"Play everything with conviction AND INTEGRITY"

[whocares]

Perry himself stated that he wasn't the most pleasant guy to be around all the time. He specifically mentioned something to the effect, Yes I'm Steve Perry, and I should not expect total privacy, but don't come sticking a piece of paper in my face for an autograph, while I'm eating my pasta. That's a paraphrase of course, not exact quote.

As far as finding the interviews that Cain and Schon said anything bad about Perry, I'm not gonna go searching for them, but they are out there, that's what they have search engines for.

[jrnyman28]

Sorry, MOL was never a "hit" on the radio. And WYLAW really did not last long. Can you name the third single?

My guess is that the third single was "If He Should Break Your Heart". They were still playing that on the '99 tour, if I remember correctly.

Yeah, I think you are right. I remember the artwork and the Sony page for it vaguely.

[KittyKat]

You are assuming again, like Neal and Jon are. TRUE fans go to see the NEW music as well, maybe even as much as the old hits. It's not about playing the new music, it's about reliving the "glory days", to steal a song title form Bruce. I don't want to hear the stuff I already have heard literally thousands of times on the Radio, or in my cd player. I want new music, or something I haven't heard much if at all, that's why I bought a ticket in the first place.

I am not assuming anything. I have seen it for myself. It is happening everywhere. The "die-hards" want to hear the new music. But the everyday, casual fans only want what they know. Look back at the posts from LadySlang (or was it kittykat) when discussing the show. She was surprised that Open Arms was not played and she expected Joureny to play all their hits only. Yet she wants Def Leppard to dig deep.

That might have been me because I did want to know why they weren't doing Open Arms but I also like After the Fall as a favorite but that was more to do with the lip syncing aspect and reading reviews from others that know that song and asked the same thing. As for DL I don't want them to dig deep they're playing some of the same songs off the cover album on this tour that they did last tour and I was just agreeing to some of the others that they are doing that I could live without that others were commenting on, no big deal really. They have a lot of songs I don't like but I know many others do and that's why they do them, it's a personal opinion. I saw DL last summer I didn't see Journey but was going to this year.

The glaring thing to me about this article is that it's dated 6/29 as a phone interview so I -mailed the editor to enquire about the date of when that interview was done since Journey hasn't been doing any media interviews that we're aware of and Jon Cain talks about respect to the fans and giving back, integrity and legacy of the music, etc. you get the idea but no statement to the fans or media about the lip syncing issue.

[Eric]

Perry himself stated that he wasn't the most pleasant guy to be around all the time. He specifically mentioned something to the effect, Yes I'm Steve Perry, and I should not expect total privacy, but don't come sticking a piece of paper in my face for an autograph, while I'm eating my pasta. That's a paraphrase of course, not exact quote.

As far as finding the interviews that Cain and Schon said anything bad about Perry, I'm not gonna go searching for them, but they are out there, that's what they have search engines for.

I don't need to do the searching...I didn't make the allegation. I always hear the bad mouthing statement and I NEVER see an example.

[Jeremey]

I don't need to do the searching...I didn't make the allegation. I always hear the bad mouthing statement and I NEVER see an example.

I've read most interviews over the past 8 years, and I can't remember a single time where Neal or Jonathan was actually saying specific things badmouthing Steve Perry. What they have done is make aside comments and innuendo that have kind of slagged on Perry, and rightfully so. Comments such as how good it is to finally be in the studio and not look over and see some guy frowning and bitching all the time, or about how there's no "light at the end of the tunnel for that guy," etc. There's a lot of water under the bridge for those guys, and we, the fans, were never meant to know or understand what may have gone on between all of them. I've always thought that the issues were typical band issues, except for when things got really rough, probably around the time of Frontiers/Street Talk, etc (example is Herbie's description of Lee Phillips & Perry being on one end of the table and the rest of the band's lawyers and accountants at the other) - But as a band, I've always thought the public made more of their disdain for each other. The current situation where no one is talking to each other probably has more to do with Perry's resentment of the band carrying on without him.

[Journeynut]

I've always thought that the issues were typical band issues, except for when things got really rough, probably around the time of Frontiers/Street Talk, etc (example is Herbie's description of Lee Phillips & Perry being on one end of the table and the rest of the band's lawyers and accountants at the other) - But as a band, I've always thought the public made more of their disdain for each other. The current situation where no one is talking to each other probably has more to do with Perry's resentment of the band carrying on without him[quote

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I was drawn into this drama in 2001 when the BTM was aired. While I know that it was a program edited to give a certain perspective, you certainly could see the animosity between the members as they talked for the interview.
The band members knew Perry was essential to the band and hated him for it. The analogy that i have read which is in the time 3 booklet is Jon Cains quote how there is a magnificent harley parked in the garage and there is one man holding the keys..

So they decide to go on without him.
And they did, and here they are today. Better? No I don't think so. More successful? No but they then decide to redefine success. It is no longer playing to huge arenas and having platinum albums.

How will Journey be remembered? As a has been band that is a joke? I think that is what Perry resented more than them replacing him. He cared about Journey and its legacy. Quitting while your on top is classy leaves and a sweeter legacy

[TRAGChick]

I've always thought that the issues were typical band issues, except for when things got really rough, probably around the time of Frontiers/Street Talk, etc (example is Herbie's description of Lee Phillips & Perry being on one end of the table and the rest of the band's lawyers and accountants at the other) - But as a band, I've always thought the public made more of their disdain for each other. The current situation where no one is talking to each other probably has more to do with Perry's resentment of the band carrying on without him[quote

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I was drawn into this drama in 2001 when the BTM was aired. While I know that it was a program edited to give a certain perspective, you certainly could see the animosity between the members as they talked for the interview.
The band members knew Perry was essential to the band and hated him for it. The analogy that i have read which is in the time 3 booklet is Jon Cains quote how there is a magnificent harley parked in the garage and there is one man holding the keys..

So they decide to go on without him.
And they did, and here they are today. Better? No I don't think so. More successful? No but they then decide to redefine success. It is no longer playing to huge arenas and having platinum albums.

How will Journey be remembered? As a has been band that is a joke? I think that is what Perry resented more than them replacing him. He cared about Journey and its legacy. Quitting while your on top is classy leaves and a sweeter legacy

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Hey journeynut! Good to "see" you here again!

(my former name was "sngrchk")

[perryfaithful]

How will Journey be remembered? As a has been band that is a joke? I think that is what Perry resented more than them replacing him. He cared about Journey and its legacy. Quitting while your on top is classy leaves and a sweeter legacy

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Thanks for emphasizing that quote Journeynut! Quitting while you are on top IS classier and DOES leave the sweeter legacy in my book also. Have felt that way about Journey for years now, so the recent controversy just brings it home for me! Very sad

[jrnyman28]

I don't need to do the searching...I didn't make the allegation. I always hear the bad mouthing statement and I NEVER see an example.

I've read most interviews over the past 8 years, and I can't remember a single time where Neal or Jonathan was actually saying specific things badmouthing Steve Perry. What they have done is make aside comments and innuendo that have kind of slagged on Perry, and rightfully so. Comments such as how good it is to finally be in the studio and not look over and see some guy frowning and bitching all the time, or about how there's no "light at the end of the tunnel for that guy," etc. There's a lot of water under the bridge for those guys, and we, the fans, were never meant to know or understand what may have gone on between all of them. I've always thought that the issues were typical band issues, except for when things got really rough, probably around the time of Frontiers/Street Talk, etc (example is Herbie's description of Lee Phillips & Perry being on one end of the table and the rest of the band's lawyers and accountants at the other) - But as a band, I've always thought the public made more of their disdain for each other. The current situation where no one is talking to each other probably has more to do with Perry's resentment of the band carrying on without him.

The last time I remember any SPECIFIC 'bad mouthing" of Perr was before the Vacations Over Tour at Red Rocks. Neal was doing a radio interview and he was saying that 'if Lou could perform this well after brain surgey Perry sure as hell could have toured after his injury/ailment'. Neal is known as a straight-shooter, he doesn;t sugercoat things and I remember that it sounded a little harsh. (Even though I agreed at the time. I was upset that Perry did not continue with Journey and I only knew a little of the story at the time.)

[ohsherrie]

How will Journey be remembered? As a has been band that is a joke? I think that is what Perry resented more than them replacing him. He cared about Journey and its legacy. Quitting while your on top is classy leaves and a sweeter legacy

Hi Journeynut, it's so good to hear from you and I think you're exactly right in what you said. Journey had no where to go but down at that point and Steve knew it. Maybe the fans that still like them are happy with what the band has done since, but I really don't think the band is that happy with it. They really thought they could ride the wave of the reunion and TBF and stay significant in the industry without Perry, and that just didn't happen. So, like you said they've redefined what they are willing to accept as success.

[SF-Dano]

So are you suggesting that Journey would be on the rise as opposed to on their way down if Perry was still in the band? Even with the way the music biz is today? Even with the type of music that is popular today?

If Perry was willing to do full summer tours the way Journey is now, yes, I think Journey would be doing a little better than they are now, but not "be on the rise". They would never be chart toppers again. They were never media darlings, they might get as popular as say Def Lep is now. And in the US, I don't think that they are that much less popular than Def Lep, if at all. These 80s bands don't have the massive youth movement behind them, and lets face it, you need that massive youth response to be big and stay big in music today. IMO that is the way it has always been too.

[PROPERRY]

I don't need to do the searching...I didn't make the allegation. I always hear the bad mouthing statement and I NEVER see an example.

I've read most interviews over the past 8 years, and I can't remember a single time where Neal or Jonathan was actually saying specific things badmouthing Steve Perry. What they have done is make aside comments and innuendo that have kind of slagged on Perry, and rightfully so. Comments such as how good it is to finally be in the studio and not look over and see some guy frowning and bitching all the time, or about how there's no "light at the end of the tunnel for that guy," etc. There's a lot of water under the bridge for those guys, and we, the fans, were never meant to know or understand what may have gone on between all of them. I've always thought that the issues were typical band issues, except for when things got really rough, probably around the time of Frontiers/Street Talk, etc (example is Herbie's description of Lee Phillips & Perry being on one end of the table and the rest of the band's lawyers and accountants at the other) - But as a band, I've always thought the public made more of their disdain for each other. The current situation where no one is talking to each other probably has more to do with Perry's resentment of the band carrying on without him.

The last time I remember any SPECIFIC 'bad mouthing" of Perr was before the Vacations Over Tour at Red Rocks. Neal was doing a radio interview and he was saying that 'if Lou could perform this well after brain surgey Perry sure as hell could have toured after his injury/ailment'. Neal is known as a straight-shooter, he doesn;t sugercoat things and I remember that it sounded a little harsh. (Even though I agreed at the time. I was upset that Perry did not continue with Journey and I only knew a little of the story at the time.)

"Neal is known as a straight-shooter"


Hmmmm for someone who is SUPPOSEDLY KNOWN for being such a "straight-shooter', The silence we are hearing from him about this "lip synching issue" tells me he isn't such a straight-shooter!

Apparrently it doesn't matter to Neal what kind of serious health problem, a band member is having, a singing problem, a hip medical problem... just get the job done. It doesn't whether the singer is in pain OR if the singer is having GREAT difficulty singing.... just get that job done ANYWAY you can... doesn't matter HOW you perform for the fans, even if you have to fake it.

Neal is a straight -shooter?????

Lori

[JrnySuxBalls]

Didn't Perry put off his surgery, effectively leaving the band in limbo for two years?

As I recall, Smitty finally got sick of waiting and returned to jazz.

[SF-Dano]

Neal Schon from BTM (paraphrasing) on working with a singer, " There are things I like about it, and Things I Still Don't Like About It." Could it be he was partially talking about having to deal with and wait out vox issues/problems.

Neal is a work-a-holic. Sometimes people can't wait that long. Especially if there is no time table given for a return or if there is even going to be a return. We all know the band has been down that road at least two times already.

[jrnyman28]

Hmmmm for someone who is SUPPOSEDLY KNOWN for being such a "straight-shooter', The silence we are hearing from him about this "lip synching issue" tells me he isn't such a straight-shooter!

Actually, I think it does say a lot. It says that someone has been telling the band to stay quiet. This is a PR nightmare and has to be handled properly. I don't think they are yet....I think they are taking way too much time to figure what "properly" is to them. But at least someone is thinking and telling Neal to keep it shut. His mouth has cost them some problems in the past...and Journey cannot afford that now.

Apparrently it doesn't matter to Neal what kind of serious health problem, a band member is having, a singing problem, a hip medical problem... just get the job done. It doesn't whether the singer is in pain OR if the singer is having GREAT difficulty singing.... just get that job done ANYWAY you can... doesn't matter HOW you perform for the fans, even if you have to fake it.

Well, he supposedly had a replacement signed if Steve could not continue. So maybe this goes further than Neal. Maybe this has to do with Azoff?

Neal is a straight -shooter?????

Lori

Yes, and you know it. Because you have had problems with his mouth in the past. But you can keep trying to ridicule, it's fine.

[jrnyman28]

Didn't Perry put off his surgery, effectively leaving the band in limbo for two years?

As I recall, Smitty finally got sick of waiting and returned to jazz.

Yep!

[PROPERRY]

Didn't Perry put off his surgery, effectively leaving the band in limbo for two years?

As I recall, Smitty finally got sick of waiting and returned to jazz.

Steve Smith COULD have gone on with Journey, if he had REALLY wanted to, he evidently didn't want to do it without Perry. He made a different choice. Perry did what he HAD to do for his own health & well being, anyone that "can't get that" has never had anything seriously medically happen to them ( Fortunate for them).

Lori

[jrnyman28]

Neal Schon from BTM (paraphrasing) on working with a singer, " There are things I like about it, and Things I Still Don't Like About It." Could it be he was partially talking about having to deal with and wait out vox issues/problems.

Neal is a work-a-holic. Sometimes people can't wait that long. Especially if there is no time table given for a return or if there is even going to be a return. We all know the band has been down that road at least two times already.

I have a feeling there were probably contractual obligations that made it difficult for the band to "do the right thing" and cancel/postpone shows, wait for/replace members, etc. And I still have to wonder if there is truth to the "rumor" that Deen has said 'if Steve goes, I go.' I was very surprised when I heard that because Deen practically owes his career to Neal (from Late Nite on) and he has said repeatedly how much of a dream come true it is to be in and playing Journey.

[JrnySuxBalls]

Whatever the reason, I'm glad Steve Smith moved on. Jazz is where his heart is, and last couple
of Vital Information CDs have been incredible. The man is wealthy, could retire if he wanted to,
yet pushes the boundries of his instrument. Bravo.

[jrnyman28]

Steve Smith COULD have gone on with Journey, if he had REALLY wanted to, he evidently didn't want to do it without Perry.

Smitty signed for a reunion deal: one record, one tour. When Perry was sidelined Smitty decided to go back to what he loved.

Perry did what he HAD to do for his own health & well being, anyone that "can't get that" has never had anything seriously medically happen to them ( Fortunate for them).

Lori

But Perry did not communicate to the rest of the band. AND he was asked to commit to the band which he declined. They said they would wait if he would just say 'yes, I am commited to Journey'. He said no. I know the decision he had to make was a very difficult one. I agree that he does not have to consider anyone else's feelings when making it. But I don't agree that he should have held them in limbo not telling them anything...

[Rockindeano]

Well, he supposedly had a replacement signed if Steve could not continue. So maybe this goes further than Neal. Maybe this has to do with Azoff?

BINGO!

Azoff is the one who wouldn't change out Augeri. Azoff believes that changing out Augeri would be too much for the fans.

By the way, Neal is not the one pulling the strings, nor is he the one who thinks for the band.

[JrnySuxBalls]

But I don't agree that he should have held them in limbo not telling them anything...

Especially when Perry's $ million dollar advance stipulated a tour was to support the album.

Which he accepted.

[jrnyman28]

Well, he supposedly had a replacement signed if Steve could not continue. So maybe this goes further than Neal. Maybe this has to do with Azoff?

BINGO!

Azoff is the one who wouldn't change out Augeri. Azoff believes that changing out Augeri would be too much for the fans.

I agree that it will be very difficult for the real Journey fans to digest. But like SF-DANO said, I would give it a listen. But I would still want to see a different setlist before bothering with a show...

By the way, Neal is not the one pulling the strings, nor is he the one who thinks for the band.

It is very apparant that Neal does not think for Journey.....

[JrnySuxBalls]

Well, he supposedly had a replacement signed if Steve could not continue. So maybe this goes further than Neal. Maybe this has to do with Azoff?

BINGO!

Azoff is the one who wouldn't change out Augeri. Azoff believes that changing out Augeri would be too much for the fans.

And this ongoing controversy about the Augeri tapes is the way to go? Azoff has lost his marbles.

[JrnySuxBalls]

By the way, Neal is not the one pulling the strings

THAT was obvious after the Azoff inspired Soul Sirkus implosion.

[Journeynut]

Hi Journeynut, it's so good to hear from you and I think you're exactly right in what you said.

Hey journeynut! Good to "see" you here again!

Hello all thanks for remembering me! Nice to see you guys too.

[Journeynut]

So are you suggesting that Journey would be on the rise as opposed to on their way down if Perry was still in the band? Even with the way the music biz is today? Even with the type of music that is popular today?

If Perry was willing to do full summer tours the way Journey is now, yes, I think Journey would be doing a little better than they are now, but not "be on the rise". They would never be chart toppers again. They were never media darlings, they might get as popular as say Def Lep is now. And in the US, I don't think that they are that much less popular than Def Lep, if at all. These 80s bands don't have the massive youth movement behind them, and lets face it, you need that massive youth response to be big and stay big in music today. IMO that is the way it has always been too.

I agree that Journey would probably never be what they were even with SP at the helm today because their music is for old fuddyduds like me...on the other hand...even my kids react when they hear classic journey music, or see the videos. There was magic. I would like to think it would mean more concert success, better venues, more seats, if SP were the lead guy.

[Rockindeano]

And this ongoing controversy about the Augeri tapes is the way to go? Azoff has lost his marbles.

To be fair to Azoff, he didn't know that I had all the proof. If he knew, he might have done things differently.

[Journeynut]

Didn't Perry put off his surgery, effectively leaving the band in limbo for two years?

As I recall, Smitty finally got sick of waiting and returned to jazz.

If it were me having hip surgery in the nineties I would put it off too, because at that time hip and knee replacement joints had a life span of 5 to ten years. So, orthopedic surgeons would try to buy more time with therapies etc, instead of having their patient risk replacement so soon. In the old days (the eighties) they did not do any joint replacement on anyone younger than fifty because of the need to replace the joint again(because of lifespan, use and wear would cause a need for another replacement) and the obvious risk of complilcations, the chief one being permanent damage and being crippled.

Now I am sure things were different for SP, someone with all the money in the world to buy the best medical care. I only know what you and i would have faced if we were in the same postition or even in that postition today. I could see why someone would try to avoid it.

[Journeynut]

But I don't agree that he should have held them in limbo not telling them anything...

Especially when Perry's $ million dollar advance stipulated a tour was to support the album.

Which he accepted.

I always wondered how SP got out of those contracts with the TBF tours etc.
They just let him out? He had valid legal grounds to break the contract?
I have a hard time believing they just let it go.