They say, "Timing is everything in life..."

[wildone]

perrys not coming back i know,, and hes been heard before to say hes is back ,, and nothing ,, but heck ,

its a bit embarrassing being a journey fan right now,, it would be cool if something happened

and they really hit it big again,,, great album ,, big production,, show everyone how the big boys used

to do it !!!

well if thats the case they better get steve p back so all 3 of the boys can get back to there magic of writing like days gone by...Because right now ...it's not happening...let the egos deflate and let them have a reality check and they might ...just might... get back the magic that was once Journey...

[Monker]

well if thats the case they better get steve p back so all 3 of the boys can get back to there magic of writing like days gone by...

Oh, please, Perry hasn't written like the "days gone by" since, well, 1984.

Because right now ...it's not happening...let the egos deflate and let them have a reality check and they might ...just might... get back the magic that was once Journey...

The 'magic' you are talking about hasn't been in the band since 1983. Get over it...the past is just that - in the past.

[wildone]

well if thats the case they better get steve p back so all 3 of the boys can get back to there magic of writing like days gone by...

Oh, please, Perry hasn't written like the "days gone by" since, well, 1984.

Because right now ...it's not happening...let the egos deflate and let them have a reality check and they might ...just might... get back the magic that was once Journey...

The 'magic' you are talking about hasn't been in the band since 1983. Get over it...the past is just that - in the past.

damn hmmm santana has pulled it off...Don't see why the boys can't

[Monker]

well if thats the case they better get steve p back so all 3 of the boys can get back to there magic of writing like days gone by...

Oh, please, Perry hasn't written like the "days gone by" since, well, 1984.

Because right now ...it's not happening...let the egos deflate and let them have a reality check and they might ...just might... get back the magic that was once Journey...

The 'magic' you are talking about hasn't been in the band since 1983. Get over it...the past is just that - in the past.

damn hmmm santana has pulled it off...Don't see why the boys can't

Oh, really? Santana reunited with his original band, recorded a new album, and toured?

[RossValoryRocks]

well if thats the case they better get steve p back so all 3 of the boys can get back to there magic of writing like days gone by...

Oh, please, Perry hasn't written like the "days gone by" since, well, 1984.

Because right now ...it's not happening...let the egos deflate and let them have a reality check and they might ...just might... get back the magic that was once Journey...

The 'magic' you are talking about hasn't been in the band since 1983. Get over it...the past is just that - in the past.

damn hmmm santana has pulled it off...Don't see why the boys can't

Oh, really? Santana reunited with his original band, recorded a new album, and toured?

I bet Greg Rollie and Neal are pissed they didn't get invite to come back!

[wildone]

well if thats the case they better get steve p back so all 3 of the boys can get back to there magic of writing like days gone by...

Oh, please, Perry hasn't written like the "days gone by" since, well, 1984.

Because right now ...it's not happening...let the egos deflate and let them have a reality check and they might ...just might... get back the magic that was once Journey...

The 'magic' you are talking about hasn't been in the band since 1983. Get over it...the past is just that - in the past.

damn hmmm santana has pulled it off...Don't see why the boys can't

Oh, really? Santana reunited with his original band, recorded a new album, and toured?

no he reinvented his self and made some hits...my point was if he can do it so can the boys...and if it was the original band then wouldn't we be missing a few peeps ...greg rollie ..etc etc

[Monker]

no he reinvented his self and made some hits...my point was if he can do it so can the boys...and if it was the original band then wouldn't we be missing a few peeps ...greg rollie ..etc etc

Oh, I see. So, it was NOT about bringing back together an old sorta 'magic' with four other people. It was all about REPLACING people and starting over.

Gee, I think Journey already did that.

[wildone]

no he reinvented his self and made some hits...my point was if he can do it so can the boys...and if it was the original band then wouldn't we be missing a few peeps ...greg rollie ..etc etc

Oh, I see. So, it was NOT about bringing back together an old sorta 'magic' with four other people. It was all about REPLACING people and starting over.

Gee, I think Journey already did that.

and not very well either i might add...and will...

[Monker]

and not very well either i might add...and will...

And, I will add that is your opinion. My opinion is that I will take: Arrival, the 2001 DVD, Red 13, and Generations, and the live shows I have seen, over what I would have had with Perry over the past 8 years - which would have been NOTHING.

In fact, I will take the years with Augeri over ROR and TBF too.

[wildone]

and not very well either i might add...and will...

And, I will add that is your opinion. My opinion is that I will take: Arrival, the 2001 DVD, Red 13, and Generations, and the live shows I have seen, over what I would have had with Perry over the past 8 years - which would have been NOTHING.

In fact, I will take the years with Augeri over ROR and TBF too.

hmmm how many of those songs are in the dirty dozen???

[larryfromnextdoor]

i like your thoughts wildone,,, it is over though , i think,,,

[wildone]

i like your thoughts wildone,,, it is over though , i think,,,

no not yet !!!!lmao yeah it does seem that way unfortunatley

[Moon Beam]

In fact, I will take the years with Augeri over ROR and TBF too.

Really Monker, wow
I loved ROR and TBF had a handful of
good tunes, well I sure thought so.
Ahhh the difference of opinions.
That's why I love this cyber space.

[larryfromnextdoor]

ror is actually one of my favs,,, its not heavy,, its just good ,, every dang song!!

i think u had to live that period,, actually to have bought it at that time and lived the songs,,,

i can see why folks dont dig it as much,, it reminds me of 38 special and boston 3rd stage,, all came out around the same time!!!!

[Monker]

and not very well either i might add...and will...

And, I will add that is your opinion. My opinion is that I will take: Arrival, the 2001 DVD, Red 13, and Generations, and the live shows I have seen, over what I would have had with Perry over the past 8 years - which would have been NOTHING.

In fact, I will take the years with Augeri over ROR and TBF too.

hmmm how many of those songs are in the dirty dozen???

From ROR and TBF? NONE.

[Monker]

ror is actually one of my favs,,, its not heavy,, its just good ,, every dang song!!

i think u had to live that period,, actually to have bought it at that time and lived the songs,,,

i can see why folks dont dig it as much,, it reminds me of 38 special and boston 3rd stage,, all came out around the same time!!!!

As I said many times...I bought ROR the day it was released. I played in a car with a friend of mine. After it was over, he took out the tape and said, "That's too bad. Steve Perry has done to Journey exactly what Dennis DeYoung has done to Styx." It sucks when one member of the band takes total control of the band.

I was never much into .38 Special. But, "Third Stage" is a good album. It's not even comparable to ROR...

If you want to compare ROR to something, it's more like Starship's "Knee Deep in the Hoopla". A once great rock band reduced to playing mediocre pop songs.

[Moon Beam]

TBF wasn't as strong I'll give ya that
but come on Monker they had
several hits from ROR every song was good.
You might not like it, that's cool but it did have great songs on it.
And that is not just my opinion.
Suzanne, Girl Can't Help It, Positive Touch,Be Good To yourself
and I'll Be Alright Without You.
Same amount of hits as Frontiers.

[Monker]

TBF wasn't as strong I'll give ya that
but come on Monker they had
several hits from ROR every song was good.
You might not like it, that's cool but it did have great songs on it.
And that is not just my opinion.
Suzanne, Girl Can't Help It, Positive Touch,Be Good To yourself
and I'll Be Alright Without You.
Same amount of hits as Frontiers.

Positive Touch didn't chart in the top 40.

ROR:
GCHI - #17
Suzzane - #17
BGTY - 9
IBAWY - 14

So, by your own argument, you are saying ROR is better then: Infinity, Evolution, Departure, Captured, and TBF.

I don't think so. Charting does not make a song better. ROR sucks compared to all of the above albums, including TBF.

[Moon Beam]

No what I'm saying is that it was stronger than
Trial By Fire.
Nothing more nothing less.

[Moon Beam]

I don't think so. Charting does not make a song better. ROR sucks compared to all of the above albums, including TBF.

So what does make a song better than charting Monker?
Your stamp of approval on it?
Looks to me like we have two different opinions and one
successful album.

[larryfromnextdoor]

ror is actually one of my favs,,, its not heavy,, its just good ,, every dang song!!

i think u had to live that period,, actually to have bought it at that time and lived the songs,,,

i can see why folks dont dig it as much,, it reminds me of 38 special and boston 3rd stage,, all came out around the same time!!!!

As I said many times...I bought ROR the day it was released. I played in a car with a friend of mine. After it was over, he took out the tape and said, "That's too bad. Steve Perry has done to Journey exactly what Dennis DeYoung has done to Styx." It sucks when one member of the band takes total control of the band.

I was never much into .38 Special. But, "Third Stage" is a good album. It's not even comparable to ROR...

If you want to compare ROR to something, it's more like Starship's "Knee Deep in the Hoopla". A once great rock band reduced to playing mediocre pop songs.

na,, i really dig ROR,, always have,, most of songs came off great live as well,,, keep rockin!!!

[ohsherrie]

I don't think so. Charting does not make a song better. ROR sucks compared to all of the above albums, including TBF.

So what does make a song better than charting Monker?
Your stamp of approval on it?

There ya go. That's pretty much it. TBF and ROR are my two favorite Journey albums. It's all about what you like, but in Monker's case all his opinions are fact?

[wildone]

I don't think so. Charting does not make a song better. ROR sucks compared to all of the above albums, including TBF.

So what does make a song better than charting Monker?
Your stamp of approval on it?

There ya go. That's pretty much it. TBF and ROR are my two favorite Journey albums. It's all about what you like, but in Monker's case all his opinions are fact?

LMAO yah right ok stop it now my sides are hurting!!!!

[whocares]

I was never much into .38 Special. But, "Third Stage" is a good album. It's not even comparable to ROR...

Obviously you don't know what you are talking about .38 Special doesn't have an album called third stage, try Boston, dumbass. Yeah, I checked what I own, and the .38 Special website, I was right.

You can't use misinformation to make a valid arguement Monker.

People like or don't like ROR, there's not much in between. You'll never convince someone that loves it, that it's bad and likewise, you'll never convince someone who hates it, that it's even ok, much less good.

edited to add - if ANY songs from ROR should be in the dirty dozen, then Be Good To Yourself should.