JSS was notified when??????

[zino]

When do you think JSS was called about the JOurney gig, one would think it had to be Before the awful night in Raliegh..., I wonder if he was in touch with Neal or somebody before hand and had him getting himself ready just in case something would happen to SA.


Ladies and gentlemen warming up in the bullpen. .....Jeff Scott Soto


With the breakup of SS makes you kindda think if something was in the works.

Can't wait till Monday should be a rockin show

[whocares]

If one wanted to think something was already up about replacing Augeri, one would suspect that there was a reason JSS wasn't out touring this summer. Not that I'm suggesting he was waiting for his plane ticket or anything.

[*Laura]

A power "car" like Journey always has a spare tyre…
We cannot be that naïve and believe that JSS got a call on Tuesday and fronted Journey on Friday,after a 10 minute rehearsal/sound-check.

Obviously,the band knew that the end was close.

[jrnysc]

With there being no full rehearsal, and only a ten minute sound check before the first show, I would have to believe it was done very recently.

[ohsherrie]

With there being no full rehearsal, and only a ten minute sound check before the first show, I would have to believe it was done very recently.

But, JSS would have had to have a set list to prepare for. He had to have had enough advance notice to warm up and rehearse the songs to a recorded track with the same click track that the band would be playing to. They wouldn't leave his premier concert with them to chance.

[heardonthestreet]

When do you think JSS was called about the JOurney gig, one would think it had to be Before the awful night in Raliegh..., I wonder if he was in touch with Neal or somebody before hand and had him getting himself ready just in case something would happen to SA.


Ladies and gentlemen warming up in the bullpen. .....Jeff Scott Soto


With the breakup of SS makes you kindda think if something was in the works.

Can't wait till Monday should be a rockin show

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I think that they planned on using the Journey name back when SS couldn't fly.

I still think that Deano was a means to an end. I think that someone who has been in constant contact with Journey started Dean on this, knowing his nature and they all are overjoyed that it probably went better than planned.


Set up, never had a better example set than what has transpired this last month, imo.

I could be wrong.

[ohsherrie]

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I think that they planned on using the Journey name back when SS couldn't fly.

I still think that Deano was a means to an end. I think that someone who has been in constant contact with Journey started Dean on this, knowing his nature and they all are overjoyed that it probably went better than planned.


Set up, never had a better example set than what has transpired this last month, imo.

I could be wrong.

Oh HOTS, great point! I think you could very well be right about the SS thing. They needed the Journey name to get the kind of attention they couldn't get with the SS name. You could also be right about the other stuff, but I'm glad it was exposed however it came about and I'm glad Dean did it. It would have taken someone with his passion and mouth to make the kind of noise that was needed.

[Citygirl]

I may be wrong, but I'd be willing to bet that Steve was probably gonna be replaced by Jeff anyway and this has either made it happen quicker/the whole thing me be a load of bollocks.

I also agree that Deano either has a connection with the band or knows someone who has a connection with the band and that there was an element of... ummm... a set up involved in this. Again, I could also be totally wrong... but my guess is there's been a lot going on the background.

Just for the record, I don't think he's coming back.

[EightyRock]

A setup? I think that Neal may have wanted JSS for a while now, but Cain didn't want him in. I'd bet on the theory that Augeri was paid for the remainder of the tour, got a nice severance and see ya later. dude. If all that has been alleged (MORE than tape-gate) has validity, they might have been afraid that more would come out. This was managements only way to save the tour and keep Schon & Cain from getting more negative press for pulling this on the fans. Management's priority is not going to be Augeri. It will be Schon, Cain, and their reputations...not to mention the money they AND management would lose if this continued. It was cut your losses time in Journeyland or make the remaining two golden geese look like some really snakey (and not to mention stupid) dudes. I thought Cain's last interview about integrity and legacy was timely, doncha think? Then all of a sudden, POOF, Augeri is history. Now they get a chance to redeem themselves with Soto and the notion that they tried all means available to keep Augeri, but alas, he just is in such dire condition that we have to "allow" him to heal...for an indefinite period of time. Ok, fine with me that you canned him, but where is the honesty in all this? When did you ever see them clam up like this before and during a MAJOR tour? They would have been promoting this to the hilt with interviews before and after shows, etc., if this was all as tidy as they'd have you believe. I don't see a "setup", just a big "tidy-up" after the shit hit the fan.

[ohsherrie]

A setup? I think that Neal may have wanted JSS for a while now, but Cain didn't want him in. I'd bet on the theory that Augeri was paid for the remainder of the tour, got a nice severance and see ya later. dude. If all that has been alleged (MORE than tape-gate) has validity, they might have been afraid that more would come out. This was managements only way to save the tour and keep Schon & Cain from getting more negative press for pulling this on the fans. Management's priority is not going to be Augeri. It will be Schon, Cain, and their reputations...not to mention the money they AND management would lose if this continued. It was cut your losses time in Journeyland or make the remaining two golden geese look like some really snakey (and not to mention stupid) dudes. I thought Cain's last interview about integrity and legacy was timely, doncha think? Then all of a sudden, POOF, Augeri is history. Now they get a chance to redeem themselves with Soto and the notion that they tried all means available to keep Augeri, but alas, he just is in such dire condition that we have to "allow" him to heal...for an indefinite period of time. Ok, fine with me that you canned him, but where is the honesty in all this? When did you ever see them clam up like this before and during a MAJOR tour? They would have been promoting this to the hilt with interviews before and after shows, etc., if this was all as tidy as they'd have you believe. I don't see a "setup", just a big "tidy-up" after the shit hit the fan.

You make a tremendous amounot of sense EightyRock. Let's try combining your theory with HOTS'S. Let's say Jon and Neal knew Augeri's voice was in serious trouble, but also knew a lot of their fans liked him and he was a known quantity to all involved, therefore the tapes. Let's also assume that Neal would rather have JSS, but Jon wouldn't. Management knows nothing about any of this because they're obviously not that involved anyway.

Now, Deano has been one of the most avid supporters of Augeri, Neal and this lineup that I've ever known. Then all of a sudden he turns on them, seemingly out of nowhere. He starts dropping hints that he knows of something damning and lets a few friends know about it in private. Then the board starts clammoring for answers and one of those friends leaks the info to the board(no bad on you Dave). Andrew doesn't want this discussed on his board because he supports the band, knows the people who post here and knows some of them won't accept it, so Dean starts the blog. Then there is no way to keep it off this board short of shutting it down, which Andrew did. Then Andrew realizes this NEEDS to be discussed so he opens it back up and asks people not to kill each other. (He does tend to treat the posters here like adults whether they act like it or not.)

All hell breaks loose and Deano's efforts force the band to do SOMETHING. Management by this time knows what's going on with Augeri and the tapes so they require that something be done to protect their interests. What better time for Neal to bring in JSS. He's miraculously prepared to take over on a couple day's notice ( ) and steps in and does a great performance. Augeri is out and JSS is in. (not that I think that's a bad thing mind you)

The question still remains, what made the light come on in Dean's mind that this was going on? I think that's where HOTS is coming from(forgive me if I'm wrong HOTS). I tend to think Dean was given some inside info and told to run with it, but again I'm not saying that's a bad thing. The end justifies the means. At least I hope so for Journey's sake.

[Greg]

So my question is, will the end result be such a bad thing? I guess I'm sort of partial to JSS because he's a great singer, songwriter..can play the piano and I think the guitar??? Either way, I think JSS does bring a huge dimension to this band that has been lacking for awhile. Don't get me wrong though, I really liked Augeri in the band and wished for a better departure for him than what he is getting....if this IS the end of Augeri fronted Journey.

[jrnyjetster]

Regardless of who did what, when, where, why and how..I still feel horrible about Augeri. I wish he would make a statement in his OWN words!

[ohsherrie]

So my question is, will the end result be such a bad thing? I guess I'm sort of partial to JSS because he's a great singer, songwriter..can play the piano and I think the guitar??? Either way, I think JSS does bring a huge dimension to this band that has been lacking for awhile. Don't get me wrong though, I really liked Augeri in the band and wished for a better departure for him than what he is getting....if this IS the end of Augeri fronted Journey.

I think the end really will justify the means. Whatever Dean's motivation he had the best interests of Journey in mind. He's too staunch a fan for anything other than that. I was just speculating in my post.

[ohsherrie]

:( Regardless of who did what, when, where, why and how..I still feel horrible about Augeri. I wish he would make a statement in his OWN words!

That would certainly help all of his fans Jetster. As a Perry fan I know how it feels to be in the dark, not understanding what really happened. I would also like to hear a statement from the band regarding the allegations. Even though they've got a new singer, the tapegate stigma is still there.

[yak]

I think the end really will justify the means. Whatever Dean's motivation he had the best interests of Journey in mind. He's too staunch a fan for anything other than that. I was just speculating in my post.

If there was a set up here...it was YOU...setting up "sugar."



Speculate? You? Not quite, my dear. You and you buddies have an agenda, and you always know exactly what you're doing...and sugar...and many others... know all about it...You will kiss any kind of butt you have to as long as you can get Journey discredited in the process.

[Greg]

So my question is, will the end result be such a bad thing? I guess I'm sort of partial to JSS because he's a great singer, songwriter..can play the piano and I think the guitar??? Either way, I think JSS does bring a huge dimension to this band that has been lacking for awhile. Don't get me wrong though, I really liked Augeri in the band and wished for a better departure for him than what he is getting....if this IS the end of Augeri fronted Journey.

I think the end really will justify the means. Whatever Dean's motivation he had the best interests of Journey in mind. He's too staunch a fan for anything other than that. I was just speculating in my post.

I agree. For me personally, if I didn't feel this was a positive move for the band, albeit maybe not done the "right way" I wouldn't support it.

[knox]

Journey learned a thing or two from Perry.

Just as they are hushed by contract from Perry to never say/write anything negative about him, or record songs credited to him without his approval, Augeri probably signed a hush contract as well.

Hence, we will probably NEVER hear from him about this, unless it is a pre-written statement from Journey given to him to release.





Man, what I wouldn't give to have an honest Behind The Music on all of this.


We will never officially know the truth. However, the only thing that makes sense to me is what Dean has been suggesting and providing bootlegs of all along.

[amaron]

So my question is, will the end result be such a bad thing? I guess I'm sort of partial to JSS because he's a great singer, songwriter..can play the piano and I think the guitar??? Either way, I think JSS does bring a huge dimension to this band that has been lacking for awhile. Don't get me wrong though, I really liked Augeri in the band and wished for a better departure for him than what he is getting....if this IS the end of Augeri fronted Journey.

I think the end really will justify the means. Whatever Dean's motivation he had the best interests of Journey in mind. He's too staunch a fan for anything other than that. I was just speculating in my post.

I agree. For me personally, if I didn't feel this was a positive move for the band, albeit maybe not done the "right way" I wouldn't support it.

That's why I was hoping for some boots. I really would like to hear him sing the songs before I make a decision or judgement.

[Abitaman]

From the way Augeri acted his last night on Stage, I would guess JSS was on call. Augeri knew he was done for the tour (hopefully he will be back), but JSS had time to learn the songs. Maybe at the very beginning of the tour JSS knew if Augeri went down he was in-ERIC

[swepett]

JSS had time to learn the songs.

JSS has said numerous times that he is a big Journey fan and how much they have influenced him. I am sure he knew most songs already before he got involved with Neal in SS.

[Marabelle]

i think jss was waiting in the wings; kind of like an understudy. glad he was able to take the mike and sing lead. he already seemed to have had auditioned with neal while in soul sirkus. honestly, i think he will do great. he is just so righteous and spicy.

[Abitaman]

JSS had time to learn the songs.

JSS has said numerous times that he is a big Journey fan and how much they have influenced him. I am sure he knew most songs already before he got involved with Neal in SS.

I konw a bunch of Journey songs too, but to sing a set of songs, you gotta have some readiness-ERIC

[NealIsGod]

JSS had time to learn the songs.

JSS has said numerous times that he is a big Journey fan and how much they have influenced him. I am sure he knew most songs already before he got involved with Neal in SS.

I konw a bunch of Journey songs too, but to sing a set of songs, you gotta have some readiness-ERIC

JSS is a pro. He could probably walk in a do a set with Aerosmith with 5 mins. warning.

[swepett]

JSS had time to learn the songs.

JSS has said numerous times that he is a big Journey fan and how much they have influenced him. I am sure he knew most songs already before he got involved with Neal in SS.

I konw a bunch of Journey songs too, but to sing a set of songs, you gotta have some readiness-ERIC

Are you also a professional singer with over 20 years in the business?

[JrnySuxBalls]

From the way Augeri acted his last night on Stage, I would guess JSS was on call. Augeri knew he was done for the tour (hopefully he will be back), but JSS had time to learn the songs. Maybe at the very beginning of the tour JSS knew if Augeri went down he was in-ERIC

That's quite possible. I hope JSS was on retainer.

[Kaj]

.........."contracts and lawyers,champagne downtown"........

JSS certainly must have known about this for a while before he joined the band
coz he´s got a schedule as well with studio recordings,gigs and other stuff so Neal
could be sure JSS would join the circus for 3 months.
At least now,the audience is paying for a real live concert.

[Abitaman]

JSS had time to learn the songs.

JSS has said numerous times that he is a big Journey fan and how much they have influenced him. I am sure he knew most songs already before he got involved with Neal in SS.

I konw a bunch of Journey songs too, but to sing a set of songs, you gotta have some readiness-ERIC

Are you also a professional singer with over 20 years in the business?

No, are you? If you are can think you could pull this off fine...I do not know JSS, maybe he could pull Aerosmith off in 5 minutes. Just seems to me someone would want practice and get to know the material.
Saw Jimi Jamison a couple times in Dyersburg, he did karaoke one night, no practice, songs he knew too, did he nail it all? No, he did good, but practice makes perfect as they say.-ERIC

[Rockindeano]

.........."contracts and lawyers,champagne downtown"........

JSS certainly must have known about this for a while before he joined the band
coz he´s got a schedule as well with studio recordings,gigs and other stuff so Neal
could be sure JSS would join the circus for 3 months.
At least now,the audience is paying for a real live concert.

Live show? I thought you said "The tape revelation didn't have any cred?" Maybe I am a little off on this, but didn't you say that it wasn't true after all? Just curious.

[knox]

I am in the camp that thinks this has been several weeks, possibly months, in the making.

As stated previously, there are contracts, financial matters, attorneys, scheduling, etc... to consider. Though I have no doubt that Jeff could merely step in at a moment's notice, I believe he has been rehearsing on his own for a while.

My question is When did they tell Augeri he was out? How much did they pay him to be quiet? We may never know the answer to the first one, and certainly will never know the answer to the second one.

Oh, and make no mistake - there will be NO DALLAS dvd released this December. If there is, I will personally send everyone on this board magic fairy dust to make all your wishes come true.

[swepett]

Just seems to me someone would want practice and get to know the material.

In a perfect world, yes. I bet both Journey and JSS would like that too. I'm just saying that I don't doubt for a second that JSS could pull this off with one day of rehearsal and ten minutes of sound check or whatever it was. Or with close to no preparation at all if needed. What do we know, maybe they were locked up somewhere from early morning the day of the first JSS tour playing their socks off?