.

And MANY (if not more) walked out because Augeri couldn't sing in key to save his red leather swathed ass. This was even put on record right here at MR.com, when Andrew posted a submitted scathing review of Irvine opening nite on the MR.com home page. Journey's official website was also ablaze with disgruntled people moaning about Steve's inability to perform properly. Then, a few concerts into the tour, miraculously, people started raving about how Augeri was now hitting notes they never had heard him hit or even reach for before.
Long time fan Jrnyman28 even proclaimed Augeri to now "sound better than the DVD!".

I still completely disagree with you about the extent of the enhancements, but then again I have more shows to judge from than you.

Claiming Augeri isn't singing at all is where you lose out. You have something about the hiccups being covered, but the out and out full lyp synch isn't true.

Listen, I don't care if you're the general manager of a discount bootleg warehouse out somewhere in Nebraska.
You either aren't listenting to them very attentively or you're full of scat.
With the exception of the first few shows, this tour has been 95% lip synched. He sings ten seconds worth of Faith in The Heartland in the mid section. He sings a little bit of Higher Place and he ALWAYS sings LTS without any help. They do this because it is the last song of the night and presume everyone will chalk up his vocal haggardness to plain ole fatigue. Listen to any boot from 01, 02, 03, or 04.
It's like night and day.
Anytime he sings for real during 2005, you hear noticeable croaks, and cracks and squeals.
Much like what you heard during that Higher Place Mp3.
And if u think that's blatant, you should try to attain a video bootleg.
Try the NY Beacon dvd.
It'ssooo obvious.
The mic has a foam head on it that is abnormally stuffed.
Augeri obscures his mouth with it thru every song.
He never did that during any other tour.
It's so fucking swollen, it looks like one of those novelty legs of roast mutton you get at the town Renaissance fair.

[AR]

Later JRNY shows I have 2004 onwards:

West Palm Beach, FL 4/29/04 DVD
Wolf Trap Vienna, VA 2004 DVD
Casino Rama 6-30-04
Oakland, CA 2/27/05 DVD
Baltimore 9/9/05 DVD
Los Angeles 10/9/05
London Ontario 11/19/05


These are just what I have laying around. I know there are more.

[Rockindeano]

Later JRNY shows I have 2004 onwards:

West Palm Beach, FL 4/29/04 DVD
Wolf Trap Vienna, VA 2004 DVD
Casino Rama 6-30-04

Those are from the Detour tour, I am discussing this past tour.
But while we're at it, if you must know, Augeri started to lip synch during that 2004 tour. The tail-end high part of Faithfully is mainly from the dvd. And on rare occassions he would get help or "enhancements" on certain high parts like somtimes during AWYWI. I also have an 2004 boot from Tokyo where "Send Her My Love" is from Vegas.
But like I said, that is "OK".
Enhancements and breathers for singers are to be expected.
Even Perry commented that the end part of Faithfully would drain him vocally on a nightly basis.

Fuck! this whole debacle really steams my clams!
I am so fucking enraged I could eat steel and shit fucking rail road spikes.

Oakland, CA 2/27/05 DVD
Baltimore 9/9/05 DVD
Los Angeles 10/9/05
London Ontario 11/19/05

Ok....
So prove me wrong, dinklepuss.
Post "Be Good to Yourself" from each of those shows.
I dare you.
(Minus the ones from early on in the tour)

[AR]

Ok....
So prove me wrong.
Post "Be Good to Yourself" from each of those shows.
I dare you.

I'm not posting them. However anyone who gets them from me can feel free to do so. Today is about he most time I've spent discussing Journey or on the net in as long as I can remember.

I'm trading them though, so anyone who feels like ripping the audio and posting it is completely ok with me.

Fair enough?

Also, might as well include an audio rip from the Beacon show as well I guess.

[Rockindeano]

I'm trading them though, so anyone who feels like ripping the audio and posting it is completely ok with me.

Fair enough?

As long as you dont try to pass something from an earlier tour as being from this year. Then, yeah fine.

Go re-listen to your 2005 boots.
Ignore the ones from early on in the tour.
I bet you a "happy ending" at your favorite asian massage parlor, that all the ones where Augeri sounds good are identical.

[Rockindeano]

Also, might as well include an audio rip from the Beacon show as well I guess.

LOL. Please do. Most of it is from the Vegas dvd anyways.
He only sings the butt end of his songs at the Beacon.
It's soo obvious. That's when the silky smoothed tenor voice is very suddenly, without warning, supplanted by an emphysema-embattled Joe Cocker.

[AR]

Has anyone heard London, Ontario 11/19/05?

I may have the show that stops the conspiracy. Good sounding vocals, different syllabic annunciations on certain notes. This is not a lip synch of Vegas 2001.

By the way, I guess "Place In Your Heart" and "Faith in the Heartland" were recorded in Vegas 2001 as well.

[Rockindeano]

By the way, I guess "Place I Your Heart" and "Faith in the Heartland" were recorded in Vegas 2001 as well.

Haha

Dude, You are too funny. TPIYH at the Greek is none other than STRAIGHT OFF THE CD!

Go ahead, link em up and listen

The more you speak, the less armour you have.

[AR]

TPIYH at the Greek is none other than STRAIGHT OFF THE CD!

It's not off of the album on Baltimore. He avoids one of the high notes. He's on key, but just lower.

Is the Greek show the same as Los Angeles 10/9/05? If not, then I don't have the Greek show. I haven't even listened to LA so I can't coment on it.

[AR]

The more you speak, the less armour you have.

It may be the other way around.

FITH is definately not the album version on this London show.

[Rockindeano]

The more you speak, the less armour you have.

It may be the other way around.

FITH is definately not the album version on this London show.

Never said it was. Can you not read?

[AR]

Can you not read?

Keep it up.

But Faith has to be from the album Deano. You said EVERYTHING is lip synched. And keep it up was the smart ass comments. Keyboard courage that's all you have.

[Rockindeano]

LA is the same as Greek, yes.

[AR]

LA is the same as Greek, yes.

Thank you and again, I am letting these shows out for people to judge for themselves. Let's try to keep this civil.

I may send you London, Ontario personally.

[Rockindeano]

I dont really care if anyone wants to judge for themselves. It's an open and shut and case.

Is London considered Toronto for arguments sake?

[AR]

I dont really care if anyone wants to judge for themselves. It's a shut and closed cased.

Mortal lock.

You said the ENTIRE shows are lyp synched. You're going to lose that one big time. Especially with this one. What I will say on this is it appears Augeri is having a good night. Click track is in the mix, like it's adding to the harmony but Augeri is definitely singing lead on everything so far at least.

Of course as I type that Augeri hits a clinker. LMFAO!

[Rockindeano]

But Faith has to be from the album Deano. You said EVERYTHING is lip synched.

While live renditions of FITH are not identical to Generations, u should note that with the exception of the end and a brief mid section, all of the boots of FITH are identical. Completely.
The "battle cry" in the beggining is lipped. Even on his best day, Augeri does not have the vocal might to sing like that. Augeri only sings a brief mid part (listen for it - he sounds like Rod Stewart with a crack pipe lodged in his thorax) and then he sings the tail-end because it's done in a low range. He practically speaks the end.
Everything else is always the same.
Greek, Beacon, CasinoRama....all follow this same pattern.

You're right though. It is not identical to Generations. Certain high notes aren't as high as on the album. Yet, strangely, all live copies of FITH sound the same (excluding the parts I've mentioned).

My take? - I believe this might be a vocal cut of Augeri doing the song before it was sweetened or fine-tuned for the record. Remember, Elson is their tour sound guy and he was also the sound guy for their last album.
Would he have a few reject copies of FITH lying around?
You bet.

But, don't believe me, go listen to the various boot copies out there.

[Rockindeano]

When I say "entire" I mean 90%. ok? Jesus. He only sings one fuckin song live and it's LTS, which my son sings better then he does.

[AR]

Is London considered Toronto for arguments sake?

London is halfway between Toronto and Detroit.

[Rockindeano]

Is London considered Toronto for arguments sake?

London is halfway between Toronto and Detroit.

I know Canadian geography. I just thought they considered London Toronto(casino Rama), much like Irvine is considered LA...and we are talking 60 miles away.

[Rockindeano]

Re-listened to FITH.
Most of it is from the Generations albums. But its been tinkered with.
One high note doesn't go as high. They've also added an echo-effect to "where Eagles flyyy".
The only part Augeri sings is "we all need something to belive in, give me something to believe in" he also does the low range ending.
Go to ur other boots, listen for it, it will always be this way.

[AR]

Geez, I'm starting to get sick of all these Journey boots.

Ok one thing on this show at least, is I have not heard any croaking like admittedly is on Casino Rama. Not in the talking, the add libs, not at the end of the song when the click track is not heard or faded out in the mix.

Damn, I need to listen to some Ted Nugent or something.

[EightyRock]

I didn't think it would be that evident, but I just listened to Toronto. It's obvious, the difference between the tiny part he is singing and the recorded part. Dude actually sounded like he was going to vomit at one point in the beginning where he sang a few words. I don't get why he would even go onstage in that shape.

[Rockindeano]

I didn't think it would be that evident, but I just listened to Toronto. It's obvious, the difference between the tiny part he is singing and the recorded part. Dude actually sounded like he was going to vomit at one point in the beginning where he sang a few words. I don't get why he would even go onstage in that shape.

He is being told to...

[AR]

I just thought they considered London Toronto(casino Rama), much like Irvine is considered LA...and we are talking 60 miles away.

I know what you mean. Shows played in Columbia, MD are called Washington, DC, despite the fact that the venue there is probably closer to Baltimore (where I live).

Deano, I'm taking your theory seriously. Even have a shout out to a friend who knows someone in the band and people in the industry.

I'm telling you that Feeling That Way on the show I'm listening to is very live vocally. I understand some of what you are hearing, especially about Casino Rama. Can't comment on the Greek. I own it, but haven't ever listened to it.

Most of my reaction comes from this London show, and the Baltimore one that I attended live and have a copy of. I'm very good at spotting lip synching. If they were doing it that night, then they are the very best in the world at it.

I may buy into that the vocal trickery heated up and was more prevalent at a couple shows to keep them from being cancelled. Listening to what I'm hearing now from London sounds pretty legit for the most part.

[Free]

Here is a PERFECT case of taping.

Now this is from Casino Rama, Toronto, ONT.

Higher Place. He sounds awful for the first 2:53. Then you can hear the double hiccup, and voila! perfecto! They turn him back on at 5:01. Embarrassing.

All Augeris' choruses are lipped but Deen is live. At one point Deen is singing a duet with a tape machine. Classic.

http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?a ... AD6914BF08

Ok,I lied.I have to make on more comment because this is absolutely... Seriously,one must be deaf not to hear this!
True,until 2:53 he is live and a little out of pitch towards the end.Then I hear the switch.It almost like I "felt" a fresh soundwave going through my ears.Major change,anyway.
I can see why they used this trick...SA was getting vocally tired and that is the most demanding part of the song.
I couldn't help noticing that Deen was killing himself in the background...for real.

And why were they doing this? To blind the fans becasue they thing they are stupid? No, trying to put on a good show? How long were the shows last year? I can overlook it.-ERIC

I don't mean this in a bad way but you are missing the point I think. You said that you can overlook it. Ok fine.

The point is that they are doing this a lot. If they want to do taped background vocals i think that is generally accepted even though it still shouldn't pass as a live show if they are gonna do it. Back to the point: THEY ARE PLAYING THE LEAD VOCAL!!

Who cares if the play the tape lead vocals 10 seconds or the whole song? It's still the same principle.

[Free]

I didn't think it would be that evident, but I just listened to Toronto. It's obvious, the difference between the tiny part he is singing and the recorded part. Dude actually sounded like he was going to vomit at one point in the beginning where he sang a few words. I don't get why he would even go onstage in that shape.

I know. Isn't it sad?

[AR]

What's "funny" about this is now you know why bands hate bootleg tapes.

I will give Kiss some credit for releasing their entire last tour on Instant Live CD's. They played more real than on the last few tours (WHICH WERE REALLY DOCTORED UP) vocally THEY didn't sound great on these - However, they let the shows go out as is.

[EightyRock]

They'd insist on him performing in that kind of shape? Seems like reason would say it would do more damage than good for the rest of the week, or maybe the rest of the tour. I don't get that line of thinking, but I'm not in charge of Journey, either. You'd think Augeri could say no (?)