LA Radio Station Reports

[EightyRock]

I read this on a couple of sites this morning,

"the story has definitly hit the mainstream media. I just heard the late night DJ on KLOS 95.5 in Los Angeles talk about the lip synching allegations, even gave Dean's blog addy. This was after playing a block of Classic Journey. He started by saying, "Gee, I hope we don't have another Milli Vanilli."

[Rockindeano]

Yeah heard it mentioned 6 times now. KLOS 95.5 is the host station for "Rockline."

Don't think it will end here, unfortunately.

[Argus]

Yeah heard it mentioned 6 times now. KLOS 95.5 is the host station for "Rockline."

Don't think it will end here, unfortunately.

Why would you say unfortunately Isn't this what you wanted all along the fame, the fortune, to be locked into the Great Conspiracy forever Who is next on your list, Bruce, The Stones, The Who, Aerosmith

[wildone]

Yeah heard it mentioned 6 times now. KLOS 95.5 is the host station for "Rockline."

Don't think it will end here, unfortunately.

Why would you say unfortunately Isn't this what you wanted all along the fame, the fortune, to be locked into the Great Conspiracy forever Who is next on your list, Bruce, The Stones, The Who, Aerosmith

I think all he really wanted was for them to come clean ...and then it just blew up from there...they could've put a stop to this awhile ago but chose to ignore it..

[Rockindeano]

I could careless about The Who, Aerosmith is as bad if not worse than Journey, The Stones WOULD kill me to silence me, and Bruce is all live all the time.

To answer your question, all I wanted was for them to come clean. That's it.

[augeri1]

Yeah heard it mentioned 6 times now. KLOS 95.5 is the host station for "Rockline."

Don't think it will end here, unfortunately.

Why would you say unfortunately Isn't this what you wanted all along the fame, the fortune, to be locked into the Great Conspiracy forever Who is next on your list, Bruce, The Stones, The Who, Aerosmith

I think all he really wanted was for them to come clean ...and then it just blew up from there...they could've put a stop to this awhile ago but chose to ignore it..

Simply come clean? of what? He has no friggin proof of anything! still NOTHING..yet he keeps reaching. He keeps changing his agenda..first it's "come clean or else" then it changed to the $ the band owe's him now it's make Deen the lead singer or I'll continue on with the tape gate...one thing that hasn't changed though..he gets off on the attention.

[Liz22562]

So then you need to ask all of them to come clean. Why stop or start (for that matter) with Journey? You mentioned how you've seen other bands in concert. Go after them all! You are not teaching any one any kind of lesson. All that has been posted on these boards is how who uses what kind of dat, digi, cd, tape, cassettes, 8 tracks, click tracks, toilet paper, etc, etc. AD NAUSEUM.

Reading this forum is like reading a book. It gets so addictive because you can't wait to read the next part of the series. Most of you remind me of a bunch of bullies that were let loose in a circus ring.

Nothing any one says any more is news and again is all predictable. Its been beaten, rehashed, and regurgitated over and over and over.

Can't wait for the sequel.

[AR]

Actually this topic is much like the steroids/HGH contraversy in Major League Baseball. Journey is not the only, nor the biggest offender by a long shot.

[Rockindeano]

Actually this topic is much like the steroids/HGH contraversy in Major League Baseball. Journey is not the only, nor the biggest offender by a long shot.

Actually, NO ONE is doing this crap that Journey is doing. Sure a bunch of Bands do backing and a little help, but Journey has taken this to an all new level.

Liz, I am not George Mitchell (the investigator of MLB steroids). I am Dean, longtime hardcore fan of Journey. Sure Aerosmith does it and Def Lippard a little bit, but I only care about Journey. I care about how they do things. They have always been musically above Def Lippard, Styx, REO, Kansas, Aerosmith and others. Journey is NOT supposed to be some 5 cent toy in the bubble gum machine. They are supposed to be a Rolls Royce...Ok, if they can't be a RR, then be a Mercedes, not a Yugo!

I can tell you exactly what Mgt and PR are trying to achieve. They are hoping by going a little bit live the first couple weeks, this will all die down and go away. I am sad to say it won't, because a great many of us will be watching the entire tour.

Not to be mean, but if anyone says Augeri "sounded great" he was matter of factly "lipping." It's sad but true. However, I am fine with that. If he sounds like rotted ass, and he is singing, I will NEVER criticize his morality.

[WalrusOct9]

Just out of curiosity, what do the Stones do? Jagger's usually all over the place vocally, and their songs rarely, if ever stretch the high range of his voice like Journey or Bon Jovi or anything like that. I've heard some bootlegs where they've had some pretty bad nights (and some pretty good ones as well)so I doubt there's anything fishy there.


I still can't belive there's people who don't believe that this Journey thing is true. It's so obvious what's going on just from listening, but...I guess if you really don't want to believe something bad enough...

[AR]

Actually, NO ONE is doing this crap that Journey is doing. Sure a bunch of Bands do backing and a little help, but Journey has taken this to an all new level.

Plenty are, maybe not in our line of music that we like. But plenty are and receive virtual free passes on it in this American Idol culture of music.

I am "patiently" awaiting a recording from last night.

Again, I have no problem with Augeri defering to Deen on high notes. Brad Delp does that with Fran Cosmo all the time and readily admits it. It's a band/team effort.

It's using the pre-recorded vocals the bothers me.

Kiss started this shit. No they don't do it for paying customers. But on national appearances like the Super Bowl, they record the song in soundcheck then lip synch during the telecast. Makes it difficult to tell because it sounds live and doesn't resemble any previous recording (unlike JRNY using the 2001 Vegas DVD).

However I will give Kiss credit that this has only occurred on special events not on a full tour where people are paying to see them.

I did mention the Journey contraversy to a lot of people last night. No one cared. I'm not kidding.

[KittyKat]

Will you stop it with The DL crap? Time and time again they have had to prove they aren't using tape and have addressed that issue to fans and the general public. If you want to keep using other bands as examples please make sure you are talking about the ones who do. The production on Dl's studio albums are the main reason this rumor gets lobbied about when in truth they had to rework the songs after the album to play them live so anybody should be able to hear the difference. Unlike Journey DL do get concerned over stuff like this and do address the issues when they crop up time and time again. Did you not read Andrew's post either about them? I'm a little upset with them over this crap because if they know Journey is doing it they shouldn't be condoning it but then again seems like they don't believe it either.

[KittyKat]

Just out of curiosity, what do the Stones do? Jagger's usually all over the place vocally, and their songs rarely, if ever stretch the high range of his voice like Journey or Bon Jovi or anything like that. I've heard some bootlegs where they've had some pretty bad nights (and some pretty good ones as well)so I doubt there's anything fishy there.


I still can't belive there's people who don't believe that this Journey thing is true. It's so obvious what's going on just from listening, but...I guess if you really don't want to believe something bad enough...

I've been reading lots of reviews from last nights show and it's amazing how many believe it was all live but a few here said it wasn't so I don't know.

[AR]

I've been reading lots of reviews from last nights show and it's amazing how many believe it was all live but a few here said it wasn't so I don't know.

I've stated that it was partially live. Obviously the Deen and J Cain tunes which account for 5. Augeri sang some, more than recently IMO (and it's just that - opinion)

He definitely looked to Deen for help a few times. No way he does that if they are using the tape at that point. (and I know it was used for portions)

Whatever was done, they are VERY good at it. I was looking for it on the video screens and it was impossible to pick up.

[Rockindeano]

I've been reading lots of reviews from last nights show and it's amazing how many believe it was all live but a few here said it wasn't so I don't know.

BT reviews don't count. I have no doubt they are filing fake reports to flood the positives up on that site. So blind. But hey, each their own over there. This board is all about truth. BT to Journey is what FOX News is to republicans. Obviously biased.

Read the DL reviews? Many said they (Journey) were ok, but no one though Augeri was even average. Thank God for Deen

[Rockindeano]

Whatever was done, they are VERY good at it. I was looking for it on the video screens and it was impossible to pick up.

I believe you. You seem smart, and sensible.

They are very good at it. No doubt they know they are being watched. So all this effort on my part has already paid off. This is all I wanted.

Now, as far as "they are good at it" re: lipping....you bet they are. After a years' practice, you should be good at anything. And I told you, that you cannot tell if they are lipping live in person. Firstly, you can't see his lips because of that giant Jia pet microphone, and secondly, it is so fast moving, he can hide it pretty good.

[conversationpc]

They have always been musically above Def Lippard, Styx, REO, Kansas, Aerosmith and others.

Above Kansas? Kansas is one of the few bands that sounds WAY better live than on their albums. I've seen them 7 or 8 times over the last 10 years and they've never sounded bad. Well, with the exception of Steve Walsh anyway. He almost completely ruined his voice through drug abuse back in the late 80's to early 90's. Fortunately, he's gotten cleaned up and his voice has recovered quite a bit. Anyway, they are able to pull of some great music that is typically much more complex than anything that Journey still plays today. That's not to say it's necessarily better music, but more complex nonetheless.

[conversationpc]

Again, I have no problem with Augeri defering to Deen on high notes. Brad Delp does that with Fran Cosmo all the time and readily admits it. It's a band/team effort.

I love Delp! Some of those harmonies on those first three Boston albums are incredible. Anyway, Delp does flat out admit that he can't hit those high notes anymore and that's what Cosmo does so well. They were outstanding when I saw them two summers ago.

[KittyKat]

I know what's going on guys, I'm following along and was patiently waiting to see what was gonna happen on the first show. Deen I do know the BT forum is gonna be biased just take a look and compare their reviews to the DL fans reviews for proof of that. My point is that they are still in denial but others are watching and looking for it too now that word is out. One DL fan suggested booing them off stage and maybe DL would come on early Even though those fans are there to see DL anyway they don't like the idea of being scammed either.

Deeno what do you mean when you keep saying this is all I wanted? I've seen you post that a couple of times but don't quite get it. You are satisfied that they are doing a little more live and splitting up the vocals?I saw a DL fan comment about how many songs that weren't done by the lead singer with a clear indication of what that meant so as I said others are noticing things and taking a closer look at this band.

[Rockindeano]

Conversationpc,

I do honestly think Kansas cannot touch Journey musically. Just think for a minute. The Beatles..Paul, Ringo, John, and George all had talent, and they also had talent outside the Beatles. Journey has had that as well..Perry, Schon, Smith (Vital Info), Friga and even Ross. Not saying this is the standard of talent, to see how your solo works go, but..........

Schon, Cain and Perry were arguably the best songwriting team of all time..

I do not think now my argument holds water. I think they are downright lazy. Neal of course isn't, but regarding Journey he is lazy. Hell, he didn't even know Generations was mixed and done..He was so out of that whole mess. They slapped a gold and orange captured beetle on a cardboard sleeve and called it good. That sucks.

I say Journey is more talented than Kansas because even tho Kansas is a prog rock band and Journey no longer is, Journey used to do that. Now they have obviously changed course. I don't think Kansas can do what Journey does (lead vocals exempt)..

[DarwinNebraska]

Journey is NOT supposed to be some 5 cent toy in the bubble gum machine. They are supposed to be a Rolls Royce...Ok, if they can't be a RR, then be a Mercedes, not a Yugo!

You're a fucking clown.

Kill yourself.

[DarwinNebraska]

Schon, Cain and Perry were arguably the best songwriting team of all time..

Ever heard of Lennon/McCarney... Jagger/Richards... John/Taupen.

Get back on your meds.

[Rockindeano]

I said Perry/Schon/Cain are ONE of the best, NOT the best.

Oops, MY FAULT. Sorry, I meant "one of the"..My bad.

I would put McCartney/Lennon, Jaegger/Keith Elvis/anybody, Springsteen even Adams/Vallance over Perry/Cain/Neal.

Sorry.

[KittyKat]

See, this is why I asked you not to bring other bands in it. I could argue in favor of DL too on many points but I'm seeing you don't know that much about them in the first place. Like the fact that they have sold over 65 million records (DL thread) you didn't know that they changed their music from what they produced in studio to be abe able to perform live. Not my opinion but a few articles I've read as of late I suppose because of their resurgence it's pointed out that at one time DL had one of the best guitarists in rock. I read that twice recently, Steve Clark maybe? I know you probably don't know how multi talented the entire band is when it comes to playing and writing.

Ok I'm probably boring you and I could go on but just keep in mind that there are a lot of great artists out there besides Journey. I like them too but I hate to see comparisons that are insulting to other artists because who's better is sometimes just a matter of opinion and what you like.

[conversationpc]

I say Journey is more talented than Kansas because even tho Kansas is a prog rock band and Journey no longer is, Journey used to do that. Now they have obviously changed course. I don't think Kansas can do what Journey does (lead vocals exempt)..

The songwriting bit is subjective. Kerry Livgren is one of my all-time favorite songwriters. He doesn't write hits but, then again, he hasn't and doesn't write love songs, either. Unfortunately, most of what the masses want to hear is about love or lack thereof.

As far as just straight up musical talent, I think Kansas is at least equal to Journey. Actually, the lineup in the early 90's with Steve Walsh, Rich Williams, Phil Ehart, Billy Greer, David Ragsdale, and Greg Robert was probably better musically, in my opinion, than the current lineup of Journey.

[Rockindeano]

Agreed, conversationpc.

[Maui Tom]

Yep Kansas....think they are playing the third of three sold out shows at Sonic in Big Spring, TX today.

Big Spring's own The Cowtippers open....

[whocares]

I disagree that people just want to hear (sappy) love type songs or lack thereof. But I'll certainly agree that most every song out there is a love song of some sort. No matter if it's folk songs singing about saving tree's or not sending soldiers off to wars we dont' need to be in, or whatever. It's all about love, in some degree.

[JrnySuxBalls]

I think they are downright lazy. Neal of course isn't, but regarding Journey he is lazy. Hell, he didn't even know Generations was mixed and done..He was so out of that whole mess. They slapped a gold and orange captured beetle on a cardboard sleeve and called it good. That sucks.

+1

[conversationpc]

Yep Kansas....think they are playing the third of three sold out shows at Sonic in Big Spring, TX today.

Big Spring's own The Cowtippers open....

I never said they were still popular, Tom, and don't particularly care if they ever are again. They're still playing, though, and as well as they ever have, in my opinion.