HERE ARE THE FACTS

[ohsherrie]

Where did the stry break anywhere I can read ?
Do you think Deano has it out for the band for some reason?

I know the no response is tough to deal with and to be honset that is the reason I keep following this

Well, by break I mean it was discussed on message boards a couple times. I don't mean it was in the news. I think the Faithfully evidence and the Svante post are what really excelled this. Once it's out there, it's out there.

People have also heard it mentioned on the radio. I would think that would qualify as having something break in the music world. It may not be CNN, but radio is a bigger part of music than CNN.

With all due respect to Angie, who actually listens to radio these days?

Well, if people don't listen to radio why do bands send promos to radio, and why do they do interviews on radio? Not everyone who attends concerts and buys cds gets their info from the internet.

[Argus]

Where did the stry break anywhere I can read ?
Do you think Deano has it out for the band for some reason?

I know the no response is tough to deal with and to be honset that is the reason I keep following this

Well, by break I mean it was discussed on message boards a couple times. I don't mean it was in the news. I think the Faithfully evidence and the Svante post are what really excelled this. Once it's out there, it's out there.

People have also heard it mentioned on the radio. I would think that would qualify as having something break in the music world. It may not be CNN, but radio is a bigger part of music than CNN.

With all due respect to Angie, who actually listens to radio these days?

Well, if people don't listen to radio why do bands send promos to radio, and why do they do interviews on radio? Not everyone who attends concerts and buys cds gets their info from the internet.

Do you listen to the radio?

[conversationpc]

From about the 5th show of the 30th anniversary up until the last show in Europe a few weeks back. I cannot say for certain regarding the US shows, so I won't.

I was at the 6th show of that tour and I don't think there's any way Augeri was lip-synching that one. He sounded horrible in the first set and seemed to get a little better by the end, but he still didn't sound fantastic.

[junky]

I can't say they are lipping now. I haven't heard anything from Camden to present.

But Deano, How do you expect the band to take you seriously enough to respond when you contradict yourself regarding the proof you have?

You just said you have not heard anything from Camden to present, but you said the following in the Camden thread titled "Is Anyone At Tonight's Show" a week ago:

Were you there? I knew they would go more live, but I know not totally live. See, this is all I wanted. So I have already made a difference. I am proud of that. However, we all with brains know if Augeri was live, there are some stinky moments in there. Not a flame, but rather a pure fact. he can no longer sing.

I have already heard 5 songs and they are all lippers, if you will. Waiting for more.

See, If he sings live, it will not sound good...Not a harsh statement, just unfortunate truth. If Augeri ever sounds good, you know it's Lipped.

[L~L~L]

This has been going on since last year with approx 50 shows and nobody has gotten wind of this or suspected it before ?????

http://www.journeymusic.com/ontheroad/r ... ?venue=119

"My wife and I flew down from Portland for the show since I knew it would probably be a once in a lifetime type of show, and I definitely echo all the positive reviews that have been posted so far. I've been to Journey shows since the late 70's, and the highlights for me were definitely getting to see the older material played again. But I do have a question I'm curious if anyone knows the answer to, and that is why were the cd vocal tracks for "We Will Meet Again" being played over the live vocals? I'm sure other people must have noticed this. Steve was either lip-synching or was singing along to the cd vocal tracks. But additionally, the background vocal tracks were being played as well. Was it because of all the sound problems they were having on stage? It was clear throughout the show that they were having troubles with their monitors, and possibly even Steve's microphone. But to the band's credit, despite their monitor problems, the sound out in the crowd was excellent. My wife seemed to think there may have been lip-synching on more than this one song, but I only caught it for sure on "We Will Meet Again." Anyone have any other details on this?
- Steve
Portland, OR
(6:49:32 pm PDT - April 29, 2003) "

[KittyKat]

Thank You LovelyLourde, I was thinking of that one too but there were many more posted that always got deleted anyway and at the start of this tour they were screening the reviews before letting them get posted that many of us caught and claimed it was a server problem. They are also now conviently upgrading. Rockline cancelled, no statement from the band as promised to several of us from a moderator at BT weeks ago.

As for Media many on the radio and internet have brought up this issue including a front page commentary from Andrew asking Journey for a comment, several music journalists and radio dj's as well. Instead of doing a rehash again go back on these threads it's all there and a good bit on Deno's blog. Svante Petterrsson has also posted here who we contacted and he posts under the name Swepett and there are links here with his credentials as well.

[Rockindeano]

But Deano, How do you expect the band to take you seriously enough to respond when you contradict yourself regarding the proof you have?

You just said you have not heard anything from Camden to present, but you said the following in the Camden thread titled "Is Anyone At Tonight's Show" a week ago:

I know at least 6 songs were. My original claim was the entire show.

I don't give a Bakers fuck whether the band takes me seriously or not. Their troubles are their problems, not mine. I love how I sent you 3 boots and I ask you for one and you say no. I see. So, if you are a defender, why not send me the boot, as a matter of disclosure?

See, If he sings live, it will not sound good...Not a harsh statement, just unfortunate truth. If Augeri ever sounds good, you know it's Lipped.

And I stand by it.

[Citygirl]

I wish someone would just do what I mentioned in my other post - grab his arse while he's singing.

If the singing continues perfectly then it's true, if it doesn't he's not.

Simple as that.

[junky]

But Deano, How do you expect the band to take you seriously enough to respond when you contradict yourself regarding the proof you have?

You just said you have not heard anything from Camden to present, but you said the following in the Camden thread titled "Is Anyone At Tonight's Show" a week ago:

I know at least 6 songs were. My original claim was the entire show.

I don't give a Bakers fuck whether the band takes me seriously or not. Their troubles are their problems, not mine. I love how I sent you 3 boots and I ask you for one and you say no. I see. So, if you are a defender, why not send me the boot, as a matter of disclosure?

See, If he sings live, it will not sound good...Not a harsh statement, just unfortunate truth. If Augeri ever sounds good, you know it's Lipped.

And I stand by it.

Look at the quote. You said you already heard 5 songs, all lipped from Camden.
And today you said you haven't heard anything from Camden to present.

And, I never said no. I said I would sleep on it, in the meantime send me your email address.
And you replied, Nevermind, I don't need it anyway. And didn't give me your email address.
I can understand you getting confused with PMs, you probably have a lot.

I don't want to fight with you. I was just pointing out that if you want a response from the band, keep your facts straight, if you don't, then, what's the point to all this?

Your right, Steve only sounded OK at the show I went to and it was live.

[Rockindeano]

Your right, Steve only sounded OK at the show I went to and it was live.

Care to prove it? Post the links. Send me the songs via aol IM or yahoo messenger.

My point was that I haven't heard full boots from any shows on US soil. I cannot comment 100% on something I don't know of.


So, maybe you should should shut us all up and post the songs. All of them Steve sang. I hope they were live, that way, we can all stop.

I am derbydeano on aol and Yahoo.

[junky]

Sorry, I don't have yahoo or AOL. No need for it.

And I told you via PM what I have. Not enough to shut anyone up.

[Citygirl]

Post them anyway.

[Rockindeano]

Your right, Steve only sounded OK at the show I went to and it was live.

Care to prove it? Post the links. Send me the songs via aol IM or yahoo messenger.

My point was that I haven't heard full boots from any shows on US soil. I cannot comment 100% on something I don't know of.


So, maybe you should post them to shut us all up.. All of them Steve sang. I hope they were live, that way, we can all stop.

I am derbydeano on aol and Yahoo.

[Citygirl]

If you post them I'll have a listen and see if they sound the same as Edinburgh.

[Rockindeano]

If you post them I'll have a listen and see if they sound the same as Edinburgh.

Why don't you send me Edinburgh, and I can tell you withing 5 minutes if the entire show was lipped.

[Citygirl]

I don't have it recorded. I can just remember how some tracks sounded.

[NealIsGod]

Why don't you send me Edinburgh, and I can tell you withing 5 minutes if the entire show was lipped.

Glad to hear you analyze your "evidence" so in-depth.

[Rockindeano]

Why don't you send me Edinburgh, and I can tell you withing 5 minutes if the entire show was lipped.

Glad to hear you analyze your "evidence" so in-depth.

Nice contribution little man.

Go back and suck 13 off in Classicrock.

And to think I was going to post a lnik of City of the Angels for you.

Stupid bastard.

[jrnyman28]

They had to be doing some lipping because even Vegas 2001 was released it wasn't a live recording, so something was already fucked up as far back as 2001.

I gotta ask where this comes from? I know they over-dubber and polished the 2001 DVD, but what makes you think the entire thing was re-recorded?

[Rockindeano]

They had to be doing some lipping because even Vegas 2001 was released it wasn't a live recording, so something was already fucked up as far back as 2001.

I gotta ask where this comes from? I know they over-dubber and polished the 2001 DVD, but what makes you think the entire thing was re-recorded?

The ENTIRE DVD was redone. None of it is "live."

Don't worry about who told me. After all, everything I have said so far is total BS too.

[NealIsGod]

Like I said before, people who resort to homophobic insults are just repressing their own urges, Dina.

And to think of all the times I defended you, even a couple times recently, on this board. No more. Ever think all the shit that happens to you (supposedly) is due to the fucking negative way you treat people? How does Lula stand being with a prick like you?

[Rockindeano]

Like I said before, people who resort to homophobic insults are just repressing their own urges, Dina.

And to think of all the times I defended you, even a couple times recently, on this board. No more. Ever think all the shit that happens to you (supposedly) is due to the fucking negative way you treat people? How does Lula stand being with a prick like you?

How do you tolerate lies and deception with that wet noodle backbone of yours? I'll take my way, the honest way, over your rosy covered glasses any day.

YOU are the prick.

[NealIsGod]

Like I said before, people who resort to homophobic insults are just repressing their own urges, Dina.

And to think of all the times I defended you, even a couple times recently, on this board. No more. Ever think all the shit that happens to you (supposedly) is due to the fucking negative way you treat people? How does Lula stand being with a prick like you?

How do you tolerate lies and deception with that wet noodle backbone of yours? I'll take my way, the honest way, over your rosy covered glasses any day.

YOU are the prick.

Lies and deception? I am sure most of your tall tales you fed us over the past year and a half are prime examples of that.

I would put my character up against yours any day of the week, PRICK.

[jrnysc]

Two good things here. If you watch the Faith In The Heartland video in another post on here, it is OBVIOUSLY not lipped. It is apparent Steve is skipping some of the higher notes (Which he should), and Journey is not avoiding the media which I thought they were. Jon did a radio interview within the last few days. Nothing was mentioned by the interviewer. Why? People on here are concerned about this crap? The media as a whole are not.

[JrnySuxBalls]

Two good things here. If you watch the Faith In The Heartland video in another post on here, it is OBVIOUSLY not lipped.

Which video? What high notes are ducked? Intro, verse, chorus or outro?

I'm curious

[JrnySuxBalls]

They had to be doing some lipping because even Vegas 2001 was released it wasn't a live recording, so something was already fucked up as far back as 2001.

I gotta ask where this comes from? I know they over-dubber and polished the 2001 DVD, but what makes you think the entire thing was re-recorded?

The ENTIRE DVD was redone. None of it is "live."

I was there at that show, and somehow this doesn't surprise me. There were some definite "deer
in the headlights" looks onstage at each other. it wasn't a perfect gig I'll put it that way.

[whocares]

Two good things here. If you watch the Faith In The Heartland video in another post on here, it is OBVIOUSLY not lipped. It is apparent Steve is skipping some of the higher notes (Which he should), and Journey is not avoiding the media which I thought they were. Jon did a radio interview within the last few days. Nothing was mentioned by the interviewer. Why? People on here are concerned about this crap? The media as a whole are not.

Not to get in an arguement, just to bring up a useless point or two-
There could be any number of reasons why it wasn't brought up. Maybe there was a condition that it not be brought up, and the DJ doesn't have balls to go against them. Maybe the radio station doing the interview was sponsering the show, and didn't want any hassles. OR, maybe the DJ didn't know anything about the controversy, though if people aren't doing homework STILL like they didn't about Perry not being in the band, then who knows why it wasn't brought up. I agree that the media as a whole could give a crap less, but if your station plays Journey, then you should know about it, ya know?

[wildone]

Two good things here. If you watch the Faith In The Heartland video in another post on here, it is OBVIOUSLY not lipped. It is apparent Steve is skipping some of the higher notes (Which he should), and Journey is not avoiding the media which I thought they were. Jon did a radio interview within the last few days. Nothing was mentioned by the interviewer. Why? People on here are concerned about this crap? The media as a whole are not.

Not to get in an arguement, just to bring up a useless point or two-
There could be any number of reasons why it wasn't brought up. Maybe there was a condition that it not be brought up, and the DJ doesn't have balls to go against them. Maybe the radio station doing the interview was sponsering the show, and didn't want any hassles. OR, maybe the DJ didn't know anything about the controversy, though if people aren't doing homework STILL like they didn't about Perry not being in the band, then who knows why it wasn't brought up. I agree that the media as a whole could give a crap less, but if your station plays Journey, then you should know about it, ya know?

and the media isn't flipping out the real big bucks to see a show either ..the fans are so we are asking ...where's are answer?

[Rockindeano]

Like I said before, people who resort to homophobic insults are just repressing their own urges, Dina.

And to think of all the times I defended you, even a couple times recently, on this board. No more. Ever think all the shit that happens to you (supposedly) is due to the fucking negative way you treat people? How does Lula stand being with a prick like you?

How do you tolerate lies and deception with that wet noodle backbone of yours? I'll take my way, the honest way, over your rosy covered glasses any day.

YOU are the prick.

Lies and deception? I am sure most of your tall tales you fed us over the past year and a half are prime examples of that.

I would put my character up against yours any day of the week, PRICK.

Look at your avatar. That guy shit all over us paying fans last year, and you boldly stand up for him.

You are a spineless twat.

[perryfaithful]

Do you plan on attending any of the U.S. shows, Dean?

Are you high? Pay to see this shit? To see a mime?

To see Jon cain play with integrity?

What a sick joke of a question that is.

I thought you were going to a show or more for reason of research??