All Pomp and NO performance

[wildone]

Why can't the people who don't like Journey as they are now just walk away? .

Because the Journey that once was means something to us and we don't like seeing it brought this low.

Then you are a fragile person if you allow what is current to change your feelings for the past.

maybe it's just that we don't like the way there tarnishing the past!!

It's not your right to worry about who is tarnishing what. That's your opinion, but that it isn't the opinion of EVERY fan. So what makes your opinion matter more than theirs? For some reason you and others seem to think that your opinions are worth more, and they aren't.

Hmmm I guess it's all on honesty and telling the truth good or bad that's how i was raised if you have a question ask it...simple as that really.

That's fine, and good on your parents for raising you that way. But again that is truth as YOU see it. No everyone believes what you believe, and that is their right and yours, so when you post about how ripped off you are why are you surprised that the people who don't believe that Journey has been lipsynching question you?

It's funny how the uk stuff is so amazing ...but then all this comes up they come back home and written reviews say he doesn't sound very good....

What does any of what you wrote have to do with what I posted? You hear one thing, other people hear another. Your "proof" is heard differently by different people. They have listened and don't buy it, hell they have even used it to show that it does the opposite of what you contend, some people say if anything the bootlegs prove he ISN'T lipsyching. There are written reviews that say Steve is doing fine, why do you ignore those? Because it doesn't fit your view of this issue.
Again you and others here seem to have some sense of entitlement, and you don't. PERIOD.

But as you read the positive i see the negative and we can take what ever side we feel ...this is america and yes i have friends who have gone to the show any say they were ok not great just ok...and other long time fans who say they were wiped off the stage by defleppard...and i think all fans are entiltled to the truth ...we do help pay there salaries..(well i don't anymore tickets were taken back)

[Eric]

Yeah....Def Leppard blowing Journey off the stage.....suuuuuure

[Monker]

It's funny how the uk stuff is so amazing ...but then all this comes up they come back home and written reviews say he doesn't sound very good....

Oh, and that is such good "proof'. How do you expect me to react?

"Holy shit! I just heard another crappy bootleg where the vocals fade in and out, Augeri kinda/sorta sounds bad...I think, if it's not just a crappy recording. Yeah, he must be lip-synching those other concerts."

You guys have way too much time on your hands.

[wildone]

Yeah....Def Leppard blowing Journey off the stage.....suuuuuure

well it was from a bter who didnt want there named used for the high school reaction factor!!

[RossValoryRocks]

i think all fans are entiltled to the truth

Who's truth? I suppose you have a right to truth, but you and other seem to think that they only the truth that the fans are entitled to is your truth.

[wildone]

i think all fans are entiltled to the truth

Who's truth? I suppose you have a right to truth, but you and other seem to think that they only the truth that the fans are entitled to is your truth.

Well any word from the journey boys on this subject would be fine ... If they give there word about it (and care what there word actually means)then that would be good enough for me...pretty much as simple as that. ( and no it's there truth we're waiting on)not mine

[RossValoryRocks]

i think all fans are entiltled to the truth

Who's truth? I suppose you have a right to truth, but you and other seem to think that they only the truth that the fans are entitled to is your truth.

Well any word from the journey boys on this subject would be fine ... If they give there word about it (and care what there word actually means)then that would be good enough for me...pretty much as simple as that. ( and no it's there truth we're waiting on)not mine

If Journey came out and said "No we are not lipsynching" you and everyone else would just say they were lying and point to the bootlegs as your evidence and continue to trash away, so why should they even say anything?

[wildone]

i think all fans are entiltled to the truth

Who's truth? I suppose you have a right to truth, but you and other seem to think that they only the truth that the fans are entitled to is your truth.

Well any word from the journey boys on this subject would be fine ... If they give there word about it (and care what there word actually means)then that would be good enough for me...pretty much as simple as that. ( and no it's there truth we're waiting on)not mine

If Journey came out and said "No we are not lipsynching" you and everyone else would just say they were lying and point to the bootlegs as your evidence and continue to trash away, so why should they even say anything?

Ummm sorry don't point that finger at me ...lol just waiting for a word from the band is all ...it's not the conspiracy thing you guys are always hiding under...

[Memorex]

The word from Journey should not be that they were not lip syncing. I excpect an admission that they were.

[wildone]

The word from Journey should not be that they were not lip syncing. I excpect an admission that they were.

Then if thats whats going on so be it lets us know and move on ...damn that;s not to hard

[RossValoryRocks]

The word from Journey should not be that they were not lip syncing. I excpect an admission that they were.

What do you base this on?

[Memorex]

The word from Journey should not be that they were not lip syncing. I excpect an admission that they were.

What do you base this on?

Sigh.

RVR, I completely understand your loyalty to the band. Believe me, I've been there. But as I have stated many, many times; The boots, Svante's post, and most importantly the lack of a band statement lead me to believe with 99.9% belief that tapes are/were being used. Other things as well, but I'm listing those things out for public consumption and feel it's enough.

I think you could take the original Faithfully" boot and that would be enough for me on it's own, I think.

I don't want to change your mind. I am just pointing out that for those of us that wanted the band to respond, it's because we want the band to admit using tapes.

I was very upset with Journey. Very. They have been my fav's for 30 years. When I was a teenager, every ounce of my bedroom walls were covered with Journey posters/pictures. I play them constantly. I talk about them endlessly. I was the guy they should have addressed - and everyone like me when this happened.

But now, after hearing the new boots, I find myself not as angry. I feel pity for them. I feel sorry for Augeri. It's a very sad decline. Very sad.

[wildone]

The word from Journey should not be that they were not lip syncing. I excpect an admission that they were.

What do you base this on?

Sigh.

RVR, I completely understand your loyalty to the band. Believe me, I've been there. But as I have stated many, many times; The boots, Svante's post, and most importantly the lack of a band statement lead me to believe with 99.9% belief that tapes are/were being used. Other things as well, but I'm listing those things out for public consumption and feel it's enough.

I think you could take the original Faithfully" boot and that would be enough for me on it's own, I think.

I don't want to change your mind. I am just pointing out that for those of us that wanted the band to respond, it's because we want the band to admit using tapes.

I was very upset with Journey. Very. They have been my fav's for 30 years. When I was a teenager, every ounce of my bedroom walls were covered with Journey posters/pictures. I play them constantly. I talk about them endlessly. I was the guy they should have addressed - and everyone like me when this happened.

But now, after hearing the new boots, I find myself not as angry. I feel pity for them. I feel sorry for Augeri. It's a very sad decline. Very sad.

It is sad if the guy is hurting hell forget the money and let the guy heal up ...what's so wrong about that hell we all get hurt or sick at work and we take our time off...why can't he???

[StyxCollector]

But now, after hearing the new boots, I find myself not as angry. I feel pity for them. I feel sorry for Augeri. It's a very sad decline. Very sad.

It is sad if the guy is hurting hell forget the money and let the guy heal up ...what's so wrong about that hell we all get hurt or sick at work and we take our time off...why can't he???[/quote]

That's it in a nutshell. At this point, tapes used or not, Augeri needs to rest his voice. It's not going to get better without rest (if it will even heal with the abuse it has taken). For the other guys in Journey - and I'm mainly pointing the finger at Messrs. Cain and Schon - to force him to be up there night after night tearing his throat up is ridiculous. That says to me that Schon and Cain value money over someone's heath.

I honestly think that no matter what happens after this tour, they can't survive a new frontman. If Augeri has to go (and he should, or at least get 6 - 8 months off), either get Perry and drop some keys (EDIT: I'm not pro-Perry, but Perry is the only way they can survive if Augeri goes since he's already part of the name brand), or call it quits. If Augeri goes and Deen sings, they'll do this to Deen, too. They've proven that.

Sad.

[RossValoryRocks]

it's because we want the band to admit using tapes.

It's not about loyalty to the band. It's a band, not a family member or a country or what have you. And that is the problem. Not everyone who has listened to what Dean has given as evidence believes that they have used tapes. That's not a knock on you or Dean, it a difference of opinion.
So in the eyes of those people why should Journey respond to something that isn't true?
And probably in the world at large more people don't believe than do at this point, except on the MR Journey forums of course. Again not a knock on you or anyone who believes they have used tapes, just a simple statement of fact.

[ohsherrie]

Why can't the people who don't like Journey as they are now just walk away? .

Because the Journey that once was means something to us and we don't like seeing it brought this low.

Then you are a fragile person if you allow what is current to change your feelings for the past.

Oh yeah Monker, I'm so fragile I'm just falling all to pieces over this. Nothing is changing my feelings for the Journey that I'm a fan of. It's the perceptions of the music world in general towards Journey that I think are being effected by this travesty.

[RossValoryRocks]

Why can't the people who don't like Journey as they are now just walk away? .

Because the Journey that once was means something to us and we don't like seeing it brought this low.

Then you are a fragile person if you allow what is current to change your feelings for the past.

Oh yeah Monker, I'm so fragile I'm just falling all to pieces over this. Nothing is changing my feelings for the Journey that I'm a fan of. It's the perceptions of the music world in general towards Journey that I think are being effected by this travesty.

Ok I will keep pointing this over and over until some kind of understanding blossoms: YOU believe it is a travesty, that there is a problem, NOT EVERYONE sees the same thing, therefore you calling it a travesty is opinion, yet you try and wield the word like it is a fact.

For MOST people, not even many, but MOST nothing has been proven yet.

So when you state your opinion as fact those people who don't believe you are dismissive of you because when you throw opinions around as fact is makes your argument look poor, and it makes you look uneducated and I doubt you are uneducated.

[ohsherrie]

It's not your right to worry about who is tarnishing what.

Who's right is it if not the fans? Or do you mean only fans of the current band have the right to worry about Journey?

That's your opinion, but that it isn't the opinion of EVERY fan. So what makes your opinion matter more than theirs? For some reason you and others seem to think that your opinions are worth more, and they aren't.

I don't feel that way at all. I think all opinions have the same weight whether I agree with them or not. That's what messageboard discussions are all about, varying opinions. The problems occur when people can't disagree without getting personal about it and trying to discredit the poster rather than the opinion.

[Andrew]

I think everyone needs to relax a little. Everything will work out ok...

[RossValoryRocks]

The problems occur when people can't disagree without getting personal about it and trying to discredit the poster rather than the opinion.

I agree with you. People on both sides have been arguing personalities rather than issues, and it makes both sides look innane.

[wildone]

The problems occur when people can't disagree without getting personal about it and trying to discredit the poster rather than the opinion.

I agree with you. People on both sides have been arguing personalities rather than issues, and it makes both sides look innane.

Heres a first I'm gonna even agree with this statement...

[zino]

FRom what has been written on the shows, it seems that Augeri's voice is defenitly not where it once was, there seems to be a problem with the sound system ( this could be to cover up the voice issue a bit) But I will see for myself on 7/10 @ West Palm BEach, I will be in the 4th row and see/hear for myself what the story is here, then I can give you my first hand opinion. What we have here is a lot of people going off of other people's opinions, boots, reviews of reviewrs (is that a word ) and so forth. Everybody will see/hear something different out of each show, the casual fan ( like my wife) will probably not like the set list shes there for the dirty dozen. The bigger fan like most people here like the different songs and such . Hopefully this will not be the end of Journey but I will give my best thoughts after the show.

[RubyTequila]

Sorry but this deserves it's OWN thread. I am sickened..........


http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?news ... 0164&rfi=6

Def Leppard's Phil Collen. Photo by Tom Bonomo
7/1/06 at Montage Mountain, Scranton

While it's been 27 years since Def Leppard's first recording, watching the band rock the Toyota Pavilion at Montage Mountain Friday night, you couldn't help but shake your head. A countrified Bon Jovi not withstanding, Def Leppard is schooling every single band of its heyday.

And, the guys know what's up. Near the one-hour mark of their torrid, greatest hits-heavy set, Phil Collen paused to deliver one of the most sincere "thank you" passages of any band we've ever heard on the mountain.

"We've been following what's been going on around here and we didn't think anyone was going to come out tonight. We thought you all had more important things to do than to come and see a rock 'n' roll show. We're all here, and we're going to try and make everybody happy for a little bit."

This was a damp Northeastern Pennsylvania crowd that had spent the past few days watching a river swallow entire towns, but tired it was not. It needed a release, and Def Leppard provided it.

This crowd stood for Def Leppard's entire set, and sadly, it was a stark contrast to Journey's opening set, which can be described as dismal at best.

Journey came out all pomp and no performance. Frontman Steve Augeri, who will forever be compared to the incomparable Steve Perry, spent most of his stage time front and center, mugging for the crowd in a Jesus Christ pose, like he was expecting to be showered with adoration for all of the music he had nothing to do with.

Augeri sported white jeans and a white sport coat, like he was running late for Colonel Sanders' wedding or something. What we quickly learned, is that much like Colonel Sanders doesn't actually cook the chicken at KFC, Steve Augeri doesn't really sing the songs for Journey.

From note one, Neal Schon's guitar sonically dwarfed everything on stage. Only if you stuck your fingers in your ears could you clearly hear Augeri, whose voice cracked and broke like Rob Zombie in a church choir. His singing offered little range, less sustain, and was barely comparable to most Monday night karaoke singers, much less Steve Perry.

The first two songs were lyrically inaudible, and led into a guitar solo. Yes, a guitar solo, with the entire band onstage, sans Augeri.

Augeri left the stage during several songs, which drummer Deen Castronovo sang almost exactly like Steve Perry. On more than one occasion, Augeri stopped singing and pulled the mic from his face, yet the vocals sounded unchanged as Castronovo carried the tune.

Castronovo, on this night, was the best performer in the band. It's too bad that the songs he sang sent many fans to the beer tents, as fans realized Augeri is nothing but a puppet, and Castronovo was pulling the strings. It's a wonder how a "singer" can continue to tour, knowing that night after night, he has to leave the stage so the drummer can sing the songs he's supposed to sing.

Visually, Journey's show was about as enticing as a two-year old Kohl's circular, and about as hip. Cain looked like he didn't want to be there. Schon never took off his shades. Ross Valory looked like any ol' bass player you might find playing at a fire company picnic.

Augeri made no effort to ingratiate himself to the crowd. You'd think if his role, musically, was a limited one, then he must be worth something as a showman.

No.

And as the first hour crawled, we sat in awe of the gigantic horizontal video screen that played generic shapes and swirlies that even Windows Media Player had to find amusing.

There would be no "Open Arms," and the band played only one tune from Raised on Radio, and it was ironically "Be Good to Yourself." The crowd finally rose one hour into the set, when Cain started "Faithfully." Augeri (wisely) allowed the crowd to sing "Don't Stop," "Separate Ways," and the encore of "Any Way You Want It."

His night was summed up when he idiotically tossed his rockstar mic stand into Deen's drum kit during "Separate Ways," sending a cymbal and its boom mount crashing to the stage and drawing a death stare from Deen's drum tech.

There are times when such acts could be considered as "rock 'n' roll." This was not one of those times, and this is not one of those tours for Journey.

By night's end, it was obvious that Def Leppard had come to rock, while Journey had come to get paid. DL looked and sounded even better than its prior visit to Wilkes-Barre not six months ago, and it added updated song and video selection to its show.

As for Journey, Cain told us in a recent interview (posted on this site) that Journey has a legacy to protect, and like a knight at the round table, he steps on stage with his sword drawn to play the songs people paid to hear.

On this night, DL was the band with swords drawn to protect its legacy, and Journey? Well, guys, next time you ride into town on your white horse, swords drawn in the name of rock 'n' roll, you better have Sir Perry leading the charge.

Ohhhh that's brutal....I've got tix for Dallas, sounds like this may be the last time....we shall see

[wildone]

Sorry but this deserves it's OWN thread. I am sickened..........


http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?news ... 0164&rfi=6

Def Leppard's Phil Collen. Photo by Tom Bonomo
7/1/06 at Montage Mountain, Scranton

While it's been 27 years since Def Leppard's first recording, watching the band rock the Toyota Pavilion at Montage Mountain Friday night, you couldn't help but shake your head. A countrified Bon Jovi not withstanding, Def Leppard is schooling every single band of its heyday.

And, the guys know what's up. Near the one-hour mark of their torrid, greatest hits-heavy set, Phil Collen paused to deliver one of the most sincere "thank you" passages of any band we've ever heard on the mountain.

"We've been following what's been going on around here and we didn't think anyone was going to come out tonight. We thought you all had more important things to do than to come and see a rock 'n' roll show. We're all here, and we're going to try and make everybody happy for a little bit."

This was a damp Northeastern Pennsylvania crowd that had spent the past few days watching a river swallow entire towns, but tired it was not. It needed a release, and Def Leppard provided it.

This crowd stood for Def Leppard's entire set, and sadly, it was a stark contrast to Journey's opening set, which can be described as dismal at best.

Journey came out all pomp and no performance. Frontman Steve Augeri, who will forever be compared to the incomparable Steve Perry, spent most of his stage time front and center, mugging for the crowd in a Jesus Christ pose, like he was expecting to be showered with adoration for all of the music he had nothing to do with.

Augeri sported white jeans and a white sport coat, like he was running late for Colonel Sanders' wedding or something. What we quickly learned, is that much like Colonel Sanders doesn't actually cook the chicken at KFC, Steve Augeri doesn't really sing the songs for Journey.

From note one, Neal Schon's guitar sonically dwarfed everything on stage. Only if you stuck your fingers in your ears could you clearly hear Augeri, whose voice cracked and broke like Rob Zombie in a church choir. His singing offered little range, less sustain, and was barely comparable to most Monday night karaoke singers, much less Steve Perry.

The first two songs were lyrically inaudible, and led into a guitar solo. Yes, a guitar solo, with the entire band onstage, sans Augeri.

Augeri left the stage during several songs, which drummer Deen Castronovo sang almost exactly like Steve Perry. On more than one occasion, Augeri stopped singing and pulled the mic from his face, yet the vocals sounded unchanged as Castronovo carried the tune.

Castronovo, on this night, was the best performer in the band. It's too bad that the songs he sang sent many fans to the beer tents, as fans realized Augeri is nothing but a puppet, and Castronovo was pulling the strings. It's a wonder how a "singer" can continue to tour, knowing that night after night, he has to leave the stage so the drummer can sing the songs he's supposed to sing.

Visually, Journey's show was about as enticing as a two-year old Kohl's circular, and about as hip. Cain looked like he didn't want to be there. Schon never took off his shades. Ross Valory looked like any ol' bass player you might find playing at a fire company picnic.

Augeri made no effort to ingratiate himself to the crowd. You'd think if his role, musically, was a limited one, then he must be worth something as a showman.

No.

And as the first hour crawled, we sat in awe of the gigantic horizontal video screen that played generic shapes and swirlies that even Windows Media Player had to find amusing.

There would be no "Open Arms," and the band played only one tune from Raised on Radio, and it was ironically "Be Good to Yourself." The crowd finally rose one hour into the set, when Cain started "Faithfully." Augeri (wisely) allowed the crowd to sing "Don't Stop," "Separate Ways," and the encore of "Any Way You Want It."

His night was summed up when he idiotically tossed his rockstar mic stand into Deen's drum kit during "Separate Ways," sending a cymbal and its boom mount crashing to the stage and drawing a death stare from Deen's drum tech.

There are times when such acts could be considered as "rock 'n' roll." This was not one of those times, and this is not one of those tours for Journey.

By night's end, it was obvious that Def Leppard had come to rock, while Journey had come to get paid. DL looked and sounded even better than its prior visit to Wilkes-Barre not six months ago, and it added updated song and video selection to its show.

As for Journey, Cain told us in a recent interview (posted on this site) that Journey has a legacy to protect, and like a knight at the round table, he steps on stage with his sword drawn to play the songs people paid to hear.

On this night, DL was the band with swords drawn to protect its legacy, and Journey? Well, guys, next time you ride into town on your white horse, swords drawn in the name of rock 'n' roll, you better have Sir Perry leading the charge.

Ohhhh that's brutal....I've got tix for Dallas, sounds like this may be the last time....we shall see

Hell your better off returning them and listening to a dvd from days gone by!!!imo

[RubyTequila]

Sorry but this deserves it's OWN thread. I am sickened..........


http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?news ... 0164&rfi=6

Def Leppard's Phil Collen. Photo by Tom Bonomo
7/1/06 at Montage Mountain, Scranton

While it's been 27 years since Def Leppard's first recording, watching the band rock the Toyota Pavilion at Montage Mountain Friday night, you couldn't help but shake your head. A countrified Bon Jovi not withstanding, Def Leppard is schooling every single band of its heyday.

And, the guys know what's up. Near the one-hour mark of their torrid, greatest hits-heavy set, Phil Collen paused to deliver one of the most sincere "thank you" passages of any band we've ever heard on the mountain.

"We've been following what's been going on around here and we didn't think anyone was going to come out tonight. We thought you all had more important things to do than to come and see a rock 'n' roll show. We're all here, and we're going to try and make everybody happy for a little bit."

This was a damp Northeastern Pennsylvania crowd that had spent the past few days watching a river swallow entire towns, but tired it was not. It needed a release, and Def Leppard provided it.

This crowd stood for Def Leppard's entire set, and sadly, it was a stark contrast to Journey's opening set, which can be described as dismal at best.

Journey came out all pomp and no performance. Frontman Steve Augeri, who will forever be compared to the incomparable Steve Perry, spent most of his stage time front and center, mugging for the crowd in a Jesus Christ pose, like he was expecting to be showered with adoration for all of the music he had nothing to do with.

Augeri sported white jeans and a white sport coat, like he was running late for Colonel Sanders' wedding or something. What we quickly learned, is that much like Colonel Sanders doesn't actually cook the chicken at KFC, Steve Augeri doesn't really sing the songs for Journey.

From note one, Neal Schon's guitar sonically dwarfed everything on stage. Only if you stuck your fingers in your ears could you clearly hear Augeri, whose voice cracked and broke like Rob Zombie in a church choir. His singing offered little range, less sustain, and was barely comparable to most Monday night karaoke singers, much less Steve Perry.

The first two songs were lyrically inaudible, and led into a guitar solo. Yes, a guitar solo, with the entire band onstage, sans Augeri.

Augeri left the stage during several songs, which drummer Deen Castronovo sang almost exactly like Steve Perry. On more than one occasion, Augeri stopped singing and pulled the mic from his face, yet the vocals sounded unchanged as Castronovo carried the tune.

Castronovo, on this night, was the best performer in the band. It's too bad that the songs he sang sent many fans to the beer tents, as fans realized Augeri is nothing but a puppet, and Castronovo was pulling the strings. It's a wonder how a "singer" can continue to tour, knowing that night after night, he has to leave the stage so the drummer can sing the songs he's supposed to sing.

Visually, Journey's show was about as enticing as a two-year old Kohl's circular, and about as hip. Cain looked like he didn't want to be there. Schon never took off his shades. Ross Valory looked like any ol' bass player you might find playing at a fire company picnic.

Augeri made no effort to ingratiate himself to the crowd. You'd think if his role, musically, was a limited one, then he must be worth something as a showman.

No.

And as the first hour crawled, we sat in awe of the gigantic horizontal video screen that played generic shapes and swirlies that even Windows Media Player had to find amusing.

There would be no "Open Arms," and the band played only one tune from Raised on Radio, and it was ironically "Be Good to Yourself." The crowd finally rose one hour into the set, when Cain started "Faithfully." Augeri (wisely) allowed the crowd to sing "Don't Stop," "Separate Ways," and the encore of "Any Way You Want It."

His night was summed up when he idiotically tossed his rockstar mic stand into Deen's drum kit during "Separate Ways," sending a cymbal and its boom mount crashing to the stage and drawing a death stare from Deen's drum tech.

There are times when such acts could be considered as "rock 'n' roll." This was not one of those times, and this is not one of those tours for Journey.

By night's end, it was obvious that Def Leppard had come to rock, while Journey had come to get paid. DL looked and sounded even better than its prior visit to Wilkes-Barre not six months ago, and it added updated song and video selection to its show.

As for Journey, Cain told us in a recent interview (posted on this site) that Journey has a legacy to protect, and like a knight at the round table, he steps on stage with his sword drawn to play the songs people paid to hear.

On this night, DL was the band with swords drawn to protect its legacy, and Journey? Well, guys, next time you ride into town on your white horse, swords drawn in the name of rock 'n' roll, you better have Sir Perry leading the charge.

Ohhhh that's brutal....I've got tix for Dallas, sounds like this may be the last time....we shall see

Hell your better off returning them and listening to a dvd from days gone by!!!imo

Well theres still Def Leppard...

[whocares]

Ok I will keep pointing this over and over until some kind of understanding blossoms: YOU believe it is a travesty, that there is a problem, NOT EVERYONE sees the same thing, therefore you calling it a travesty is opinion, yet you try and wield the word like it is a fact.

For MOST people, not even many, but MOST nothing has been proven yet.

So when you state your opinion as fact those people who don't believe you are dismissive of you because when you throw opinions around as fact is makes your argument look poor, and it makes you look uneducated and I doubt you are uneducated.

If you folks are willing to pay for possibly a pre-recorded "show" rather than live vocals in only a fraction of the show, then you're not much better off than going to the TV room, and watching a concert on TV. Everything will be perfect and there won't be anything to come here to complain about us, to us about.

Again, blind leading the blind. Sadly the more you open your mouth, the more we see it's true.

[jrnyman28]

Keep in mind this is the same guy that did the interview with Jon Cain about the integrity and conviction article. He also contacted their publicist first same one that set up the other interview and asked about the lip syncing and she wouldn't comment but admitted to being concerned because he asked for their comment and let them know he would be attending the show. I let him know where he mixed up Joe Elliott and Phil Collen and he has fixed it. Here's the other review from last night from another reporter at the show and I have posted both on the Scranton thread as well with comments.
http://www.thetimes-tribune.com/site/ne ... 6046&rfi=6

Pretty obvious they aren't getting glowing reviews when the shows are live.

wow they'd rather take a beating in the paper then deal with whats going on ....thats a big ego trip!!!

They'll just say "well the critics have never been kind to Journey." Or something of the like.

No, BTer's say the critic is a jerk or doesn't know what he is talking about.

[jrnyman28]

Journey did slightly misstep with its set list. The co-headline bill meant a shorter set for both bands - about 75 minutes - and for a group whose "Greatest Hits" CD has sold more than 10 million units, they should have played a few more.

And here I think that is a good thing.

[jrnyman28]

On more than one occasion, Augeri stopped singing and pulled the mic from his face, yet the vocals sounded unchanged as Castronovo carried the tune.

OK, so now the guy is comparing Steve's voice to Deen's...and he is saying they sound the same. But that is suppoosed to be proof that there is something wrong with Steve's voice while Deen sounds great? I hate contradictions....

[A Fire Inside]

On a related note:
BackTalk's putrid.

That why you post there, Journey78?