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Rockn'deano wrote:I wonder why all the defenders of this lallegation, er, deed, hasn't responded to Jeremy's thread? A certified, unbiased professional engineer, mixer, voice artist takes two hours and analyzes shows...and yet NO ONE here will go in that thread and talk about it. Then you say NO evidence was put forth.
What the Fuck you all want for evidence? Tell me, I'll get it.
I don't expect any responses here either. Spineless wimps.
LAWoman wrote:Where is the original tape.
JDouglee wrote:LAWoman wrote:Where is the original tape.
THAT is so easy to trace.
LAWoman wrote:JDouglee wrote:LAWoman wrote:Where is the original tape.
THAT is so easy to trace.
So do it.
JDouglee wrote:LAWoman wrote:Where is the original tape.
THAT is so easy to trace.
At Dime they always list the taper. No one alters anything, and if so they
would most likely be banned for life.
Journey/Survivor wrote:Actually I was about to mention this on the thread that he started, but I'll say it here instead.
A couple of hours ago I got together with some buddies of mine who are also musicians. I was telling them about your claim and about Jerremy's post. My one friend who is a keyboardist is also an engineer at a local studio in the Cleveland area, and he basically said that it would have been virtually impossible for him to have properly done an accurate match up of the vocals, he would have had to have gone in and piece by piece after piece removed everything from both recordings with the exception of the lead vocals, but including everything like crowd noise.
He explained things much more clearly than I can at the momment, and was specific about everything that would have had to have been done.
I will give him a call in a few days and ask him to e-mail me the explanation so I can explain it better myself.
Maybe I can get him to sign up and come on these boards?
JDouglee wrote:LAWoman wrote:JDouglee wrote:LAWoman wrote:Where is the original tape.
THAT is so easy to trace.
So do it.
Which shows do you want?
LAWoman wrote:JDouglee wrote:LAWoman wrote:Where is the original tape.
THAT is so easy to trace.
At Dime they always list the taper. No one alters anything, and if so they
would most likely be banned for life.
Yeah, that's quite some quality control. Banned for life from a bootleg site. I know it's pristine just because they always are. That's proof to you?
Rockn'deano wrote:Journey/Survivor wrote:Actually I was about to mention this on the thread that he started, but I'll say it here instead.
A couple of hours ago I got together with some buddies of mine who are also musicians. I was telling them about your claim and about Jerremy's post. My one friend who is a keyboardist is also an engineer at a local studio in the Cleveland area, and he basically said that it would have been virtually impossible for him to have properly done an accurate match up of the vocals, he would have had to have gone in and piece by piece after piece removed everything from both recordings with the exception of the lead vocals, but including everything like crowd noise.
He explained things much more clearly than I can at the momment, and was specific about everything that would have had to have been done.
I will give him a call in a few days and ask him to e-mail me the explanation so I can explain it better myself.
Maybe I can get him to sign up and come on these boards?
Well, it took Jeremy, a professional at this, 3 hours to do it.
Ok, I can accept that. Jeremy doesn't know what the fuck he is doing. Gotcha.
Barb, for you to go to the "origin of tape" is ridiculous. Jeremy also proved in his thread, that the tapes were NOT doctored.
You both are reaching.
JDouglee wrote:LAWoman wrote:JDouglee wrote:LAWoman wrote:Where is the original tape.
THAT is so easy to trace.
At Dime they always list the taper. No one alters anything, and if so they
would most likely be banned for life.
Yeah, that's quite some quality control. Banned for life from a bootleg site. I know it's pristine just because they always are. That's proof to you?
You obviously know nothing about those communities.
JDouglee wrote:Tell ya what, I'll record 2 L.A. shows with my mini disc recorder. You stand by me thru the recording process, and watch me split the songs into tracks. Then put the headphones on.
Doing what you're suggesting, "altering" bootlegs really doesn't happen, and if you were to, it would take hours & hours. Even then, you could NOT get rid of the original vocal track from the show. Impossible. I don't care how you EQ it or use phase reversal. It ain't gonna happen.
LAWoman wrote:No, I don't participate in bootlegging. Sorry. I believe in respecting the artists wishes--but that is another topic.
LAWoman wrote:JDouglee wrote:Tell ya what, I'll record 2 L.A. shows with my mini disc recorder. You stand by me thru the recording process, and watch me split the songs into tracks. Then put the headphones on.
Doing what you're suggesting, "altering" bootlegs really doesn't happen, and if you were to, it would take hours & hours. Even then, you could NOT get rid of the original vocal track from the show. Impossible. I don't care how you EQ it or use phase reversal. It ain't gonna happen.
Well, lucky for you there aren't any L.A. shows this year. If you actually think I would stand by while someone is illegally recording a concert, you are mistaken.
LAWoman wrote: I believe in respecting the artists wishes--but that is another topic.
JDouglee wrote:LAWoman wrote:No, I don't participate in bootlegging. Sorry. I believe in respecting the artists wishes--but that is another topic.
Ok discredit a community you don't care to learn anything about. Fine no problem.
A couple of hours ago I got together with some buddies of mine who are also musicians. I was telling them about your claim and about Jerremy's post. My one friend who is a keyboardist is also an engineer at a local studio in the Cleveland area, and he basically said that it would have been virtually impossible for him to have properly done an accurate match up of the vocals, he would have had to have gone in and piece by piece after piece removed everything from both recordings with the exception of the lead vocals, but including everything like crowd noise.
No, I don't participate in bootlegging. Sorry. I believe in respecting the artists wishes--but that is another topic.
LAWoman wrote:I want the name of the original bootleger where when and how he taped the thing and the original, unaltered tape. You think a bootlegger is going to provide that? He'd be insane to unless he wants to be prosecuted.
WalrusOct9 wrote:
If it's good enough to pipe over P.A. speakers in front of a paying crowd, it's good enough to be recorded and listened to. I'm against the selling of bootlegs, which allows someone to make a profit off of music that's not theirs, but free trading and sharing of live recordings is a good thing (unless of course your band sucks live).
rubiconman wrote:LAWoman wrote:I want the name of the original bootleger where when and how he taped the thing and the original, unaltered tape. You think a bootlegger is going to provide that? He'd be insane to unless he wants to be prosecuted.
Hey Grissom,
You want each evidence packed and labeled in separate bags..???
Greg
LAWoman wrote:
Go back to the original issue. Proof. You (or Dean or whoever is asserting this) have a chain of custody problem. You expect to just say: "believe me, I know it" and it's true. That's not how proof works. No problem
.
LAWoman wrote:
And as for discrediting a "community" I don't really care to participate in a "community" that goes against the specific wishes of artists (and commits crimes also, btw). But as I said--that's a different issue.
Rockn'deano wrote:LAWoman wrote:
Go back to the original issue. Proof. You (or Dean or whoever is asserting this) have a chain of custody problem. You expect to just say: "believe me, I know it" and it's true. That's not how proof works. No problem
.
Ok, Barb, I found a way to do it..prove to you where they were recorded from.
I will have to upload the entire CD..because Fraudgeri doesn't greet the host city in every song, however, he does at least once per disc...so if I could do that, would you believe me?
Rockn'deano wrote:Hey Barb, listen....I hear an ambulance, go chase it.
Leave your courtroom shit out of this..always seeking a technicality, or a loophole.
Career of a man? Fuck him. I hope he never works again in this business after what he is pulling.
LAWoman wrote:JDouglee wrote:Tell ya what, I'll record 2 L.A. shows with my mini disc recorder. You stand by me thru the recording process, and watch me split the songs into tracks. Then put the headphones on.
Doing what you're suggesting, "altering" bootlegs really doesn't happen, and if you were to, it would take hours & hours. Even then, you could NOT get rid of the original vocal track from the show. Impossible. I don't care how you EQ it or use phase reversal. It ain't gonna happen.
Well, lucky for you there aren't any L.A. shows this year. If you actually think I would stand by while someone is illegally recording a concert, you are mistaken.
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