You know what's kinda funny about this?

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Postby conversationpc » Tue Jun 27, 2006 10:30 pm

NealIsGod wrote:Dude, posts like this show how ridiculously extreme you take this. They didn't take five years of your life. Journey is my favorite band, too, but you act like they broke into your house and killed your kids or something. I assume this anger actually stems from the way Pit and his crew have treated you. But the things you are saying about the band and how this has affected your life sure doesn't reflect well on your mental health.


I agree. This has gone way over the top and seems to be more of a crusade or obsession than anything else.

And the things you are saying about their character. Come on. Are you perfect?


Exactly. How about the following just from his last post?

Nice try dickhead.
You can take your theory and go shove it straight up your ass.
These dumbshits all sat around one day...
Thanks for taking FIVE years of my life, you classless cocksuckers.


If you lost five years of your life, you have only yourself to blame, not Journey. Regardless of if your accusations turn out to be right or not, you're hypocritical to use the term "classless". Your use of profanity only makes you look like an uneducated moron.
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Postby Eric » Tue Jun 27, 2006 11:15 pm

Come on Deano...what happened to you that made you so mad?
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Re: You know what's kinda funny about this?

Postby ohsherrie » Wed Jun 28, 2006 12:53 am

conversationpc wrote:What I think is kinda funny is that all the Perryheads are clamoring on and on about this supposed lip-synching stuff but this may end up hurting Perry just as much as Augeri or the rest of Journey, simply because a vast majority of the clueless public equates Steve Perry with Journey and vice versa. (how's that for a run-on sentence... :lol:)



You're right, and I've realized that from the beginning. I know a lot of people who know the name Journey don't even know any names to connect with it other than Steve Perry. I haven't been on here "clamoring" because I'm a Perryhead or because I resent them having another frontman. I only got involved because so many Augeri supporters were on here trying to tie Perry into it. I don't like what this is doing to the Journey legacy because of the way it's going to tarnish the glory of the Steve Perry years. I don't think there's been much to worry about damaging since then. I also think the only way to repair the damage, to the extent that it can be, is for this band to admit what they've been doing and make it clear that it's only happened since they tried it with another frontman. I know that's not going to happen though.

The Journey name is just screwed, and it's nobody's fault but Neal's and Jon's. Augeri made a bad decision in going along with it, but he's not the boss. All Dean did was report it. Saying he or the Perry fans are responsible for what's happening(and I know that's not what you're saying) is like saying Washington Post reporters were responsible for the Nixon's downfall. I guess in a way that can be said, but they didn't do the crime, they just reported it. (Not that I'm equating this in importance to major political issues.)

I know a lot of the people who have been fighting this, or ignoring it, are doing so out of loyalty to Journey and hoping to avoid having the legacy discredited. I understand how they feel, but the band could have prevented this by making a statement early on. All they would have had to do is tell people the truth. Everyone knows that live performances by many of the current artists of today are just that, performances. Starting with Madonna and on down through the boy bands and Britney and Cher(bless her heart) the shows have been choreographed production numbers set to a track of their recordings. The standards have changed since the concerts of the bands that filled the stadiums. There really are very few real live rock concerts anymore. The band could have used this as justification if they'd spun it the right way. I'm not saying I think that's right, I actually think it sucks, but it would have been one option for the band to try and salvage something from this. Instead, they're choosing to ignore it for whatever reasons and pretend that they're still doing it the old fashioned way, so again, they're the ones who are damaging the legacy.

I still think the majority of the people who attend their shows will continue to do so because they're not expecting what people used to expect from a concert. Maybe that's all the band really cares about. Bringing in the dollars from the performances.
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Postby Perry_Rainbows » Wed Jun 28, 2006 12:56 am

conversationpc wrote: Your use of profanity only makes you look like an uneducated moron.


I think it makes it him more human.
I dont know about u, but I can sense his fiery indignation right thru my screen.
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Postby Red13JoePa » Wed Jun 28, 2006 12:59 am

Journey/Survivor wrote:
rubiconman wrote:
Journey/Survivor wrote:Here's the perfect example of someone who clearly was not a true Journey fan.
Maybe Deano may have had most or even all of the albums, but a true fan would not be on a mission to bring down the band and make ignorant comments like that.

Only someone with true hatred in them would try to stir up all of this shit! That is why I stand by my claim that you never were really a Journey fan!


Oh, man...what a stupid post...!

Oh and by the way, why the fuck would you equate Journey to family, your child, etc..????


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You think it's a stupidcomment because you have the same ignorant and childish mind that Deano does. Being a reasonable person is beyond you.

Is that your picture that is posted with your posts? If it is I guess you never got the memo, this is 2006 not 1988.



:lol: No, RubiconRay's avatar is Lukather. Just goes to show you that avatars, good bad or indifferent become associated with actually being the poster's face. Especially when they're constant like Rubiconman's. He pisses me off sometimes, but I'd be pissed if he changed that avatar.
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Postby Abitaman » Wed Jun 28, 2006 12:59 am

Journey/Survivor wrote:
Rockn'deano wrote:Perry is hurt in every way in which journey is, However, I don't think they can be sued by Perry, because he signed over the whatever it is he did......

They ruin the name, he has no recourse.

This band is in the toilet...

Fuck them. Was it worth it, Jon? Yeah, Jon. I know what's up. Care to be a man in your sorry life?

Come on Jon, Herbie was right...and I quote, "you are a motherfucker."



Here's the perfect example of someone who clearly was not a true Journey fan.
Maybe Deano may have had most or even all of the albums, but a true fan would not be on a mission to bring down the band and make ignorant comments like that.

Deano, I know that someone gave out your personal information, and I agree that it was totally wrong for them to have done that :!:

I won't bring any family members of yours into this is a personal way, so please keep in mind I am not trying to disrespect any family member of yours :!: :!: :!:

But I want to use this analogy.

From what I have read I guess you have a child or children?
I'm sure you love them!

Does your kid ever do anything that you feel is wrong and it makes you feel mad?

If your child does that do you stop loving them?
Do you go on a mission to bring them down?
Do you call them a motherfucker?

If you truly love your child then you certainly don't do those things :!: :!: :!:

I know that a band is not the same as a family member, believe me. But still how can you claim that you have been a true fan of the band and yet you are trying to bring them down and you call them motherfuckers and other things like that?

I have had friendships end in the past in a way that was kind of bitter. But I have never gone on and on about that person trying to convince the world that he or she was a terrible person. I just moved on without them in my life.

If you really were a fan of the band, and you truly believe that they are lip-syncing, then why don't you just say "Ok, I'm done with them, and now I'm going to move on with my life?"

Only someone with true hatred in them would try to stir up all of this shit! That is why I stand by my claim that you never were really a Journey fan!


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Postby Marabelle » Wed Jun 28, 2006 1:05 am

good post OhSherri. But I'm thinking that Steve P is doing something to make sure that most people understand that there was a Journey with Steve Perry with wonderful classic tunes and then there was a band called Journey with another singer. Even if he doesn't consciously realize it; he is insuring that most fans recognize his music with the band and that there is no correlation between his singing with Journey and the other singer singing with Journey. I don't think most people would even imagine that Steve Perry needed anything to enhance his vocals to make them sound differently or better. He just sang. Unfortunately this might not be the case with the other singer. I don't think the public is stupid or dumb. They remember his
voice, miss his voice and know it is a gift. The music, the tapes, the DVDs and the CDs all
resonate with Steve Perry. We don't have much in that way with the last lead singer for Journey. Those memories with SA might be something entirely different.
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Postby A Fire Inside » Wed Jun 28, 2006 1:10 am

Perry_Rainbows wrote:I think it makes it him more human.
I dont know about u, but I can sense his fiery indignation right thru my screen.

I'm starting to think this is Perry in disguise. :lol:
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Postby ohsherrie » Wed Jun 28, 2006 1:12 am

Marabelle wrote:good post OhSherri. But I'm thinking that Steve P is doing something to make sure that most people understand that there was a Journey with Steve Perry with wonderful classic tunes and then there was a band called Journey with another singer. Even if he doesn't consciously realize it; he is insuring that most fans recognize his music with the band and that there is no correlation between his singing with Journey and the other singer singing with Journey. I don't think most people would even imagine that Steve Perry needed anything to enhance his vocals to make them sound differently or better. He just sang. Unfortunately this might not be the case with the other singer. I don't think the public is stupid or dumb. They remember his
voice, miss his voice and know it is a gift. The music, the tapes, the DVDs and the CDs all
resonate with Steve Perry. We don't have much in that way with the last lead singer for Journey. Those memories with SA might be something entirely different.



I hope you're right Marabelle. Maybe if Steve does some press for the remastered cds he can clarify and reinforce his distance from this in some way.
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Postby PROPERRY » Wed Jun 28, 2006 3:13 am

ohsherrie wrote:
Marabelle wrote:good post OhSherri. But I'm thinking that Steve P is doing something to make sure that most people understand that there was a Journey with Steve Perry with wonderful classic tunes and then there was a band called Journey with another singer. Even if he doesn't consciously realize it; he is insuring that most fans recognize his music with the band and that there is no correlation between his singing with Journey and the other singer singing with Journey. I don't think most people would even imagine that Steve Perry needed anything to enhance his vocals to make them sound differently or better. He just sang. Unfortunately this might not be the case with the other singer. I don't think the public is stupid or dumb. They remember his
voice, miss his voice and know it is a gift. The music, the tapes, the DVDs and the CDs all
resonate with Steve Perry. We don't have much in that way with the last lead singer for Journey. Those memories with SA might be something entirely different.



I hope you're right Marabelle. Maybe if Steve does some press for the remastered cds he can clarify and reinforce his distance from this in some way.




Yea, I DON'T want Perry to get hurt by all this stuff that is happening with the current line up either. Perry does NOT DESERVE to have HIS time period with Journey to be damaged in any way. He co-wrote, sang ,& made all those songs famous first, and when he sings for the audience he gives the fans "his best" performance! I highly respect that about Perry! :D

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Postby whocares » Wed Jun 28, 2006 5:54 am

A Fire Inside wrote:
Perry_Rainbows wrote:I think it makes it him more human.
I dont know about u, but I can sense his fiery indignation right thru my screen.

I'm starting to think this is Perry in disguise. :lol:


What a huge slap in the face of Perry AND the Fans.
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Postby A Fire Inside » Wed Jun 28, 2006 5:57 am

whocares wrote:
A Fire Inside wrote:
Perry_Rainbows wrote:I think it makes it him more human.
I dont know about u, but I can sense his fiery indignation right thru my screen.

I'm starting to think this is Perry in disguise. :lol:


What a huge slap in the face of Perry AND the Fans.

I made this comment way before all the AIDS and gay hate.
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Postby whocares » Wed Jun 28, 2006 5:58 am

I'm not talking about that stuff. I'm talking about saying this may be Perry himself.
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Postby A Fire Inside » Wed Jun 28, 2006 6:00 am

whocares wrote:I'm not talking about that stuff. I'm talking about saying this may be Perry himself.

Sense of humor, buddy. May want to find yours.

Like I said, I made that comment before Rainbows started getting scary. I take it back.
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Postby r@y » Wed Jun 28, 2006 11:42 am

Red13JoePa wrote:
: He pisses me off sometimes, but I'd be pissed if he changed that avatar.


Hey red13, I have nothing against you, but I am wondering what have I done to piss you off..?? I dont think I have, but I apologise if any of our prior disagreements ( we probably had very few ) offended u in anyway.... 8)

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Postby Marabelle » Wed Jun 28, 2006 12:00 pm

you are way kewl rubicon...just a nice thing to do..guess we really aren't the dark side after all
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