what is the real reason behind all the maddness...

[lights1961]

Get behind the real reason all the side taking going on..and then you will figure out why their is so much hatred or aurguments...---to anyone who disagrees that Journey featuring Steve Augeri has been a success (not a MAJOR success but its still going on 9 years later...) --THESE FANS CANT STAND IT... They wanted Journey to end that first tour, nope did not end.. arrival came out...bashed it anyway they could.. the tour came and went.. still bashed it... next red 13 came out 4 great songs.. and still there was a force out there who hated it.. and still pissed that they did not make Journey end... next came eve with Journey tours and still they bashed it....OH BTW on every tour...the same people who would bash the band---would want to know how to get meet and greets..but stab em behind the back every chance you get... you know who you are...........next came GENERATIONS---a huge CD full of great songs.. but again bashing the CD.. I want one singer the whole CD... I want this I want that... still wanted meet and greets though.. All this leads to the GREATEST European success yet from Journey this past spring....---and still there was a force here who bashed the success NOT THE EUROPEAN FANS.. the US FANS.....Now the DEF LEPPARD tour starts and let the bashing begin---its getting to be old people.... as has been said before GET A LIFE. reading the posts over here the past week or so has made me sad for YOU. Not for me or for Journey--- they can take it---- I am sad for you... obssesed with wanting failure is liberalism at its finest!! ( IE everyone miserable...) MHO only on all this--- so go ahead and give it back to me---I can take it... Andrew great site, I love the information on this site, dont close it!! Again I am not speaking for all--- just me...

PS----
Yes we all have passion for Journey music.. but seems like some would be glad if there was no Journey--- only Steve Perry...

But the real NUMBER ONE reason of the division of the fans is what???? if you can answer the aflac triva question-- you are a observant fan.....answer is---- Behind the Music FEB 18 2001... MHO.....

Sorry for the ramblings.. but someone had to!!! :D:D


Rick S.
PBKRBKR61 at BT...

[whocares]

This isn't about people who can't stand that Augeri is the lead singer now. a Good many of the people (me included) that want answers not only gave Augeri a chance but several chances. He tries to sing too much like Perry and that's killing his voice. I don't care what people say about him coming into his own voice, that's a crock of shit. He tries every little infliction that Perry did and that's just bad in my eyes (and ears).

This is not about the band going away with what little bit of dignity they have left. They aren't losing fans totally, because many still believe in the music that we have to listen to. They are losing money though, and will continue to lose money as long as they try to scam the "fans".

Behind the music isn't what's divided the fans. There were already divisions, sadly. At this point, Journey is doing themselves as a band and individuals, a great injustice. Deen C. is the only thing saving them at this point and I hope to God he get's out before it damages his reputation for being in a band that scams their fans.

[Jeremey]

Jesu Christo, dude....Of all the madness I've seen, it's been these people from the BackTalk - People on this site have had fairly reasonable debate without the divebombers sent over from other sites to call names and scream about how evil everyone is here. All I've seen is much discussion about "passing the kool aid (?)" and attacking people - legitimate fans, mind you - that dare to care about the obvious problems Journey is going through. Being called out as a hater who can't stand the success Journey's had with Steve Augeri only makes your so-called "side" (if there must be sides) look like lunatics.


Here's a reasonable idea, all you other folks who've made an organized attempt to stifle any discussion between people who care about this band and the music (and tell everyone else to "get a life")...

How about coming on this board - Since it's the only place such discussion is allowed - and engaging in a reasonable and civil discussion about whatever you feel so strongly about? Without calling names, or hoping that people "fall off the face of the earth," or whatever. I appreciate your strong admiration and love for the music, there's nothing wrong with it - it's a love we all share - ...I'm not calling your fanaticism into question, either....Just - Let's have at it....A reasonable discussion, without name calling or taking sides or anything else. Please clearly state why you think it is bashing and hatred to have a discussion about the concern of the band that everyone here loves and admires? Then others can explain clearly why they are concerned, without having their "loyalty" called into question...

[EightyRock]

What flavor is the Kool-Aid today? SOUR grape? Are you reading these reviews? Are you seeing that Augeri made his decision weeks ago to either stay on stage with tapes until they were caught? Now he goes live and "croaks" for the audience? How many people do you think will want to continue sitting through THAT? Wake up.
This is not about Perry vs. Augeri, even though you'd like that to be true. Originally, it was about morality in giving people what they paid for. If it ain't gonna be live...SAY so. Print it on your ticket. If your singer is having problems and then decides since he's been caught and is now going to croak at you over half the time, SAY so, to the audience, radio and anyone who might want to BUY a ticket. Don't drag down the legacy of the band to this level with all of this bull shit, playing musical chairs with the drummer and the person you call the lead singer.
Now tell me again how this is Perry's fault? Oh yeah, that's right...he set the bar too high for everyone else. What an awful dude. How dare he give his best or care about the band's legacy? His fans should really feel bad about that. Quit trying to make this about Perry. It is Augeri and today's band that are doing this to themselves, so quit blaming everybody but those who are at fault. You people need a nice tall glass of REALITY on ice!

[Liz22562]

NIG, where is that dead horse sig you have?

Please insert it on this thread.

[NealIsGod]

NIG, where is that dead horse sig you have?

Please insert it on this thread.

Wow, people love it.

[lights1961]

It has always been about that... just in different form as time goes on....
(If you have been to Augeri message board a few years ago--the hatred for that guy is just amazing... He is loved as well.. but some of the hatefull things typed in you just shook your head in disgust........) I wonder what type of feedback would be if Perry would be the one who was alleged to use sound cards or tape during shows if message boards were around back in 1982...



Rick

[KittyKat]

For anyone to say this is a Perry issue hasn't been paying attention. You certainly can't use their success in Europe as a valid argument either since we know they were using tapes for those shows. How about the journalists that have given them great coverage only to go to a show this tour and say Steve's singing was awful. They haven't lasted a full two weeks into the tour since going live even with Deen's help and a few days off in 10 days time. If that isn't a cold glass of water in the face to wake you up I don't know what is.

What makes them look even worse to the fans and public is that this was the game they played on their last tour so if it wasn't stricly money motivated why did they agree to do such an extensive tour again? Because they got away with it. How many chances were they given by Deano and the fans as well before the first US show was even played?

[*Laura]

[whocares]

I beg to differ Lights...

The Augeri lovers or whatever names they choose for themselves and their websites all are variations of Perry sites and names that were long befoer Augeri names and websites came about. ie- Augeriville/Perryville.

The people who think Augeri looks so good in red leather pants and everything else are the ones who appear jealous or Perry's success. They also choose to look the other way and happily admit it. It's not wonder why there's such a big difference in opinions. The people who post here (most of them) see the reality side of things... Thus the koolaid/rosey glasses comments that are all around.

You did good, another bter coming over to incite the masses here. Bravo.

Your posts hold no water though.

If Perry had done this kind of thing, then I'd be all over his ass about this too.

[lights1961]

****Maybe its me as a fan in denial??? because it does seem that more and more information is coming out now.... *** however, as a true loyal fan of the music....I will say that playing live should be palying live... you never want to be blindsided with accusations about not being a real live show......but I will get to see for myself if I can tell that tapes are used as we will be seeing two show coming up---- one in the Twin Cities July 18...and then in Ames Ia on Sept 7.... my wife will be able to tell me as her observance is much better than mine and I want to be biased that this tape issue is a dead issue... ---and will let you know what my take is then---- The sigs everyone has is great.. especially Shania...






Rick

[PROPERRY]

Lori

[whocares]

****Maybe its me as a fan in denial??? because it does seem that more and more information is coming out now.... *** however, as a true loyal fan of the music....I will say that playing live should be palying live... you never want to be blindsided with accusations about not being a real live show......but I will get to see for myself if I can tell that tapes are used as we will be seeing two show coming up---- one in the Twin Cities July 18...and then in Ames Ia on Sept 7.... my wife will be able to tell me as her observance is much better than mine and I want to be biased that this tape issue is a dead issue... ---and will let you know what my take is then---- The sigs everyone has is great.. especially Shania...

Rick

I will say this, whether it's fececious(sp?) on your part or not, and I don't know, at least you typed the words, "maybe it's just me as a fan in denial".

One thing that should never be called into question, is the loyalty of a Journey Fan. No matter who you like or love as the lead singer. Journey was around before Perry, and after. We ahve that to be thankful for, but these days, it could go away and there'd still be lots of great memories left behind.

[lights1961]

I beg to differ Lights...

The Augeri lovers or whatever names they choose for themselves and their websites all are variations of Perry sites and names that were long befoer Augeri names and websites came about. ie- Augeriville/Perryville.

The people who think Augeri looks so good in red leather pants and everything else are the ones who appear jealous or Perry's success. They also choose to look the other way and happily admit it. It's not wonder why there's such a big difference in opinions. The people who post here (most of them) see the reality side of things... Thus the koolaid/rosey glasses comments that are all around.

You did good, another bter coming over to incite the masses here. Bravo.

Your posts hold no water though.

If Perry had done this kind of thing, then I'd be all over his ass about this too.

I came here to post a message to see what the defenses and replys would be===as its been on my mind awhile now regarding all of this.....--because how can it be??? you just dont want it that way...

[KittyKat]

Why are so many people saying we'll see what happens in the shows coming up? I didn't dare imagine that they'd put Augeri on stage again. Do we really think they'd do that? This tour just started 10 days ago, I know it seems longer but they have months of shows scheduled and sold in advance. Whatever changes they need to make should be done now if they want to finish this tour and I'm sure they do.

[lights1961]

****Maybe its me as a fan in denial??? because it does seem that more and more information is coming out now.... *** however, as a true loyal fan of the music....I will say that playing live should be palying live... you never want to be blindsided with accusations about not being a real live show......but I will get to see for myself if I can tell that tapes are used as we will be seeing two show coming up---- one in the Twin Cities July 18...and then in Ames Ia on Sept 7.... my wife will be able to tell me as her observance is much better than mine and I want to be biased that this tape issue is a dead issue... ---and will let you know what my take is then---- The sigs everyone has is great.. especially Shania...

Rick

I will say this, whether it's fececious(sp?) on your part or not, and I don't know, at least you typed the words, "maybe it's just me as a fan in denial".

One thing that should never be called into question, is the loyalty of a Journey Fan. No matter who you like or love as the lead singer. Journey was around before Perry, and after. We ahve that to be thankful for, but these days, it could go away and there'd still be lots of great memories left behind.

I am being truthfull to that statement... the next two weeks though will be tough----- Once I see the show on July 18.... and I can see for myself that cards are either used or not--- then i will come in here and tell it like it is... If I can scold everyone here.. so be it... but if I come back with different attitude... then I will be sad...

Rick

[whocares]

the only thing I think peopel wnat here is good old fashioned honesty in your opinions, just remember that and things will be smooth, sorry to give you a hard time, but you are taking it like a man, and that's a good thing. have fun, but please let us know what the shows are like.

[lights1961]

the only thing I think peopel wnat here is good old fashioned honesty in your opinions, just remember that and things will be smooth, sorry to give you a hard time, but you are taking it like a man, and that's a good thing. have fun, but please let us know what the shows are like.

Thanks for your support...

yep!! And really the thing that is bugging me the most of this tour compared to the main event in 2003 or hearing Journey by themselfs as I did in 2004..... only 75 minutes for both bands??? to me that is the real **crime** with the main event tour they all got 90 minutes!! I mean you are just getting warmed up as a fan and 65 minutes into the show its almost done???


Rick

[Monker]

But the real NUMBER ONE reason of the division of the fans is what???? if you can answer the aflac triva question-- you are a observant fan.....answer is---- Behind the Music FEB 18 2001... MHO.....

Good post, except for the above...

There was 'bashing' BEFORE the BTM. There was bashing of Journey before Augeri was even hired. There was bashing of Chalfant before the reunion with Perry. Whenever there is something that does not go the fans way, there is bashing.

[chickpea]

Funniest thing I've seen on this board in a long time!!

[Monker]

yep!! And really the thing that is bugging me the most of this tour compared to the main event in 2003 or hearing Journey by themselfs as I did in 2004..... only 75 minutes for both bands??? to me that is the real **crime** with the main event tour they all got 90 minutes!! I mean you are just getting warmed up as a fan and 65 minutes into the show its almost done???

I also agree with this...I didn't believe it when it was posted here. That is WAY too short of a set. If you only like one of the bands, then I would say to skip the tour, since ticket prices are more expense. I spent $110 for tickets to the Main Event concert in Omaha...$175 for this time in Ames. That is WAY too much, IMO, and I doubt I will do it again.

[jrnyman28]

But the real NUMBER ONE reason of the division of the fans is what???? if you can answer the aflac triva question-- you are a observant fan.....answer is---- Behind the Music FEB 18 2001... MHO.....

Hey Rick, I think you hit the nail on the head with your answer. It all goes back to BTM!!

[jrnyman28]

Behind the music isn't what's divided the fans. There were already divisions, sadly.

There were by the simple act of replacing Perry. But I think BTM cemented those feelings and also created more polarity. Especially with comments like "Don't crack the stoen" and "I never really felt like part of the band."

[jrnyman28]

Hey Rick, one thing to keep in mind is that the question about using tapes on THIS tour seems to have been answered...Journey are not using tapes on THIS tour. The saddest part is that some people are startig to think it would be better if they did. The most recent review is down-right depressing to me. If this is true, Journey need to walk away for a while.

[KittyKat]

The shorter setlists on the DL tour and European festival shows may be why they thought they could do it. That hadn't occured to me before

[Marabelle]

wait a minute; people are suggesting that this goes back to BTM; how in the heck is BTM connected with what is going on now. It just seems to me that
people are trying to bring Steve Perry into this debacle. We are talking about Steve Augeri's voice. We're talking about the band not being entirely live.
This has nothing at all to do with Steve Perry. I'm a Perry fan and this has nothing to do with Perry versus Agueri. Now that's an argument people just
seem to want to make so they can somehow blame Steve Perry for Steve Augeri not being able to sing and causing a division between fans. Aren't there
just more obvious reasons that have absolutely nothing to do with Steve Perry

[Monker]

[qoute]
There were by the simple act of replacing Perry. But I think BTM cemented those feelings and also created more polarity. Especially with comments like "Don't crack the stoen" and "I never really felt like part of the band."
[/quote]

The division was already there...The BTM simply gave some ammo for the different sides...Don't forget the "Perry with a perm" type of comments either.

Even on the "old" BT, people would go round after round. Myself, Meanie, Towanda, LeadVocalz, etc...joined by many others. I remember Towanda posting her 'review' of Arrival doing nothing but comparing Augeri and Perry, saying he was trying to 'clone' Perry's vocals, etc...She eventualy went so ballistic she compared the forum to Nazi Germany...it was almost as bad as this place has been.

So, it division has always been there. Replacing Perry caused it...because in their fragile world, nobody can replace Perry.

[jrnyman28]

wait a minute; people are suggesting that this goes back to BTM; how in the heck is BTM connected with what is going on now. It just seems to me that
people are trying to bring Steve Perry into this debacle. We are talking about Steve Augeri's voice. We're talking about the band not being entirely live.
This has nothing at all to do with Steve Perry. I'm a Perry fan and this has nothing to do with Perry versus Agueri. Now that's an argument people just
seem to want to make so they can somehow blame Steve Perry for Steve Augeri not being able to sing and causing a division between fans. Aren't there
just more obvious reasons that have absolutely nothing to do with Steve Perry

No, it is only being suggested that BTM created the division in the fan base.

[whocares]

Marabelle, I suspect the idea of BTM being brought up was more to do with wanting to put more blame on Perry. To avoid what is going on now. I think that by the time the poster was finished in the thread earlier he might have changed his tune a bit, but I'm not speaking for him.

It's got nothing to do with BTM OR Perry.

[A Fire Inside]

wait a minute; people are suggesting that this goes back to BTM; how in the heck is BTM connected with what is going on now. It just seems to me that
people are trying to bring Steve Perry into this debacle. We are talking about Steve Augeri's voice. We're talking about the band not being entirely live.
This has nothing at all to do with Steve Perry. I'm a Perry fan and this has nothing to do with Perry versus Agueri. Now that's an argument people just
seem to want to make so they can somehow blame Steve Perry for Steve Augeri not being able to sing and causing a division between fans. Aren't there
just more obvious reasons that have absolutely nothing to do with Steve Perry

Actually I think what they may be referring to about BTM is the "don't crack the stone" controversy, because some people feel like Journey has dragged on too far in recent years and ruined their so-called "integrity". That's where BTM comes in, not Perry.

It just looks like that to me.