Could it be Steve Augeri?

[NealIsGod]

[I love Journey and feel its a joy to hear Steve sing live if can no longer do this for me let me know as i will not pay him anymore,thats my right.

That's fine. I respect that. But keep in mind that you must apply that to all bands, most of which use recorded help to some extent.

[Big J]

One other thing people don't seem to be getting.

The practice of taped "sweetening" by bands predates Augeri's time with Journey by quite a ways. More than a decade, closer to two.

You know what I'm getting at.

[TRAGChick]

I could not imagine anyone controlling Andrew's voice (right, Joe Elliott? ) My thoughts are that most bands do it, some more than Journey, some less.

Other bands just don't have people bent on destroying them like Journey does.

Because other bands didn't have Steve Perry as their lead singer.

This is not some "schmo" that quit and had to be replaced.

This is the guy who put the superb "Rock Tenor" song delivery on the map.

[NealIsGod]

I could not imagine anyone controlling Andrew's voice (right, Joe Elliott? ) My thoughts are that most bands do it, some more than Journey, some less.

Other bands just don't have people bent on destroying them like Journey does.

Because other bands didn't have Steve Perry as their lead singer.

This is not some "schmo" that quit and had to be replaced.

This is the guy who put the superb "Rock Tenor" song delivery on the map.

And his obsessive fans can't accept that he is gone.

[NealIsGod]

One other thing people don't seem to be getting.

The practice of taped "sweetening" by bands predates Augeri's time with Journey by quite a ways. More than a decade, closer to two.

You know what I'm getting at.

[Liz22562]

Doesn't matter if Steve Perry is lead singer or not.

All of this is everyone's OPINION and OPINION only.

[TRAGChick]

I could not imagine anyone controlling Andrew's voice (right, Joe Elliott? ) My thoughts are that most bands do it, some more than Journey, some less.

Other bands just don't have people bent on destroying them like Journey does.

Because other bands didn't have Steve Perry as their lead singer.

This is not some "schmo" that quit and had to be replaced.

This is the guy who put the superb "Rock Tenor" song delivery on the map.

And his obsessive fans can't accept that he is gone.

I've accepted it.

[NealIsGod]

No comment.

[TRAGChick]

No comment.

Wait...

When you say "gone", do you mean "Gone from Journey"? or "Gone for Good"?

I meant "Gone from Journey".

[bionic]

[I love Journey and feel its a joy to hear Steve sing live if can no longer do this for me let me know as i will not pay him anymore,thats my right.

That's fine. I respect that. But keep in mind that you must apply that to all bands, most of which use recorded help to some extent.

Like i said to some extent i can accept that,but and this is a big BUT,if you have no voice or have lost the ability to play an instrument then i do not feel you have right to be on stage acting and getting payed. As a punter i reserve the right to decide what kind of a show i want to see.
I am sure that Iron Maiden Ted Nugent or AC/DC dont use much on stage trickery and i am happy to see them play live.Thats what makes a musician he has an ability or a gift above what others have and you pay to see him or her entertain you with that Gift/Ability.
If you no longer have that then you vcan no longer entertain me as such.

[NYer]

not a tenor, a soprano.

[A Fire Inside]

I have a really implausible suggestion, but given the amount of insanity over this it may not sound so implausible...

What if Augeri doesn't know? How well can he hear what's coming out of the speakers from the stage? What if he knows he sucks live, but thinks the crowd just doesn't care or likes it because he can't hear the PA mix? What if it's all between Elson and whoever else (probably Neal) and they've kept Augeri in the dark?

[Argus]

[I love Journey and feel its a joy to hear Steve sing live if can no longer do this for me let me know as i will not pay him anymore,thats my right.

That's fine. I respect that. But keep in mind that you must apply that to all bands, most of which use recorded help to some extent.

Like i said to some extent i can accept that,but and this is a big BUT,if you have no voice or have lost the ability to play an instrument then i do not feel you have right to be on stage acting and getting payed. As a punter i reserve the right to decide what kind of a show i want to see.
I am sure that Iron Maiden Ted Nugent or AC/DC dont use much on stage trickery and i am happy to see them play live.Thats what makes a musician he has an ability or a gift above what others have and you pay to see him or her entertain you with that Gift/Ability.
If you no longer have that then you vcan no longer entertain me as such.

Sigh.. did Leppard quit after the drummer had an accident and now has to augment the drum sounds, did the Eagles quit when they couldn't harmonize without the backing tapes, did Madonna/Janet/Michael/Cher et al quit because you can't dance/move like that and sing at the same time? Don't forget that the show you are going to see has every member playing music and singing live with backing filler tapes and synth stuff since the beginning. It's SOP in R&R and preformance art. Sorry you have never mixed live stuff or worked for an act, but this is all a given in the industry. The Mille Vanilli thing was shcoking because they didn't sing, the backup singers did. Did you know that all the keyboard parts in VH live shows were played under the stage by Alan Fitzgerald [Fitz]

[jrnyman28]

I have a really implausible suggestion, but given the amount of insanity over this it may not sound so implausible...

What if Augeri doesn't know? How well can he hear what's coming out of the speakers from the stage? What if he knows he sucks live, but thinks the crowd just doesn't care or likes it because he can't hear the PA mix? What if it's all between Elson and whoever else (probably Neal) and they've kept Augeri in the dark?

I thought of that, but it is doubtful since Lydia reads these boards. I am pretty sure she would say something...

[TRAGChick]

...What if Augeri doesn't know? How well can he hear what's coming out of the speakers from the stage? What if he knows he sucks live, but thinks the crowd just doesn't care or likes it because he can't hear the PA mix? What if it's all between Elson and whoever else (probably Neal) and they've kept Augeri in the dark?

That's what "stage monitors" (which are speakers that are aimed up at the singer and usually positioned literally "at their feet") are for....they reflect the singer's voice back at him/her.

That was the "old school" way of doing it...THESE days, the monitors are reduced down to earpieces that look like "hearing aids" with wires...the wires are put down the singer's back and plugged into remote boxes that they clip onto their clothing.

So really, there is no way to NOT hear yourself....unless, of course, the monitor's volume is not turned up to the proper level or gets obliterated by a louder guitar...that's happened to me and I was practically SCREAMING to be heard - and I still couldn't hear myself! I got the soundguy's attention and tapped one of my ears and pointed up....fixed immediately.

[DarwinNebraska]

Shine up classic Journey all you want, but if today's technology had been available to Steve Perry in 1986 when he needed it (badly) he'd have used it in a heartbeat.

Oh puhleeze. That's not the way to argue by making up stuff nobody can possibly know, let alone you.

[jrnyman28]

...What if Augeri doesn't know? How well can he hear what's coming out of the speakers from the stage? What if he knows he sucks live, but thinks the crowd just doesn't care or likes it because he can't hear the PA mix? What if it's all between Elson and whoever else (probably Neal) and they've kept Augeri in the dark?

That's what "stage monitors" (which are speakers that are aimed up at the singer and usually positioned literally "at their feet") are for....they reflect the singer's voice back at him/her.

That was the "old school" way of doing it...THESE days, the monitors are reduced down to earpieces that look like "hearing aids" with wires...the wires are put down the singer's back and plugged into remote boxes that they clip onto their clothing.

So really, there is no way to NOT hear yourself....unless, of course, the monitor's volume is not turned up to the proper level or gets obliterated by a louder guitar...that's happened to me and I was practically SCREAMING to be heard - and I still couldn't hear myself! I got the soundguy's attention and tapped one of my ears and pointed up....fixed immediately.

I think the point was "what if" Steve hears himself, but does not know what is coming out of the PA? According to the "sound guy" story, there are two different feeds.

[*Laura]

What if Augeri doesn't know? How well can he hear what's coming out of the speakers from the stage? What if he knows he sucks live, but thinks the crowd just doesn't care or likes it because he can't hear the PA mix? What if it's all between Elson and whoever else (probably Neal) and they've kept Augeri in the dark?

Honestly...I thought...I thought I have seen it all,but this...well, this is...sorry,I can't even find the right words....
This is by far the most incredibly ridiculous idea I have ever heard being said about singers.It's not even amusing.

If Augeri is not AWARE about the things that are happening on stage while he is singing ,then ...I can't even continue this.Jesus Christ.
Fire,nothing against you,but please...how could this idea even cross your mind?

[TRAGChick]

...What if Augeri doesn't know? How well can he hear what's coming out of the speakers from the stage? What if he knows he sucks live, but thinks the crowd just doesn't care or likes it because he can't hear the PA mix? What if it's all between Elson and whoever else (probably Neal) and they've kept Augeri in the dark?

That's what "stage monitors" (which are speakers that are aimed up at the singer and usually positioned literally "at their feet") are for....they reflect the singer's voice back at him/her.

That was the "old school" way of doing it...THESE days, the monitors are reduced down to earpieces that look like "hearing aids" with wires...the wires are put down the singer's back and plugged into remote boxes that they clip onto their clothing.

So really, there is no way to NOT hear yourself....unless, of course, the monitor's volume is not turned up to the proper level or gets obliterated by a louder guitar...that's happened to me and I was practically SCREAMING to be heard - and I still couldn't hear myself! I got the soundguy's attention and tapped one of my ears and pointed up....fixed immediately.

I think the point was "what if" Steve hears himself, but does not know what is coming out of the PA? According to the "sound guy" story, there are two different feeds.

Well, then that's just completely *&^%ed up.

It's hard ENOUGH to sing a song LIVE....as it's actually happening and ACTUALLY SINGING - what a concept!

And THEN worry about some bull$#!T SECONDARY TRACK on TOP OF THAT?!

[jrnyman28]

What if Augeri doesn't know? How well can he hear what's coming out of the speakers from the stage? What if he knows he sucks live, but thinks the crowd just doesn't care or likes it because he can't hear the PA mix? What if it's all between Elson and whoever else (probably Neal) and they've kept Augeri in the dark?

Honestly...I thought...I thought I have seen it all,but this...well, this is...sorry,I can't even find the right words....
This is by far the most incredibly ridiculous idea I have ever heard being said about singers.It's not even amusing.

If Augeri is not AWARE about the things that are happening on stage while he is singing ,then ...I can't even continue this.Jesus Christ.
Fire,nothing against you,but please...how could this idea even cross your mind?

First off, Fire did say it was likely implausible. But again, I don't think it is really about what's happening "on stage". This is a case of the man behind the curtain.

[Big J]

Shine up classic Journey all you want, but if today's technology had been available to Steve Perry in 1986 when he needed it (badly) he'd have used it in a heartbeat.

Oh puhleeze. That's not the way to argue by making up stuff nobody can possibly know, let alone you.

K, you can cut the personally-directed crap right there. Especially given that you presumably read all the hatchet job pieces here and still apparently came to the conclusion that he's lipping, not being played over as the accusations actually state.

Reading comprehension's a must, or you're outta your league.

[Big J]

I have a really implausible suggestion, but given the amount of insanity over this it may not sound so implausible...

What if Augeri doesn't know? How well can he hear what's coming out of the speakers from the stage? What if he knows he sucks live, but thinks the crowd just doesn't care or likes it because he can't hear the PA mix? What if it's all between Elson and whoever else (probably Neal) and they've kept Augeri in the dark?

I thought of that, but it is doubtful since Lydia reads these boards. I am pretty sure she would say something...

If she does, then I hope she knows that here's one fan who has an IMMENSE amount of respect for her husband as an artist and will continue to, as well as the band he's in. The music he's created with Journey in the short time he's been there (well, in relative terms...8 yrs in a 30+ yr band)...has inspired me and been very enjoyable. I hope and know there's more to come.

[Liz22562]

Well said Big J - well said!

[*Laura]

Fire did say it was likely implausible.

It really IS.Completely absurd.

[Big J]

:D Well said Big J - well said!

Thanks, and you know what, with that, I'm gonna take my Journey fandom and duck out of this topic and others like it altogether.

I love the band, I have a great deal of respect for Steve, and that's all. For me, that's enough.

See ya guys.

[DarwinNebraska]

K, you can cut the personally-directed crap right there. Especially given that you presumably read all the hatchet job pieces here and still apparently came to the conclusion that he's lipping, not being played over as the accusations actually state.

I haven't come to any conclusions.

And I've also not travelled back in time like you have and figured out that Steve Perry most assuredly would have used current technologies to help his voice.

Please don't state your fantasies as fact

[junky]

Fire did say it was likely implausible.

It really IS.Completely absurd.

In this situation, I agree, but I have seen this done before.

It's distgusting.

These producers that worked in a studio I managed convinced pretty girls they could sing, would even send them out on club dates with their fixed up vocals coming throught the PA, just so these guys could, well, you know, get some.

I tried to warn some of them, which ended up getting me fired.

[Big J]

K, you can cut the personally-directed crap right there. Especially given that you presumably read all the hatchet job pieces here and still apparently came to the conclusion that he's lipping, not being played over as the accusations actually state.

I haven't come to any conclusions.

And I've also not travelled back in time like you have and figured out that Steve Perry most assuredly would have used current technologies to help his voice.

Please don't state your fantasies as fact

LOL you're delusional.

[Rockindeano]

Naw.. check the posting address of Spanky, he's DEANO just posting in another area of MelodicRock. 232.129.91.Dial1.LosAngeles1.Level3.net With Deano's logic , if he's not on this php bb it's fine to carry on elsewhere on the site.

Hey asshole. I am in Camarillo. Not quite right there dickface. If you are going to accuse, accuse properly. Right, Mark? Yeah, I know who you REALLY are.

Andrew, care to validate this charge? Will you please post to this cockface that "Spanky" is not me.

Thank You.

Ace, er, Mark, I'll see you at a show, you can count on that, asshole.

[Rockindeano]

Doesn't matter if Steve Perry is lead singer or not.

All of this is everyone's OPINION and OPINION only.

You're correct, for now. That might change come next week.